15:03:58 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-04-05
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15:04:16 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig
15:04:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:04:26 <jreznik> #topic roll call
15:04:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:04:35 * rnovacek here
15:04:38 <jreznik> who's present today?
15:04:43 * ltinkl here
15:05:22 * than present
15:05:55 <jreznik> #topic agenda
15:06:11 <jreznik> meeting page does not exists yet - creating
15:10:31 <jreznik> page created
15:10:37 <jreznik> one topic - kbluetooth in F14
15:11:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe also the other regressions (Akonadi, kdepim offline mode), but I'm not sure we have much to discuss for those.
15:12:03 <Kevin_Kofler> 4.6.2 should also be a topic.
15:12:24 <than> Kevin_Kofler: added
15:14:10 <jreznik> anything else?
15:15:12 <jreznik> ok, let's start - we can add it later
15:15:31 <jreznik> #topic kbluetooth + f14
15:16:05 <jreznik> it's going to be quick - rebuild is not enough - solid/control/bluetoothinterface.h is missing
15:16:24 <jreznik> so we have to go with bluedevil - it's a big change but 4.6 is either
15:16:47 <jreznik> current libbluedevil is in updates-testing
15:16:51 <jreznik> (for F14)
15:17:20 <Kevin_Kofler> We'd have to readd that solid-bluetooth code from 4.5 if we want to stick with KBluetooth.
15:17:24 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm for going with BlueDevil.
15:17:43 <ltinkl> yup, go with BD
15:17:49 <rnovacek> yes, +1 for bluedevil
15:18:02 <jreznik> yes, or we can readd the code for kbt
15:18:30 <jreznik> but I'm not sure it's worth doing it - I'd say no for F14 and 4.5 but with 4.6 update...
15:18:34 <than> jreznik: it's not worth readding the code
15:18:59 <than> we just replace kbl by bluedevil
15:19:13 <jreznik> BD is in a good shape (using it with F14, yesterday I found one very annoying bug, I have to report it)
15:19:29 <jreznik> so I'm +1
15:20:11 <than> jreznik: is the bluedevil in f14 update testing ?
15:21:21 <jreznik> than: no, only libbluedevil
15:21:40 <jreznik> (it was easier for rdieter to build bluedevil for kde-redhat f14)
15:23:57 <jreznik> we didn't build it for F14 because it obsoletes kbluetooth
15:24:37 <jreznik> looks like it's clear to go with BD for F14
15:24:54 <than> jreznik: i think we should build it in koji for f14
15:25:23 <than> and push it into update-testing
15:25:26 <jreznik> #info kbluetooth is broken in F14 KDE 4.6.1 update due to missing Solid::Control Bluetooth Interface
15:25:37 <jreznik> than: it should be bundled in 4.6.1 update
15:26:02 <jreznik> #agreed KDE-SIG agreed to replace KBluetooth by BlueDevil
15:26:14 <Kevin_Kofler> It's too late to add it to the 4.6.1 update because the 4.6.1 update is already stable.
15:26:23 <Kevin_Kofler> We need to push it separately, ASAP because kbluetooth is broken now.
15:26:26 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: ops, sorry
15:26:54 <than> yes, it should be separately
15:26:56 * jreznik has broken internal timer...
15:27:00 <Kevin_Kofler> We should build it ASAP, separately from 4.6.2, so it can go out first.
15:27:09 <jreznik> indeed
15:27:09 <than> Kevin_Kofler: +1
15:27:29 <jreznik> #info Latest libbluedevil already in updates-testing
15:28:13 <jreznik> #action jreznik to build bluedevil for F14 ASAP a push it separately from 4.6.2 as 4.6.1 is already in -stable
15:28:31 <Kevin_Kofler> So do we have any info for the Akonadi/PIM-related regressions?
15:28:52 <Kevin_Kofler> Akonadi hanging for some folks really sucks, but we don't have sufficient info to fix it. :-(
15:29:00 <jreznik> #topic Akonadi/PIM-related regressions
15:29:24 <Kevin_Kofler> And this "offline is not offline" bug that got filed today is weird.
15:29:30 <Kevin_Kofler> kdepim did not change, only kdepimlibs.
15:30:01 <than> do we have bugzilla number for this issue?
15:30:20 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693637
15:32:55 <than> i will try to reproduce this bug later
15:33:34 <than> we have to report it to kde bugzilla
15:34:24 <jreznik> it works for sending mails
15:34:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Yes, it needs to be reported upstream.
15:34:53 <jreznik> waiting for periodic check
15:36:14 <than> i will report it to KDE upstream
15:37:25 <jreznik> I'm not sure I can reproduce it - I set check every 1 minute, went offline and I see no checks at all
15:38:26 <ltinkl> the akonadi fix is here: http://commits.kde.org/kdepim/cfa404b7188e4c26bddbc9579728f6d25f8cd214
15:38:34 <ltinkl> committed today into kdepim/4.4 branch
15:38:47 <jreznik> let's skip it now - we can talk about it later (after someone really reproduce it)
15:39:25 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: Good news, can we build a kdepim update with this?
15:39:31 <ltinkl> yup
15:39:50 <than> ltinkl: can you please take care of it?
15:39:54 <jreznik> #info "offline not offline" bug regression in 4.6.1 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693637
15:39:56 <ltinkl> it was even discussed on kde-core-devel, Stephen Kelly advised distros to checrrypick that commit
15:40:07 <jreznik> #info ltinkl found commit to fix Akonadi issues
15:40:32 * ltinkl finds the kde.core.devel ML entry
15:40:50 <ltinkl> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=130200635713834&w=2
15:41:01 <ltinkl> details there ^^
15:41:12 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, please build for F14 and F15 ASAP and try to get this out ASAP.
15:41:24 <ltinkl> I will take care of that
15:41:30 <than> ltinkl: thanks
15:41:39 <Kevin_Kofler> Great, thanks!
15:42:46 <jreznik> #action ltinkl to take care about the Akanadi issues ASAP for both F14 & F15
15:42:51 <Kevin_Kofler> For the "offline is not offline" issue, I guess we don't have enough info to discuss this yet.
15:43:05 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep, let's skip it - but I can't reproduce it
15:43:12 <jreznik> (now)
15:43:17 <jreznik> #topic 4.6.2
15:45:51 <Kevin_Kofler> 4.6.2 has been prereleased to packagers.
15:45:56 <Kevin_Kofler> We should start working on packaging it.
15:46:19 <than> i will take care of the 4.6.2 for f16
15:46:21 <jreznik> any taker?
15:46:30 <jreznik> than: I can help you tmrw
15:46:41 <than> jreznik: great, thanks
15:46:49 <Kevin_Kofler> Once we got this built in Rawhide, we need it built for F14 and F15 too.
15:46:50 * jreznik hopes not to be sick
15:47:06 <Kevin_Kofler> Hopefully we'll be able to get it into F15 Final.
15:47:13 <Kevin_Kofler> (It's too late for Beta.)
15:47:18 <jreznik> #info 4.6.2 has been prereleased to packagers
15:47:39 <jreznik> #action than and jreznik to work in rawhide update + f14 & f15 builds later
15:49:48 <Kevin_Kofler> I think that's all for 4.6.2, next topic?
15:50:49 <jreznik> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679486
15:51:17 <jreznik> .bug 679486
15:51:19 <zodbot> jreznik: Bug 679486 Unable to start graphical installer on RC1 KDE live image - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679486
15:51:38 <jreznik> jlaska asked me to add it as meeting's topic
15:52:03 <Kevin_Kofler> We have one user reporting that this is fixed because NM is no longer applying hostnames from DHCP, at least for him.
15:52:25 <Kevin_Kofler> But this sounds weird, it might just be one bug masking the other there.
15:52:55 <Kevin_Kofler> In any case, we need more confirmation if this is really fixed.
15:53:05 <jlaska> yeah, I'm not sure what the current status on this bug is
15:53:28 <jlaska> and it's has a long history as well, so I'd be happy if we could get some additional eyes on confirming whether it's fixed or not
15:54:23 <than> jlaska: we will test it
15:55:08 <jlaska> than: thank you!  I've added it to my queue as well, but I'm definitely not as in tune with the bug
15:57:04 <nucleo> Black text on panel looks not very good with black Lovelock wallpaper if desktop effects enabled http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-April/009195.html http://nucleo.fedorapeople.org/snapshot2.png but without effects looks fine http://nucleo.fedorapeople.org/snapshot1.png
15:57:06 <Kevin_Kofler> Open discussion?
15:57:42 <jlaska> Kevin_Kofler: yeah, that's all I had on #topic.  Thanks
15:57:56 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic Open discussion
15:58:11 <Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm, jreznik?
15:58:38 <jreznik> two minutes left...
15:59:05 * jreznik is looking
15:59:49 <than> jreznik: np
16:00:42 <jreznik> it's not easy to find hw to test it :)
16:01:14 <Kevin_Kofler> It should be testable with XRender compositing.
16:01:30 <Kevin_Kofler> That normally works even on software rendering.
16:01:55 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: even with desktop effects on, my panel is not transparent and looks like snap1
16:02:12 <jreznik> I'll try to investigate it after meeting/tmrw
16:02:22 <nucleo> jreznik: KDE restarted after enabling effects?
16:02:36 <nucleo> it becames transparent after restart
16:03:03 <jreznik> nucleo: it flashed but that's all
16:03:06 <jreznik> #endmeeting