14:12:57 <liknus> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2011-03-26
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14:13:08 <liknus> #chair gbraad yn1v igorps
14:13:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: gbraad igorps liknus yn1v
14:13:16 <liknus> #topic RollCall
14:13:18 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
14:13:19 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
14:13:23 <liknus> #meetingname famsco
14:13:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famsco'
14:13:25 <yn1v> .fas yn1v
14:13:26 <zodbot> yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' <neville@taygon.com>
14:13:26 <igorps> .fas igorps
14:13:27 <gbraad> .fas gbraad
14:13:29 <zodbot> igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' <igor@projetofedora.org>
14:13:33 <zodbot> gbraad: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' <fedora@gbraad.nl>
14:13:35 <liknus> #topic Old Agenda items
14:13:44 <liknus> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda
14:14:01 <liknus> Larry is not here so lets jump to gbraad
14:14:09 <liknus> #topic FUDCON in China
14:14:13 <liknus> gbraad, any news on that?
14:15:07 <gbraad> unfortunately no process on this item, except  that I have been in contact with some people at Mozilla and Tsinghua university. Hope to get some involvement from them to do a fudcon, FAD or TOSW activity
14:15:22 <liknus> who from Mozilla?
14:15:24 <liknus> Gen?
14:15:29 <gbraad> Gong Li
14:15:35 <liknus> :S
14:15:43 <liknus> oh... from Mozilla China!
14:15:52 <gbraad> Surman was not available (due to flu AFAIK)
14:16:22 <liknus> Gong can help us a lot... so does Gen Kenai
14:16:30 <liknus> ...also
14:16:39 <gbraad> if you have some contacts, please bring us in touch
14:16:44 <liknus> anyway I would love to explore a possibility of a joined event
14:16:48 <gbraad> I am sure this can help
14:16:54 <liknus> I will talk to Gen today
14:17:23 <liknus> #action liknus contacts people in Mozilla for a possibility of joined event in China
14:17:24 <liknus> ok?
14:17:26 <gbraad> Jon was here at the Drumbeat
14:17:33 <gbraad> +1
14:17:35 <liknus> Jon?
14:17:38 <gbraad> rejon
14:17:50 <liknus> oh! good friend of mine :)
14:17:55 <gbraad> same here ;-)
14:17:58 <liknus> nice nice
14:17:59 <gbraad> but opk, we wander of
14:18:14 <gbraad> so at the moment I have been active in the background on this topic
14:18:24 <gbraad> trying to get some involvement on the university level
14:18:28 <liknus> ok no worries I will help you speed this up
14:18:55 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:19:06 <liknus> my action items are all pursued currently
14:19:21 <liknus> no news on any old front (SOP, Mediawiki etc)
14:19:33 <liknus> #topic FAmSCo survey
14:19:37 <liknus> igorps, any news on that>
14:19:57 <igorps> This is something we talked about last meeting too
14:20:11 <igorps> if we are going to use limesurvey we will probably have to pay
14:20:23 <igorps> for additional questions
14:20:36 <liknus> :S
14:20:41 <igorps> yn1v said it was done before
14:20:48 <liknus> any other system we can leverage?
14:21:17 <igorps> we should wait on Rahul for that
14:21:34 <liknus> ok moving on?
14:21:35 <igorps> since I don't know if he has anything else in mind
14:21:38 <gbraad> liknus alternatives are available, but in the likes of gdocs
14:22:08 <liknus> gbraad, possibly we should contact Fedora Admin (infra) team?
14:22:14 <liknus> can you do it igorps ?
14:22:20 <liknus> asking them for an alternative
14:22:29 <igorps> liknus: sure
14:23:09 <liknus> #action igorps contacts infra team for a tool to contact a survey
14:23:12 <liknus> ok nice
14:23:13 <igorps> but AFAIK limesurvey is still stucked on review process
14:23:24 <liknus> ping them to get some updates :)
14:23:32 <igorps> I'll get an updated status on that :)
14:23:32 <rbergeron> yes
14:23:33 <rbergeron> plz
14:23:35 <rbergeron> :)
14:23:47 <gbraad> :-o
14:23:55 <liknus> rbergeron, hey :)
14:24:02 <yn1v> I was about to said tha marketing team was also interested on lime survey
14:24:07 <rbergeron> yes
14:24:28 <gbraad> in that case, additional push to investigate further
14:24:32 <rbergeron> in short: there are like.... 49 million font packages that would need to  go in
14:24:37 <gbraad> thanks rbergeron
14:24:45 <rbergeron> honestly - i would just pay for limesurvey
14:24:50 <rbergeron> the costs are very low
14:25:04 <yn1v> I have said so
14:25:07 <rbergeron> plus they use the money for their project.
14:25:39 <gbraad> maybe see if we can get budget for this, since famsco and marketing would like to use
14:25:50 <gbraad> also something igorps wants to investigate?
14:25:52 <rbergeron> it's like... less than 100 bucks
14:25:53 <liknus> gbraad, how much money are we talking?
14:25:58 <liknus> rbergeron, sounds ok
14:26:01 <gbraad> I have no idea
14:26:11 <liknus> shall we file a ticket on infra for that rbergeron ?
14:26:13 <rbergeron> to get like... several hundred responses
14:26:15 <gbraad> ah, as what rbergeron said
14:26:17 <rbergeron> no
14:26:17 <gbraad> :-P
14:26:32 <igorps> This is something we should articulate with Rahul
14:26:36 <liknus> so we can directly purchase it
14:26:39 <rbergeron> does anyone here know how to use the survey?
14:26:46 <rbergeron> err
14:26:48 * liknus has no idea
14:26:50 <rbergeron> use limesurvey?
14:26:55 <yn1v> I have play a bit with lime survey
14:26:57 <gbraad> probably mether does know
14:27:01 <rbergeron> i've set it up before.
14:27:17 <yn1v> when marketing were making test, i have run some test on different plataforms
14:27:17 <rbergeron> las year's fudcon survey
14:27:54 <rbergeron> so: i can help out if needed, and i can pay too, if you dont want to block on anything.
14:28:37 <rbergeron> i'd just need questions.
14:29:14 <yn1v> I have only run test survey, never did any real survey. I will glad also to help.
14:29:40 * rbergeron nods
14:30:03 <liknus> so next step on that?
14:30:07 <liknus> igorps, ?
14:30:27 <igorps> I remind you guys that we have a deadline for Rahul on this
14:30:36 <igorps> which I think is April 9th
14:30:38 <liknus> indeed
14:30:42 <yn1v> yes
14:30:43 <liknus> so lets wait?
14:30:51 <igorps> +1
14:30:59 <gbraad> +1
14:31:06 <yn1v> +1 we have everithing else ready
14:31:17 <gbraad> at least we know limesurvey is an option
14:31:18 <igorps> meanwhile we investigate the best way to do it
14:31:36 <liknus> ok nice
14:31:40 <gbraad> in other words; helping mether to speed up this topic if needed
14:31:56 <liknus> #action mether needs to report back on survey tool by 9th of April
14:32:07 <liknus> ok people moving on:
14:32:08 * rbergeron notes it would take less than a day to set up lime survey - maybe a few hrs.
14:32:16 * rbergeron waves bye :)
14:32:25 <liknus> rbergeron, bye and thanks!
14:32:29 <igorps> rbergeron: good to know! Bye!
14:32:38 <liknus> kaio is not here so lets move to new agenda items
14:32:45 <liknus> #topic New Agenda Items
14:33:26 <liknus> #topic Support for Support for event Linuxwochen Vienna
14:33:37 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/140
14:33:44 <liknus> I have already pre-approved it
14:33:47 <liknus> are we ok with that?
14:33:56 <liknus> seems like a nice event and Fedora can support it
14:34:30 <liknus> Zoltan (our Hungarian star) will most probably attend it and we might need to sposnor him partially
14:34:37 <liknus> any objections?
14:34:39 <igorps> sounds good indeed
14:34:44 <gbraad> no objections
14:35:11 <liknus> #agreed moving fwd with https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/140
14:35:16 <liknus> ok moving on:
14:35:29 <liknus> #topic Swag Production and Management
14:35:32 <liknus> So
14:35:57 <liknus> During the past two weeks we run into a series of debated and discussions about swag management in EMEA region
14:37:10 <liknus> partially they were sparked by my decision to agree on a budget request by Zoltan Hopper on producing cheat cubes, without bringing it to region wide consensus
14:38:08 <yn1v> seems that are old wounds, people respond to quick to small things :(
14:38:17 <liknus> I take full responsibility for the action, but that being said, I still believe that for this type of requests FAmSCo members should be able to move things forward without waiting for regional meeting's approval
14:38:31 <gbraad> +1
14:38:39 <igorps> +1
14:39:13 <liknus> yn1v, indeed.. there are some old wounds especially with the EMEA eV thing (the non-profit we had in Germany)
14:39:28 <igorps> I agree with yn1v. It really seems old wounds
14:39:40 <liknus> I strongly suggest to establish a firm procedure and rules on those things to tackle those situations once and for all
14:39:52 <liknus> I was thinking about a simple structure
14:40:04 <liknus> Each region has two people :
14:40:04 <yn1v> I agree with liknus, this type of request can be move fwd easily
14:40:17 <liknus> A media wrangler and a swag wrangler
14:40:45 <liknus> those are responsible for suggesting and taking care of production of their items in large scale for each region
14:40:47 <K410_tab> .fas kaio
14:40:48 <zodbot> K410_tab: kaio 'Caius Chance' <me@kaio.net>
14:41:05 <gbraad> hi kaio, we skipped your old topics
14:41:13 <liknus> Their suggestion should end up on regional meetings and the budget be approved by famsco in trac
14:41:33 <yn1v> I dislike "firm procedure" can we rephrase it as "guidelines" ?
14:41:41 <liknus> then they move forward with production (with help from regional credit card holders)
14:41:47 <liknus> yn1v, ok
14:41:49 * rbergeron thought each region approved their own budgetary spending?
14:41:59 <gbraad> 'social interactions' over 'procedures / process'
14:42:04 <liknus> rbergeron, thats why I say regional meetings
14:42:06 <igorps> I'm afraid we add too much bureaucracy to the system
14:42:18 <gbraad> igorps +1
14:42:36 <liknus> igorps, I really think that we need a swag wrangler to take care the massive stuff
14:42:51 <liknus> of course we will continue to approve small scale producitons like we do now
14:42:58 <yn1v> Procedures are good when they help people to get things done in a orderly fashion
14:43:14 <gbraad> however steps up I would say
14:43:19 <gbraad> whoever
14:43:26 <liknus> yn1v, that why we need responsible people to step up in each region
14:43:50 <liknus> and also those people will handle shipping
14:44:03 <liknus> right now we know nothing about who has what and how it can be shipped
14:44:12 <liknus> those wranglers will tackle that
14:44:15 <yn1v> bureaucracy it good to do things in a regular and orderly fashion, we need to avoid that become a blocker
14:44:33 <igorps> IMHO should be something pretty straightforward for instance someone taking the action to communicate by forehand the requests that needed to be approved
14:44:49 <liknus> yn1v, no blocker at all.. this will be the suggested method... we will continue to approve small and quick requests when needed
14:44:58 <liknus> production in small scales etc
14:45:04 <yn1v> yes, that my point
14:45:12 <liknus> yn1v, no worries for that
14:45:18 <yn1v> we can use procedures to help things speed
14:45:19 <igorps> what requests to approve could be discussed also on local mailing lists, if any
14:45:35 <liknus> I am just saying that we need to consolidate the mass production system on a regional scale
14:45:51 <yn1v> I like the general idea
14:46:00 <liknus> also include those actions (regional meetings) on the Ambassadors schedule
14:46:04 <liknus> like we do for media
14:46:16 <liknus> and make sure to allocate budget specially for that
14:46:42 <liknus> Shall i write an extensive report/proposal on that so we can publish it and have some feedback?
14:46:53 <liknus> regional wranglers can really speed things up
14:46:54 <igorps> For sure we need to add some transparency to the process
14:46:58 <yn1v> please, that will be nice
14:47:08 <liknus> igorps, that goes without saying :) we are fedora
14:47:22 <liknus> are we all ok into moving towards that direction?
14:47:30 <liknus> (i will draft a proposal)
14:47:45 <igorps> liknus: yes, we can discuss it via ml
14:47:51 <yn1v> I have been call to see some work stuff
14:48:21 <yn1v> Can I drop something quickly ?
14:48:23 <liknus> #action liknus drafts a proposal about Regional Swag wranglers
14:48:30 <liknus> yn1v, go ahead
14:48:36 <yn1v> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v/Librebus_2011
14:49:06 <yn1v> I have been involved in this bus traveling along central america with topics about free culture and free software
14:49:18 <gbraad> ah, you mentioned this before
14:49:25 <liknus> damn I envy you yn1v !
14:49:35 <liknus> (that looks SO cool)
14:49:41 <yn1v> Jose Lopez will be on the bus, he is ambassador from el salvador. he will need some budget to go to Costa Rica
14:49:55 <liknus> how much are we talking about?
14:50:05 <yn1v> But I will like to explore how else we can support this project ?
14:50:20 <liknus> We will need extensive reports and photos :)
14:50:32 <liknus> yn1v, by sending you?
14:50:33 <yn1v> by plain will be about $300 by bus will be about $75
14:50:43 <gbraad> liknus, scenery photos enough? ;-)
14:50:59 <yn1v> I would like to have the time to drop everything and get on the bus :)
14:51:00 <liknus> if it is ok for him by bus (dunno the distance) we can save some money to sposnor the project as a project
14:51:24 <liknus> yn1v, I am almost ready to do it (in my expenses :P )
14:51:53 <yn1v> By now I am working hard on making the transit across Nicaragua. Lodgin, food, meetings, press campaing
14:52:05 <igorps> It sounds a good opportunity to do a lot of media distribution!
14:52:14 <liknus> and also give some talks
14:52:20 <igorps> +1
14:52:20 <liknus> Jose will handle that?
14:52:27 <yn1v> exactly.
14:52:46 <yn1v> yes, jose will give some talks and distribute whatever we handle to him
14:52:51 <liknus> can we support the project and get our branding on it
14:52:53 <liknus> ?
14:52:58 <yn1v> and also take lots and lots of photos!
14:53:05 <liknus> yn1v, go for it!
14:53:17 <liknus> any website we can point people to?
14:53:28 <gbraad> librebus.org is under construction
14:53:30 <yn1v> Yes, that was the last question... we can have our brand in the bus
14:53:32 <liknus> also draft a proposal for budget allocation and file a ticket for that
14:53:45 <gbraad> 'Sitio desconectado en mantenimiento'
14:54:10 <yn1v> Yes, we are working to set up some post before launching the web site
14:54:25 <yn1v> It supposed to be ready by monday
14:54:52 <liknus> ok nice
14:55:02 <yn1v> I have to run, but I feel very happy about what you have said
14:55:08 <liknus> yn1v, explore the possibilities on how we can support it and file the bugs
14:55:22 <yn1v> i will update everything as soon as I have more info.
14:55:25 <liknus> and then we will decide upon them next meeting
14:55:29 <liknus> ok cool
14:55:32 <liknus> bye yn1v !
14:55:36 <yn1v> Bye !!
14:55:42 <igorps> yn1v: bye!
14:55:43 <liknus> So nice people :)
14:55:44 <gbraad> bye
14:55:50 <liknus> ok moving fwd :
14:55:50 * yn1v away of keyboard
14:55:55 <gbraad> how about agreement on this?
14:55:59 <gbraad> ;-)
14:56:32 <liknus> #action yn1v will explore the possibilities of fedora support on LibreBus and update FAmSCo on that
14:56:44 <liknus> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
14:57:06 <liknus> so I would like to remind all of you to move forward on your regional meetings on two items :
14:57:29 <liknus> Regional teams should file a bug on media budget for F15 (ammounts etc)
14:57:49 <liknus> and also decide upon the Media wrangler (who will be, what actions)
14:58:20 <liknus> in EMEA cwickert stepped up once again (he did fantastic job previously during tough times)
14:58:38 <liknus> We would like to have a person for each region
14:59:06 <liknus> gbraad, can you take care together with K410_tab to decide on APAC? (on your meeting)
14:59:11 <gbraad> unfortunately kaio is not here, but for APAC this is also not known yet
14:59:22 <gbraad> we will take care of this
14:59:27 <liknus> igorps, yn1v please do that on LATAM too
14:59:37 <liknus> as soon as possible people
14:59:40 <gbraad> lcafiero for NA
14:59:46 <igorps> liknus: no problem :)
14:59:54 <liknus> next regional meeting would be awesome
15:00:40 <liknus> so by that we tackled items #4 #6 #7
15:00:48 <liknus> about item #5 : "FAmSCo heads Ambassador Wide Meetings Preparing For Fedora 15"
15:01:00 <liknus> we need to get the townhalls arranged and going
15:01:08 <liknus> Larry will head this
15:01:14 <liknus> I will send an email
15:01:35 <liknus> #action liknus sends an email to Larry about preparing upcoming townhalls
15:01:38 <liknus> are we all ok?
15:01:46 <igorps> +1
15:01:48 <gbraad> +1
15:02:26 <liknus> ok and with that we move to :
15:02:33 <liknus> #topic Tickets Review
15:02:45 <liknus> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/1
15:02:53 <liknus> the situation is pretty good
15:03:02 <liknus> most of the tickets are tackled
15:03:12 <igorps> We have a new ticket for T-shirt production in LATAM:
15:03:16 <igorps> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/153
15:03:28 <liknus> and we need to decide upon sponsoring people for LinuxTag 2011
15:03:52 <liknus> (which will be done in two weeks on our meeting, for now we wait for sponsorship requests)
15:03:59 <liknus> igorps, lets see that
15:04:08 <K410_tab> I am here. :)
15:04:17 <igorps> A ticket for sponsorship to the Free Software International Forum is coming shortly as well
15:05:04 <K410_tab> Have we proceeded the Bangladesh lab ticket yet?
15:05:07 <liknus> igorps, pricey.. but fine with me
15:05:15 <liknus> Shall I pass it over to Max?
15:05:18 <igorps> Ticket #153 is for supporting a packaging initiative in LATAM
15:05:24 <igorps> liknus: yes, please
15:05:27 <liknus> ok
15:05:36 <liknus> K410_tab, max is on this
15:05:55 <igorps> this guys do a wonderful job getting more packagers for Fedora in LATAM :)
15:06:05 <igorps> these*
15:06:10 <liknus> igorps, ok done for #153
15:06:13 <K410_tab> And please follow up the progress on the BD thread.
15:06:33 <liknus> K410_tab, I will report on that during the weekend
15:06:37 <liknus> it seems kinda resolved
15:06:48 <liknus> any other ticket we should tackle people?
15:07:03 <liknus> ok moving on:
15:07:09 <liknus> #topic Open Floor
15:07:19 <liknus> rbergeron, go ahead :)
15:07:21 <K410_tab> Liknus I am also asking about the comm of 2 BD groups. :)
15:07:40 * rbergeron has something but needs to run for like 1 minute to handle a household spill - can ya hang on :)
15:07:46 <liknus> K410_tab, I will report with email
15:07:59 <K410_tab> Iiknus got it thx
15:08:03 <liknus> rbergeron, we will wait
15:08:26 <gbraad> The topic I had has already been mentioned
15:08:45 <K410_tab> There are new candidates so I wish he will enjoy from the beginning.
15:09:21 <rbergeron> okay, i'm back
15:09:22 <gbraad> and will follow-up on this soon. hopefully with some additional help from liknus
15:09:26 <rbergeron> whenever it's my turn
15:09:27 <rbergeron> :)
15:09:30 <gbraad> now
15:09:35 <liknus> rbergeron, :)
15:09:49 <rbergeron> :)
15:10:01 * rbergeron would like to bring up FUDCOn EMEA
15:10:09 <rbergeron> Was anyone here at the regional EMEA meeting this week?
15:10:17 <liknus> me :)
15:10:23 <gbraad> nope
15:10:45 <rbergeron> I know that jsmith brought up the subject of making a decision on the fudcon location there, as the bidding period has closed.
15:11:09 <liknus> jsmith-away, and I are supposed to set up a meeting for tha
15:11:17 <liknus> there is ticket open
15:11:22 <rbergeron> liknus: i can't remember exactly, but I think it was mentioned that they'd like famsco, as well as regional ambassados, and fesco to have input along with the fpl.
15:11:26 <rbergeron> sweet
15:11:28 <rbergeron> oh
15:11:39 <liknus> Max jared and Famsco will be on the meeting
15:11:46 <liknus> hopefully we are talking about this week
15:11:58 * rbergeron just wants to continue making forward progress there
15:12:00 <liknus> will see, because max and jared are super busy
15:12:11 <rbergeron> and didn't see it on your agenda so just making sure it's moving along :)
15:12:15 <liknus> rbergeron, thanks for noting, schedule master!
15:12:15 <liknus> :)
15:12:29 <liknus> rbergeron, you are right.. I need to add that so it reminds us
15:12:31 <liknus> ok nice
15:12:34 <liknus> anything more rbergeron ?
15:12:47 <rbergeron> that's it from me
15:12:51 <liknus> ok:)
15:12:58 <rbergeron> oh,
15:13:13 <rbergeron> i think it might be nice to add to your next meeting agenda to follow up if you haven't heard anything ;)
15:13:14 <liknus> I will end the meeting in 2 mins if thats all people :)
15:13:24 <liknus> yeah definitely rbergeron
15:13:28 <gbraad> liknus +1
15:13:28 <liknus> also a q for you
15:13:31 <rbergeron> or add to your meeting agenda to make sure it's been followed up on
15:13:51 <rbergeron> since time is of the essence for some of those bids
15:13:55 <liknus> rbergeron, after the slip by one week will our Ambassadors schedule be updated?
15:14:14 <rbergeron> it should already be updated, let me double check that i haven't fouled anything up
15:14:29 <liknus> rbergeron, I have to admit i did not check :)
15:14:30 <liknus> :S
15:15:48 <liknus> Thank you all for this productive meeting!
15:15:56 <liknus> see ya all around!
15:16:00 <rbergeron> liknus: it's updated
15:16:01 <gbraad> thanks
15:16:09 <liknus> #endmeeting