05:02:20 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:02:20 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 31 05:02:20 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:24 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:02:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:02:32 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:02:39 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-03-31
05:02:42 <juhp> hello
05:02:44 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:02:55 <epico_laptop> hi
05:02:59 <paragan> hi
05:03:05 <fujiwarat> hi
05:03:07 <pravins> hi
05:05:19 <tagoh> ok, let's get started
05:05:29 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:06:12 <tagoh> pravins: thanks for updating. it's 100% complete now so we've done all works for our features then?
05:06:25 <pravins> tagoh: yes
05:06:31 <tagoh> great
05:06:38 <pravins> testing and resolving bugs is going on
05:06:53 <pravins> i think by f15 final freeze we will be in very good state
05:07:36 <tagoh> yep
05:08:05 <dingyichen> hi
05:08:36 <tagoh> how about relnotes? it it good to go for beta?
05:09:07 <tagoh> juhp: we need to update flags to include it right?
05:09:59 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats
05:10:06 <juhp> hm
05:10:36 <tagoh> there seems some docs not having any flags yet
05:10:40 <juhp> not sure - I think it is normally included automatically
05:11:00 <juhp> I think the flags are set by Fedora Docs?
05:11:24 <juhp> I don't think we got any notes into Alpha
05:11:53 <tagoh> maybe changed the process? there should be reminder a week ago or two
05:13:09 <juhp> perhaps it helps if I remove my asterisks :)
05:13:20 <juhp> hm
05:13:41 <tagoh> heh
05:14:04 <juhp> feel free to add your name too if you wish
05:15:26 <tagoh> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-March/149766.html
05:15:36 <tagoh> sure
05:16:42 <tagoh> btw next milestone in current schedule is "Beta Change Deadline" and "Features 100% Complete" at 5th of April
05:17:55 <tagoh> we will be allowed blocker bug fixes only after that
05:19:25 <tagoh> anyway, if relnote for i18n looks good so far, we could give 1 to "Wiki good" perhaps
05:19:46 <juhp> thanks I set Wiki Good now - though I still feel it is a bit bare
05:20:35 <tagoh> thanks - ok
05:20:55 <juhp> sorry for missing that
05:21:18 <juhp> I guess you're right and the process changed a bit
05:21:50 <juhp> though would be nice if it was a bit smarter: if there is new content then presumably the beat is active...
05:22:06 <juhp> seems somewhat redundant but no doubt some good reason for it :)
05:22:33 <tagoh> yep
05:23:13 <juhp> maybe the 1 and 0's are more important than the asterisks?
05:23:31 <juhp> thanks for spotting that
05:23:41 <tagoh> guess so otherwise it will be simply dropped
05:23:58 <juhp> yeah probably :-|
05:24:57 <tagoh> fujiwarat: any progress in gnome-shell?
05:25:28 <tagoh> guess better close 663900?
05:26:48 <fujiwarat> 663900?
05:27:28 <tagoh> asking anyone for another bug. nevermind :)
05:28:10 <fujiwarat> We fixed the ibus panel with gnome-shell-2.91.93-1.fc15 for f15.
05:29:15 <fujiwarat> It would be nice if you could try the gnome-shell and the latest ibus.
05:29:29 <fujiwarat> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gnome-shell-2.91.93-1.fc15
05:29:52 <tagoh> cool
05:30:57 <fujiwarat> fedbot bug 657165
05:31:10 <fujiwarat> Probably we will close the bug later.
05:31:25 <tagoh> ok
05:32:19 <juhp> great
05:32:55 <juhp> maybe we should add a link i18n nth bugs too?
05:33:37 <tagoh> sure. sounds good idea - do we have any?
05:35:51 <juhp> maybe not yet :)
05:36:15 <tagoh> aha. good :) anyway good to keep in track if we have a link then
05:36:24 <tagoh> ok, will add one next time.
05:36:29 <juhp> cool
05:37:15 <tagoh> #action tagoh to add i18n nth bugs link on agenda
05:37:23 <tagoh> anything else for f15?
05:38:48 <nkumar> hi
05:38:56 <tagoh> ok, let's move on then.
05:39:04 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:39:30 <tagoh> guess there are some packages on pending for translation updates perhaps?
05:40:34 <epico_laptop> release cjkuni-u*-fonts for F14?
05:40:50 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/imsettings-1.2.1-1.fc15
05:40:52 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/im-chooser-1.4.2-1.fc15
05:40:57 <tagoh> in testing
05:40:58 <epico_laptop> dingyichen:hi
05:41:22 <tagoh> epico_laptop: have you got any feedbacks for that?
05:41:28 <epico_laptop> no
05:42:00 <epico_laptop> as just some clean up on fonts conf.
05:43:16 <tagoh> dingyichen: did you have any chance to try?
05:44:26 <juhp> (btw just added f15 to the dashboard)
05:44:46 <tagoh> epico_laptop: guess you could call for testers on test list maybe
05:44:57 <tagoh> if it's a concern
05:45:14 <epico_laptop> got: This update has reached 7 days in testing and can be pushed to stable now if the maintainer wishes
05:45:31 <epico_laptop> the fonts is for Traditional Chinese.
05:45:32 <tagoh> juhp: ah, thanks!
05:45:43 <epico_laptop> maybe I can push it now.
05:45:50 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, hi
05:46:08 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, please do. :-)
05:46:09 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: cjkuni-u*-fonts ok for F14?
05:46:19 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: thanks. :)
05:46:34 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:47:29 <dingyichen> tagoh, we are current under review on zanata-python-client
05:47:42 <tagoh> guess anyone else can helps if you have any later and ask on #fedora-i18n :)
05:47:48 <tagoh> dingyichen: ok
05:47:57 <dingyichen> and trying to make zanata available for fedora
05:47:58 <juhp> dingyichen: did you have a chance to test the cjkuni update?
05:49:20 <dingyichen> Unfortunately, we have "political" issue, so it's not currently available for fedora users.
05:49:51 <dingyichen> juhp, not yet.
05:50:58 <tagoh> hm, guess better call for testers on test list then? we have to avoid regression on f14
05:52:12 <tagoh> ok, better move on
05:52:18 <tagoh> #topic Input Methods
05:52:55 <tagoh> any updates/progress on IM?
05:53:46 <dueno> looks ibus-unikey passed the review
05:53:51 <juhp> nkumar: I see quite a few ibus-table-indic bugs open for f15
05:54:33 <juhp> dueno: cool
05:54:46 <tagoh> and abrt bugs for ibus-pinyin too
05:54:53 <juhp> pwbarnes_away: how about ibus-pinyin abrt bugs?
05:54:54 <juhp> yeah
05:54:58 <juhp> oops
05:55:04 <juhp> epico_laptop: ^
05:55:27 <epico_laptop> 2 bugs from the same person, no other new bugs yet.
05:55:45 <juhp> epico_laptop: reproducible?
05:55:56 <epico_laptop> not
05:56:55 <juhp> hm ok
05:57:16 <juhp> no details in the bug except a self-reference ;)
05:57:38 <tagoh> guess need more info to see the reproducible steps
05:58:05 <nkumar> juhp: yep, I was trying to resolve them one by one
05:58:12 <epico_laptop> yes
05:58:21 <juhp> nkumar: any quick ones you can fix now?
05:58:50 <tagoh> nkumar: any critical issues so far? it would be good to propose as blocker earlier if any
05:59:31 <nkumar> juhp: bug #683826
05:59:48 <pravins> .bug 683826
05:59:50 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 683826 addition of new phrases by users - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683826
05:59:58 <juhp> okay
06:00:09 <nkumar> until unless we have surrounding text support in ibus apis we cannot fully resolve it
06:01:10 <juhp> ah
06:02:00 <pravins> nkumar: we have discussion last time regarding adding script
06:02:04 <nkumar> .bug 683743
06:02:06 <zodbot> nkumar: Bug 683743 [RFE] should show 10 candidates at a times - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683743
06:02:07 <pravins> s/have/had
06:02:24 <pravins> that is even best options than surrounding text
06:02:28 <nkumar> this can be easily resolved if we just add 10 as default
06:03:09 <juhp> nkumar: so please do then
06:03:10 <nkumar> later pravins said it is not required
06:03:17 <nkumar> if he still says I will do it now
06:03:18 <juhp> so close?
06:03:43 <pravins> juhp: nkumar better to have that user-definable in table
06:04:25 <tagoh> so planning to add an option in config say?
06:04:35 <pravins> number of candidates to show should be user-definable
06:04:49 <juhp> right in IME I suppose
06:05:06 <tagoh> yeah
06:06:09 <tagoh> anyway, we have a little time to do for f15 unless it's a blocker. so have to hurry up to push if we want to fix it in f15 GA otherwise we could do it in updates
06:07:06 <tagoh> ok, shall we move on
06:07:21 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:07:40 <juhp> okay probably it could also be an update though GA is more important for countries with less bandwidth I guess
06:07:59 <tagoh> yeah
06:08:40 <tagoh> pravins: good work for new lohit fonts. guess you'll have another releases for other langs?
06:08:59 <pravins> yes
06:09:01 <pravins> .bug 682667
06:09:03 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 682667 [Indic] Indian language fonts rendering fuzzy in gnome3 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682667
06:09:04 <tagoh> great
06:09:40 <pravins> tagoh: thanks :)
06:11:55 <tagoh> anything else on fonts and rendering?
06:12:18 <dueno> packaged thai-arundina-fonts & nhn-nanum-fonts (Korean), now under review
06:12:49 <tagoh> aha
06:14:06 <tagoh> fwiw no default fonts assigned to the aliases for thai. we may need to think about it later
06:15:15 <tagoh> dueno: thanks for packaging
06:15:45 <tagoh> anything else you want to discuss before closing?
06:15:52 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:16:02 <juhp> hmm
06:16:10 <juhp> ah
06:16:21 <juhp> so no lang menu for gnome3 gdm?
06:16:31 <juhp> .bug 681750
06:16:33 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 681750 No Language Selection/Language List in GDM - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681750
06:17:03 <tagoh> not yet tried after alpha. it was no lang list there at least right
06:17:09 <juhp> pravins: any idea about bug 683122 ? (lohit pa)
06:17:24 <juhp> tagoh: yeah still same I believe
06:18:12 <tagoh> quite unuseful for other desktops
06:18:35 <pravins> juhp: not checked that, but looks interesting one
06:18:44 <juhp> pravins: should lohit-punjabi fontconfig set lang pa-in?
06:18:54 <pravins> pa_IN is gurumukhi script
06:19:24 <pravins> pa_pk looks arabic script
06:19:39 <juhp> tagoh: you mean bad for other DEs using gdm for login?
06:19:50 <juhp> right
06:19:51 <tagoh> juhp: thought it does. but not pa
06:20:22 <juhp> maybe something else then?
06:20:33 <juhp> priority issue?
06:20:47 <pravins> juhp: i think yes, we should add  pa-in also in lohit punjabi
06:20:53 <juhp> ok
06:20:57 <tagoh> need both or wait for patch in fontconfig?
06:22:37 <fujiwarat> I guess the GDM keyboard layout won't be fixed in GNOME 3.0. Probably we need to hurry up xkb + input-method in 3.2.
06:23:30 <tagoh> good to set a milestone for f16 :)
06:25:14 <tagoh> ok, better stop the meeting here. feel free to continue discussion on #fedora-i18n if necessary.
06:25:20 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:25:27 <tagoh> #endmeeting