05:03:58 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:03:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 21 05:03:58 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:04:03 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:04:19 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:04:28 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-04-21
05:04:53 <juhp> hi
05:05:03 <paragan> hi
05:05:19 <dueno> hi
05:05:41 <fujiwarat> hi
05:05:50 <epico_laptop> hi
05:06:04 <tagoh> hi guys
05:07:14 <tagoh> ok, let's get started then
05:07:19 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:08:10 <tagoh> f15 beta has been released. next milestone would be "Final Change Deadline" on May 9.
05:09:27 <tagoh> 24 bugs open, including 17 new and 2 blockers proposed
05:10:22 <tagoh> any concerns so far?
05:11:19 <tagoh> particularly if there are any issues not yet filed
05:12:00 <juhp> I haven't actually tried the beta, but current f15 live looks reasonably good :)
05:12:12 <tagoh> good
05:14:39 <juhp> any bugs?
05:15:23 <dingyichen> I do find some kickstart bugs for F-14 though. :-P
05:16:59 <tagoh> similar issue though, no im-chooser-gnome3 on upgrading. not a big deal but just wonder if I should get back im-chooser.desktop for everyone - it's hidden for gnome desktop so far because of dup with cc module
05:18:31 <tagoh> dingyichen: does it also happen on f15?
05:18:32 <juhp> hmm
05:18:54 <juhp> tagoh: so no way to pull in im-chooser-gnome3?
05:19:36 <tagoh> with anaconda yeah. no packages has deps to it
05:19:56 <dingyichen> tagoh, well, one for RHEL6 ksflatten, and one for Fedora14 repo
05:20:07 <tagoh> upgrading with yum should simply works though
05:20:26 <tagoh> dingyichen: we are on f15 topic now :)
05:20:36 <dingyichen> ok.
05:22:49 <tagoh> hm, any idea? :)
05:23:07 <juhp> tagoh: how about the idea we discussed last week?
05:23:11 <juhp> ibus-gtk3?
05:23:55 <juhp> of course strictly a gtk immodule should not need to pull in im-chooser...
05:24:51 <tagoh> hm, well, this isn't so critical since im-chooser itself is there on even upgrading. it doesn't just appear on the menu on gnome3 now
05:25:06 <juhp> right yeah
05:25:13 <juhp> still would be nice to have it there
05:25:20 <tagoh> yep
05:25:37 <juhp> or should control-center pull it in?
05:25:42 <juhp> or something
05:25:54 <tagoh> aha
05:25:55 <juhp> well anyway - maybe there is nothing to do dunno
05:26:52 <tagoh> that somewhat sounds reasonable
05:27:35 <juhp> (don't really like the split of kbd setting across "Keyboard" and "Region and Language" but that is another story)
05:28:12 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:29:33 <tagoh> let me try to file a bug against cc
05:34:04 <tagoh> ok, guess better move on
05:34:13 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:35:16 <tagoh> mozc and vlgothic-fonts are in testing now
05:35:20 <juhp> aha
05:35:43 <tagoh> mozc seems supporting handwriting in this release
05:35:57 <juhp> nice
05:36:20 <tagoh> referring the model file in zinnia-tomoe
05:37:14 <juhp> tagoh: optional package?
05:37:25 <tagoh> no
05:38:26 <tagoh> "mozc" requires zinnia-tomoe for that
05:38:28 <tagoh> now
05:39:02 <juhp> the fedora package? :)
05:39:19 <tagoh> because no separate binary but mozc_tool contains all the features for UI-wise
05:40:29 <tagoh> building without zinnia may simply drops the feature but dunno didn't try that :)
05:40:48 <tagoh> apparently it's ifdef'd in the source code though
05:41:12 <juhp> was trying to say that one has to install zinnia-tomoe as well
05:41:18 <tagoh> yes
05:41:34 <juhp> so in that sense it is optional :)
05:41:39 <tagoh> s/"mozc"/"mozc" package/
05:42:55 <tagoh> no choice to drop it unless rebuild the package so far anyway..
05:43:10 <juhp> yeah but choice not to install it :)
05:43:32 <tagoh> no wonder. it's not a default IM :)
05:43:47 <juhp> I am talking about zinnia-tomoe
05:44:13 <juhp> ah maybe I am installing an older build?
05:44:27 <juhp> it pulled in zinnia though
05:44:44 <juhp> anyway... not that important - it was just a comment
05:44:50 <tagoh> handwriting doesn't work properly on -0.1
05:45:06 <tagoh> -0.2 is the latest, which requires zinnia-tomoe now
05:45:17 <tagoh> also fixing the model file path too
05:45:37 <juhp> ah ok I see
05:45:40 <juhp> cool
05:45:49 <tagoh> anyway
05:45:51 <juhp> that's explains all then :)
05:45:57 <tagoh> anything else?
05:46:20 <juhp> look forward to trying that then
05:46:39 <tagoh> juhp: sorry for confusion. pushing updated mozc twice for that
05:46:53 <juhp> np
05:47:35 <tagoh> if no particular updates for testing, shall we move on then?
05:47:57 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:48:34 <tagoh> 40 bugs open, including 23 bugs in new status and 1 new release
05:50:46 <juhp> I don't like to say but I think the ibus-mozc icon is better than ibus-anthy's - that was the kind of simple icon I had in mind with just an あ say
05:51:36 <juhp> maybe with gnome3 would be a good time to revisit icons - but I think fujiwarat has some plans for unifying with the keyboard indicator that may help there :)
05:52:17 <tagoh> aha
05:53:15 <tagoh> any updates on IM?
05:55:19 <fujiwarat> updated ibus is now in update-testing repository.
05:55:27 <tagoh> cool
05:55:50 <tagoh> will try for some testing :)
05:56:49 <tagoh> dueno, epico_laptop: do you have anything on IM?
05:58:37 <juhp> paragan: any testing feedback for the updated inscript maps yet?
06:00:39 <dueno> tagoh, fujiwarat kindly figured out the cause of ibus-m17n crash on F-14, and I'll submit an update soon
06:01:07 <tagoh> cool
06:01:30 <epico_laptop> tagoh: I get new review comments from upstream for ibus-pinyin English input mode.
06:01:49 <tagoh> aha
06:02:26 <tagoh> how was it?
06:03:17 <epico_laptop> still code styles changes, and make that feature configurable in ibus-pinyin.
06:03:53 <tagoh> ok
06:05:15 <tagoh> ok, let's move on
06:05:23 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:05:56 <tagoh> 33+32 bugs open, including 23+17 bugs in new and 3+1 new releases
06:06:50 <tagoh> hm, maybe I should file a bug for motoya fonts instead of the original reporter
06:07:59 <paragan> juhp, no feedback yet on inscript maps
06:08:21 <paragan> but they are working fine with rupee symbol
06:09:37 <juhp> ok
06:09:47 <tagoh> .bug 695405
06:09:49 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 695405 non-latin charachters in default gnome-shell looks different from the cantarell - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695405
06:10:04 <tagoh> better checking that I suppose
06:11:21 <juhp> tagoh: is it related to motoya?
06:11:32 <tagoh> no, not at all
06:12:50 <juhp> ah ok
06:13:03 <tagoh> just looking at bugs :)
06:13:07 <juhp> ok
06:13:55 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
06:15:50 <tagoh> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
06:17:26 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:17:30 <tagoh> #endmeeting