15:01:38 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-03-29 15:01:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Mar 29 15:01:38 2011 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:38 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:49 <jreznik> #meetingname kde-sig 15:01:49 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:02:00 <jreznik> #topic roll call 15:02:06 <jreznik> who's present today? 15:02:09 * rnovacek here 15:02:14 <Kevin_Kofler> Present. 15:02:29 <than> present 15:02:37 <ltinkl> present 15:03:21 <jreznik> #chair rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl rdieter 15:03:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter rnovacek than 15:03:43 <jreznik> #info jreznik rnovacek Kevin_Kofler than ltinkl present 15:04:34 <jreznik> #topic agenda 15:05:23 <jreznik> one topic could be - stick with current time (change due to summer time, now in effect in EU too) 15:06:04 <jreznik> anythin else to add to agenda? 15:06:32 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855 15:07:02 <jreznik> ok 15:08:24 <jreznik> let's start even without rdieter 15:09:04 <jreznik> (so I'll skip meeting time for now) 15:09:31 <jreznik> #topic f14/kde46 status update 15:09:55 <Kevin_Kofler> So this has been in updates-testing for a while, but we have 3 open regressions. :-( 15:10:19 <ltinkl> which are? 15:10:26 <Kevin_Kofler> 2, actually. 15:10:37 <Kevin_Kofler> But I have to check if the fixes are already in the current F14 update set, too. 15:11:14 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690450 auto-unhide annoyances, proposed patch attached to the upstream bug report, we should apply it 15:11:26 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684419 pykdeuic4 breakage 15:11:42 <Kevin_Kofler> (due to the new PyQt4, but the new kdebindings claims to require that new PyQt4) 15:11:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Those are the open ones. 15:12:18 <ltinkl> I wouldn't even consider the bindings as a blocker 15:12:23 <than> Kevin_Kofler: does the new PyQt fix the issue? 15:12:48 <than> ltinkl: +1 15:12:49 <Kevin_Kofler> than: Which new PyQt4? 15:13:04 <Kevin_Kofler> The latest I'm aware of is the one which caused the problem. 15:13:43 <Kevin_Kofler> I checked that https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690123, which got closed today for F15, has the fixed kdelibs build already in the F14 update set. 15:13:50 <Kevin_Kofler> So we're really down to 2 open regressions. 15:14:01 <Kevin_Kofler> Can anybody have a look at the kdebindings problem? 15:14:40 <Kevin_Kofler> And we should build a kdebase-workspace with the auto-unhide fix. 15:15:08 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: I can rebuild kdebase-workspace 15:15:34 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Please do, and then we'll need to get confirmation that it fixes the regression. 15:15:37 <than> is the regression in kdebinding reported to KDE upstream? 15:15:48 <Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm, good question… 15:15:49 <jreznik> for kdebindings stuff - I can take a look too, any helpers? ltinkl? :) 15:16:03 <ltinkl> no idea about bindings :o) 15:16:35 <Kevin_Kofler> There's no upstream report linked in our Bugzilla. :-( 15:17:05 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm trying a search at bugs.kde.org now. 15:19:08 <rnovacek> I didn't found any upstream bug 15:19:09 <than> Kevin_Kofler: it seems it's not in kde bugzilla 15:19:22 <Kevin_Kofler> I can't find anything. 15:19:26 <Kevin_Kofler> We need to file it ASAP. 15:19:38 <than> Kevin_Kofler: +1 15:19:38 <Kevin_Kofler> This should really have been filed upstream eons ago. :-( 15:19:46 <jreznik> #info we have two remaining F14 bugs - auto-unhide bug and kdebindings build issue (not reported upstream yet) 15:20:25 <jreznik> #action jreznik to try to build kdebase-workspace with auto-unhide patch 15:21:48 <than> Kevin_Kofler: do you want to take care of the report to KDE upstream? 15:22:40 <Kevin_Kofler> I can do it. 15:22:46 <than> Kevin_Kofler: thanks 15:23:07 <jreznik> #action Kevin_Kofler to report kdebindings/PyQt 4.8 issue upstream 15:24:06 <jreznik> anything else for f14/kde4.6 combo? 15:24:57 <jreznik> I'm running latest builds on my laptop - it's ok, on my workstation I have a strange issue accessing kwallet from kmail after update (I'm trying to investigate what's happening there) 15:27:46 <zodbot> Announcement from my owner (jsmith): Fedora Board IRC Meeting (Open Q&A) at the top of the hour in #fedora-board-meeting 15:28:42 <jreznik> ok, let's move 15:28:56 <jreznik> #topic NM 0.9 status 15:29:18 <jreznik> ltinkl: what's the current nm 0.9 status in f15? everything ready? 15:29:36 * jsmith is interested to hear how the NM 0.9 update is working for the KDE folks 15:30:48 <ltinkl> jreznik: you better ask jklimes who is working on getting the current knm work with the compat code in NM 0.9 15:31:17 <jreznik> ltinkl: but the compat code? 15:31:50 <ltinkl> the compat code is present in the current Nm 0.9 version 15:31:58 <ltinkl> we just have to adjust the knm applet to use it 15:32:08 <Kevin_Kofler> Uh, it already is adjusted. 15:32:09 <than> does the k*plasma*nm work with nm-0.9 now? 15:32:22 <ltinkl> it works, somehow, has a few bugs here and there 15:32:29 <Kevin_Kofler> dcbw did the small adjustments needed to the KDE code. The big part is the compat code inside NM. 15:32:46 <ltinkl> dbcw promised to develop and maintain the fixes 15:32:54 <than> Kevin_Kofler: is it already apply in KDE? 15:33:00 <ltinkl> it is even stored in the NM git as patches 15:33:01 <Kevin_Kofler> This stuff now got pushed to dist-f15. 15:33:14 <Kevin_Kofler> than: Yes, the grouped update including KDE patches got pushed. 15:33:28 <ltinkl> than: it's here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/?h=f15 15:34:08 <Kevin_Kofler> (BTW, I restored the VPN subpackage split. I initially wanted to drop it because I thought NM doesn't have the VPN subpackages anymore, but they're still there, they're just built as separate SRPMs and not as subpackages as I thought.) 15:34:08 <jreznik> #info grouped NM update including KDE patches got pushed 15:34:49 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler restored VPN subpackage split (as can be found in NM) 15:34:56 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: ah, ok... 15:35:55 <jreznik> but still - we have to test it - networking is crucial part of user experience... 15:36:08 <ltinkl> definitely 15:36:11 <Kevin_Kofler> (FWIW, the NM description is a bit misleading because it claims VPN support when VPN support is actually provided by separate SRPMs.) 15:37:47 <Kevin_Kofler> What's still an open task is to get a real port to the real NM 0.9 API done, which should be upstreamable unlike the compat hacks which were needed to meet F15 deadlines. 15:38:20 <Kevin_Kofler> That port will also have to include a way to migrate existing user settings to NM's system setting service. User setting support in 0.9 is only in the compat code. 15:40:26 <ltinkl> the real port to NM 0.9 is something we still discuss 15:40:41 <ltinkl> and that's definitely a long-term task, for KDE 4.7 15:40:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Right. Can we move on? 15:42:09 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Next topic please! 15:42:25 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: sorry, rh issues 15:42:42 <jreznik> #topic F15 artwork status 15:42:53 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, that's your topic. :-) 15:43:06 <jreznik> yep, I'll be quick 15:43:33 <jreznik> karma desperately needed :) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/lovelock-kde-theme-14.91.0-1.fc15 15:43:52 <jreznik> for now - just a few changes to match it new wp 15:43:59 <jreznik> I'll finish it with final wp 15:44:07 <jreznik> but good to have for beta 15:44:35 <ltinkl> I briefly tested it today, worked fine 15:45:13 <jreznik> ltinkl: then karma +1 :) 15:45:19 <ltinkl> done already :) 15:45:37 <jreznik> #info jreznik prepared kde-lovelock-theme for F15 to match current wp 15:45:52 <jreznik> #info karma (and testing of course) is needed, see attached link 15:46:11 <jreznik> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855 15:46:39 <jreznik> .bug 683855 15:46:41 <zodbot> jreznik: Bug 683855 gtk unthemed (ugly) when gnome-themes-standard not present - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855 15:46:54 <Kevin_Kofler> So this one affects us for GTK+ 3 mainly. 15:47:20 <Kevin_Kofler> For GTK+ 2, we have kcm-gtk and a hardcoded config file for root which set oxygen-gtk as the theme. 15:47:40 <Kevin_Kofler> But for GTK+ 3, we still have to rely on the Adwaita stuff for now and it isn't getting set as the default because of this. 15:48:05 <Kevin_Kofler> The maintainer tried to fix it, but his "fix" basically just made the subpackage split pointless. 15:48:20 <Kevin_Kofler> So that's now reverted and the bug is still there. 15:48:37 <Kevin_Kofler> I proposed a solution, but I got no feedback at all for it. :-( 15:48:47 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683855#c2 15:49:19 <Kevin_Kofler> (Well, I got a question from cwickert, I answered it, and nobody else commented, in particular nobody who's listed as a maintainer or comaintainer of the package.) 15:49:51 <than> Kevin_Kofler: should the status be set to ASSIGNED? 15:50:18 <Kevin_Kofler> Uhm, yes… I'm taking care of that. 15:51:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Reopened. 15:52:15 <jreznik> contact them directly? 15:52:41 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm quite annoyed at the fact that nobody commented on my proposed patch. If they don't like it, they could at least tell me why… 15:54:41 * jreznik understands 15:57:33 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm considering just applying my fix… 16:00:57 <rnovacek> time's up 16:01:02 <jreznik> yep 16:01:05 <jreznik> #endmeeting