20:03:06 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-04-20
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20:03:44 <shaiton> hi guys
20:04:13 <cwickert> rsc_, ardian, jenskuehnel, biertie, cassmodiah, heffer, ixs, kital, : ping, ambassadors meeting is about to start
20:04:23 <jenskuehnel> pong, Hi all
20:05:01 <ardian> hi
20:05:08 <fcrippa> hi
20:05:12 * cwickert suggests to wait a little until people have shown up
20:06:02 <cwickert> ardian: I sent the latter again today, this time as certified mail to make sure it arrives
20:06:26 <ardian> cwickert, awesome
20:06:32 <cwickert> ardian: please let me know when it arrives
20:06:35 <ardian> you sent it to the second address I gave you right ?
20:07:03 <ardian> brb for 1 min
20:09:21 * delhage is present
20:10:40 <cwickert> ok, lets start
20:10:55 <cwickert> #topic roll call
20:10:59 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:11:03 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:11:24 * shaiton - Kévin Raymond
20:11:33 <jenskuehnel> .fas jens
20:11:34 <zodbot> jenskuehnel: jens '' <bugzilla-redhat@jens.kuehnel.org> - jfoechsler 'Jens Falsmar Oechsler' <joe@devzero.dk> - jenna4fed 'Jens Hindenberg' <jens@hi-berg.de> - silentbob '' <sjensen@versanet.de> - bjensen 'Robert 'Bob' Jensen' <bob@fedoraunity.org> - refractal 'jensen werth' <refractal@gmail.com> - lindhardt 'Jens Lindhardt' <jens@familien-lindhardt.dk> - mrfloppy 'Jens-Uwe Peter' <jens.uwe@gmx.net> - staalmannen (2 more messages)
20:12:23 <fcrippa> Francesco Crippa
20:12:42 <jenskuehnel> Jens Kuehnel
20:13:00 <delhage> Lars Delhage
20:14:10 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:14:10 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:14:25 <cwickert> ok, thanks everybody for coming
20:14:35 <cwickert> todays agenda can be found at
20:14:37 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-04-20
20:14:57 <cwickert> it is pretty much business as usual, so lets make this a quick meeting
20:15:15 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:15:41 <cwickert> FAmSCo has released their monthly report today
20:15:51 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2011-03
20:15:59 <ardian> .fas ardian
20:15:59 <zodbot> ardian: ardian 'Ardian Haxha' <ardian.haxha@gmail.com> - gunma 'Mardian Gunawan' <gunawanmardian@gmail.com> - guardian 'Stephan Kürpick' <guard@gmx.net> - rmsc 'Renato Caldas' <seventhguardian@gmail.com> - dansguardian 'Dansguardian' <dansguardian@linuxmail.org>
20:16:15 <cwickert> ok, anything more to announce?
20:17:20 <cwickert> ok, it seems there are no more announcements
20:17:32 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:17:39 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:17:47 <cwickert> have a look at the schedule please
20:18:26 <cwickert> rbergeron: is the ambassadors schedule up to date and does it already include the 2 weeks of delay?
20:18:46 <cwickert> items 1-7 are already sorted out
20:19:05 <cwickert> important for us are 9-11 now
20:19:17 <cwickert> 9 is FAmSCo Coordinate Media/Swag/Poster artwork with Design team
20:19:25 <cwickert> I have no idea what has happened so far
20:19:41 <cwickert> but I don't expect it to be that complicated
20:19:51 <cwickert> the design team will provide artwork
20:20:08 <cwickert> and the multi-desktop spin was submitted to design teams track already
20:20:15 <cwickert> but so far nothing has happened
20:20:24 <cwickert> if they don't do it, we do it ourselves
20:20:38 <t2hot> ?
20:20:38 <cwickert> by taking the existing designs and modifying them a little
20:20:49 <cwickert> t2hot: yes please
20:20:58 <rbergeron> cwickert: yes, it is up to date
20:21:15 <cwickert> thanks rbergeron
20:21:52 <t2hot> Please can you give a lead to the ticket (number?).
20:22:14 <t2hot> eof
20:22:44 <cwickert> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/170
20:22:47 <cwickert> there it is
20:23:04 <cwickert> rbergeron: do you know if this is on the design team's schedule?
20:23:41 * rbergeron looks
20:24:02 <cwickert> there is an item for media art, but is there a list for what is required?
20:24:33 <cwickert> media art is item 30 in the design team's schedule
20:24:42 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-design-tasks.html
20:24:53 <rbergeron> yes
20:25:03 <cwickert> it has started this week and will continue for 2 more weeks
20:25:11 <cwickert> so everything should be fine
20:25:26 <cwickert> rbergeron: what does 'yes' mean? there is a list?
20:25:39 * rbergeron would like to note one thing - I know that *in the past* - there was a "not quite published but was requested" deadline for having "spin artwork requests" be ... ah, I forget when
20:25:48 <rbergeron> cwickert: the yes was to your first question, sorry, i missed your second one
20:25:55 <rbergeron> but to continue, then i'll answer:
20:26:21 <rbergeron> I want to say it was right around spin submission deadline. I don't know if that's going to be an issue, i know there was previously talks of "not enough time if X or Y," i don't know if that's still in effect.
20:26:28 <rbergeron> Or if you're planning on using the standard artwork, or whatever.
20:26:33 <cwickert> rbergeron: new spins must be submitted by alpha
20:26:54 <rbergeron> cwickert: I meant the artwork request for spins/new spins
20:26:59 <cwickert> same
20:27:03 * rbergeron nods
20:27:13 <cwickert> this is what the board has decided
20:27:23 <rbergeron> I don't know how this is categorized, or when this ticket was opened
20:27:24 * rbergeron looks
20:27:26 <rbergeron> oh, this is fine
20:27:50 <rbergeron> but, from what i recall, I think there was an element of "just because you request it doesn't mean we can fulfill it". i odn' tknow if that has changed.
20:28:05 <rbergeron> So just to reiterate that discussion.
20:28:06 <cwickert> yeah, it is basically
20:28:06 <rbergeron> :)
20:28:16 <rbergeron> regarding a "list":
20:28:24 <cwickert> "you can put whatever you want into our trac but we cannot guarantee we do it"
20:28:40 <rbergeron> of what is required - I honestly have *no* idea if they have one.
20:29:23 <cwickert> ok, then lets not try to figure that out here
20:29:32 <cwickert> but do ambassadors stuff instead
20:30:05 <cwickert> what is important for us is item #12 "Release Event Submission Deadline"
20:30:11 <cwickert> which is in 2 days
20:30:26 <cwickert> so if you want to do a F15 release event, submit it NOW
20:30:43 <shaiton> what this really mean?..
20:31:04 <cwickert> #info F15 release event submissin deadline is 2011-04-22, this is in 2 days. if you want to do a F15 release event, submit it NOW
20:31:15 <shaiton> this has nothing with the preview swag ordering?
20:31:23 <cwickert> shaiton: add it to the wiki and announce it on the mailing list
20:31:29 <shaiton> ohhh
20:31:36 <shaiton> I knew about the wiki
20:31:43 <shaiton> but never announce events before..
20:31:46 <shaiton> nice to know ;)
20:31:50 <shaiton> alright
20:32:02 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_Fedora_event
20:32:16 <cwickert> shaiton: swag is another issue
20:32:32 <shaiton> "It's a good idea to send an announcement to the" that's not mandatory :)
20:32:39 <shaiton> By I like this idea
20:32:40 <cwickert> I'm afraid there will not be much swag until the credit card questions are sorted out
20:32:49 <shaiton> I was thinking of that
20:32:50 <shaiton> sure
20:32:56 <shaiton> (eof for me...)
20:33:16 <cwickert> #action cwickert to write a reminder about the release events to the ambassadors list
20:33:34 <cwickert> ok, that's pretty much all for schedule
20:33:37 <cwickert> any questions?
20:34:07 <cwickert> ok, no questions
20:34:12 <cwickert> #topic F15 Media production
20:34:16 <cwickert> just a quick update
20:34:26 <cwickert> not much new there
20:34:55 <cwickert> but we fixed the issues with isolinux and the multi-desktop dvd script
20:35:15 <jsmith> Happy news!
20:35:28 <jsmith> cwickert: Can you point me to details later?
20:35:31 * t2hot ... that's great
20:35:38 <cwickert> this means we *should* have the dual layer media
20:35:44 <ardian> that's great
20:35:55 <cwickert> jsmith: there are still issues to solve but I am optimistic
20:36:02 <cwickert> thanks to spot for his work
20:36:13 <cwickert> I will continue to work with him but I was rather busy
20:36:28 <cwickert> but I don't see much obstacles for the media
20:36:31 <cwickert> moving on...
20:36:39 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:36:53 <cwickert> ok, the biggest event to come is Linux_tag
20:37:12 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxTag_2011
20:37:23 <cwickert> everything is in good shape
20:37:31 <cwickert> I have ordered the furniture for the booth
20:37:37 <cwickert> and the hotel is booked
20:37:57 <cwickert> if anybody still wants to attend, please do so and add yourself to the wiki
20:38:04 <cwickert> local people are preferred
20:38:21 <cwickert> this means people who speak German and don't need to travel that much
20:38:25 <ardian> cwickert, can you send me later the hotel address ?
20:38:49 <cwickert> sure, ardian
20:39:09 <ardian> thanks
20:39:16 <cwickert> any questions about Linuxtag?
20:39:24 <cwickert> I will update the wiki page
20:39:32 <cwickert> and add the hotel info there
20:39:50 <cwickert> #action cwickert to update the Linux-Tag wiki page with status and hotel information
20:40:00 <ardian> cwickert, can I ask you a question
20:40:18 <cwickert> ardian: sure
20:40:26 <ardian> It's the first time that I attend to a such big event, will we have a presentation ?
20:41:06 <cwickert> ardian: I will give a talk about Fedora on Saturdday
20:41:15 <cwickert> and we will have a booth and show Fedora there
20:41:28 <ardian> good
20:41:32 <cwickert> the booth is located in hall 7.2 b next to CentOS
20:41:39 <cwickert> but I will add all that to the wiki
20:41:45 <cwickert> any more events
20:41:46 <cwickert> ?
20:41:49 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY12_Q1_.28March_2011_-_May_2011.29_2
20:42:01 <fcrippa> !
20:42:07 <fcrippa> FUDCon ;-)
20:42:47 <cwickert> fcrippa: go ahead...
20:42:50 <fcrippa> we have to decide the official date
20:43:17 <fcrippa> ...and before that we have to decide the "season"
20:43:26 <fcrippa> (summer/autumn)
20:43:35 <cwickert> fcrippa: when is the best weather in Milan?
20:43:57 <fcrippa> well, from june to october is always good
20:44:15 <cwickert> #undo
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20:44:21 <fcrippa> june/july could be boling
20:44:27 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#FY12_Q1_.28March_2011_-_May_2011.29_3
20:45:17 <cwickert> fcrippa: so who is to decide about this?
20:45:34 <fcrippa> good question
20:45:39 <fcrippa> I can make a proposal
20:45:43 <gentt> .fas gentt
20:45:43 <zodbot> gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' <gentthaqi@gmail.com>
20:46:14 <fcrippa> but would be better to get some feedback from someone (guys from Brno, for example...)
20:46:37 <fcrippa> and we really have to decide the date asap
20:46:39 <cwickert> fcrippa: can you send a message to the mailing list?
20:46:45 <fcrippa> of course
20:46:56 <cwickert> and not only to ambassadors list but to fedora-devel and so on please
20:47:15 <fcrippa> I'm going also to setup a specific meeting for FUDCon emea
20:47:19 <cwickert> #action fcrippa to send a mail about further FUDCon Milan planning to all relevant mailing lists
20:47:29 <fcrippa> +1
20:47:39 <fcrippa> eof
20:47:42 <jsmith> Thanks fcrippa :-)
20:47:52 <cwickert> #info fcrippa will hold an irc meeting on FUDCon EMEA
20:48:03 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all for FUDCon for now
20:48:13 <cwickert> we have some more events coming up
20:48:15 <shaiton> !
20:48:56 <cwickert> Zoltan will take care of Linuxwochen Wien 2011 on May 7th and 8th
20:49:15 <cwickert> Pierros will do Fosscomm 2011 at the same date
20:49:37 <cwickert> and right next to Linux-Tag there will be Solutions Linux in Paris
20:49:43 <cwickert> which is a HUGE event
20:49:48 <shaiton> and everyone is welcome :)
20:50:02 <cwickert> but I don't know much about it because the french do everything on their own
20:50:09 <shaiton> wow
20:50:13 <shaiton> here I am cwickert :)
20:50:25 <cwickert> #info Zoltan will take care of Linuxwochen Wien 2011 on May 7th and 8th, Pierros will do Fosscomm 2011 at the same date
20:50:34 <cwickert> shaiton: ah, right it was you :)
20:50:44 <cwickert> shaiton: ok, you have the media, right?
20:50:44 <shaiton> (but I agree, we are present on ML but not really at those meetings, since bochecha has left)
20:50:51 <cwickert> anything you still need?
20:51:07 <shaiton> nope, thanks we have everythings
20:51:12 <cwickert> ok
20:51:25 <cwickert> AFAICS all events aer excellently taken care of
20:51:32 <cwickert> everybody has media and all that
20:51:37 <cwickert> we only have little swag
20:51:59 <cwickert> but there is not much we can do about it until we have money / credit cards
20:52:08 <cwickert> ok. back to events
20:52:23 <cwickert> we had our first event in the Czech republic last weekend
20:52:32 <cwickert> thanks to our friends from Brno
20:52:39 <cwickert> it was Open Source Conference/LinuxExpo 2011 in Prague
20:52:50 <cwickert> #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/linuxexpo-prague-2011/
20:53:02 <cwickert> there is an event report and here are some pictures
20:53:09 <cwickert> #link http://my.opera.com/Sesivany/albums/show.dml?id=6938492
20:53:17 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all for events
20:53:43 <cwickert> #info remember, when you have an event, please blog about it, tweet about it, do what you can and make some noise
20:53:49 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
20:53:57 <shaiton> !
20:54:00 <cwickert> anything that we should discuss?
20:54:04 <cwickert> shaiton: your turn
20:54:11 <shaiton> couldn't we have only one agenda meeting page?
20:54:23 <shaiton> it's a wiki... easy to find old agenda...
20:54:41 <shaiton> it always take time to find the right link
20:55:00 <shaiton> (yes, we can wait for the reminder, but that give you mmore work)
20:55:03 <shaiton> eof
20:55:24 <shaiton> like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassador
20:55:26 <cwickert> shaiton: try http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings
20:55:47 <cwickert> is this what you are looking for?
20:55:53 <shaiton> not really
20:56:03 <cwickert> I want that page to be based on categories
20:56:12 <cwickert> so it adds the meeting minutes automatically
20:56:21 <shaiton> I mean, replacing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2xxx_xx_xx by wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors
20:56:23 <cwickert> if someone can do this, he is welcome
20:56:44 <cwickert> -1, I think we need old meeting pages
20:56:54 <shaiton> but using the wiki history
20:56:57 <shaiton> we have them
20:57:27 <shaiton> but ok, that's not so important for me ;)
20:58:01 <cwickert> IHMO we should just use trac for this
20:58:35 <cwickert> you file a ticket, the person holding the meeting adds the keyword "meeting" and then you have a report for all tickets with that keyword
20:58:39 <cwickert> and this is your agenda
20:58:55 <cwickert> if something is not solved, it will automatically be discussed again next week
20:59:04 <cwickert> s/next week/next meeting
20:59:38 <cwickert> #info we should think about more efficient meeting pages, either in trac or in the wiki
20:59:46 <cwickert> propsals welcome
20:59:57 <cwickert> anything else?
21:00:11 <shaiton> fine for me
21:00:27 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if nobody has anything on his mind
21:00:33 <t2hot> ?
21:00:40 <cwickert> go ahead t2hot
21:01:33 <t2hot> Anything on the design specs required by the media printers (for the Design Team)?
21:01:52 <t2hot> eof
21:01:58 <cwickert> t2hot: nope, thanks for the reminder
21:02:15 <cwickert> #action cwickert to contact media company again on the specs for media art
21:03:19 <cwickert> #topic previous action items
21:03:30 <cwickert> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-06/fedora-meeting.2011-04-06-20.06.html
21:03:33 <ardian> I guess we are done, thanks
21:03:41 <cwickert> I am just looking at the old action items
21:03:45 <cwickert> and some are still open
21:03:54 <cwickert> t2hot: did you add your events to the meeting?
21:04:00 <cwickert> s/meeting/wiki
21:04:32 * cwickert has not yet received any buttons from pierros
21:04:58 <cwickert> and I guess arthur has not added his events either :(
21:05:00 <t2hot> cwickert, no ... because the target audience are not ready (school on recess).  Will update wiki when I hear from NIA
21:05:09 <cwickert> ok t2hot
21:05:26 <cwickert> #info please take care of the action items you take over. thanks"
21:05:33 <cwickert> ok, I think we are done then
21:05:42 <cwickert> thanks everybody for coming
21:05:45 <cwickert> #endmeeting