19:00:58 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Cloud SIG 19:00:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Mar 18 19:00:58 2011 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:58 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:04 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG 19:01:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig' 19:01:15 <rbergeron> Now with a new improved time! 19:01:20 <rbergeron> #topic Roll call :) 19:01:27 * jgreguske waves 19:01:29 <mgoldmann> /me is here 19:01:30 <brianlamere> my todo: doc will be done in half sec, will post link here 19:01:32 <brianlamere> here 19:01:32 <mgoldmann> uhm 19:01:44 <ksk1> here 19:02:05 * mmorsi says hi 19:02:06 * clalance here 19:02:19 <rbergeron> hey guys. :) 19:02:25 * rbergeron grins at brianlamere 19:03:47 * rbergeron looks for gholms, no sign 19:03:54 <rbergeron> how about a jforbes? 19:03:58 <rbergeron> :D 19:04:25 * ke4qqq pretends to be here 19:04:33 <rbergeron> hello mr. darcy 19:04:39 * rbergeron pretends to not see ke4qqq 19:04:40 * obino is here 19:04:44 <jdarcy> Howdy. 19:05:04 <rbergeron> :) 19:05:09 <rbergeron> Shall we begin? 19:05:31 * rbergeron shall start with .... aeolus first, since jforbes isn't here yet 19:05:35 <rbergeron> #topic Aeolus! 19:05:50 <rbergeron> mmorsi, clalance: how goes things? get any help with packages needing love? 19:06:08 <clalance> rbergeron: I poked some people internally the last couple of days. 19:06:19 <clalance> We've made some progress in getting more of our dependencies close to inclusion. 19:06:49 <rbergeron> woohoo! 19:07:01 <ke4qqq> is there a list of pkgs that needs review - I have some time this weekend 19:07:05 <clalance> We still have some things that are not submitted. 19:07:08 <clalance> ke4qqq: Yes, one second... 19:07:40 <clalance> http://aeolusproject.org/page/Packages_Missing_From_Fedora 19:07:54 <mmorsi> also sent some of them out to the cloud-sig list the other week http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2011-March/000563.html 19:08:15 * clalance realizes there is one missing there 19:08:57 <clalance> mmorsi: Any other news you want to share about the conductor proper? 19:09:00 <rbergeron> clalance, mmorsi: there used to be a similar list on the deltacloud wiki - is this a separate list from that list, or does this list replace that list? 19:09:09 <clalance> rbergeron: This one replaces the old one. 19:09:20 <clalance> rbergeron: deltacloud-core has been submitted for review. 19:09:25 <clalance> And has a reviewer, and is proceeding. 19:09:28 <mmorsi> nothing other than we just closed out another dev sprint (updated rpms coming to our yum repo soon), mostly bugfixes and wrapping up previous features, but we've simplified the application a bit (less independent / moving services) and tightened up the integration between bits 19:09:36 <clalance> So deltacloud proper (just the API bit) is more-or-less good to go. 19:09:49 <rbergeron> clalance: cool. :) 19:10:19 <clalance> Once we get the current round of dependencies in, I'll do another sweep to check for anything missing. 19:10:25 <rbergeron> though hard to test drive without the other bits, right? 19:10:55 <clalance> rbergeron: Well, all of the rest of the bits are available in our private repo: http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/aeolus 19:11:03 <clalance> rbergeron: Just not all of them have been submitted to fedora. 19:11:09 <rbergeron> ahhh. okay. 19:11:22 <clalance> (and some of them, like updated condor, just have to wait) 19:11:34 <rbergeron> right. 19:12:25 <rbergeron> (sorry, was cooking taquitos) ;) 19:12:32 <rbergeron> Anything else exciting? :) 19:13:03 <rbergeron> #info packages are still available for reviewing love, see link above or email from mmorsi to cloud@lists.fp.o last week 19:13:03 <clalance> rbergeron: There was the release of oz 0.2.0, but I sent that to the list. 19:13:15 <rbergeron> clalance: yup. :) very nice. 19:13:24 <rbergeron> we appreciate the updates and mailing list love. :) 19:13:35 <clalance> I think that is about it for now. 19:13:40 <mmorsi> ya nothing else on my end 19:14:02 <rbergeron> Awesome. Moving on! 19:14:06 <rbergeron> #topic EC2 19:14:10 <rbergeron> jforbes: you about yet? 19:14:35 * mgoldmann notices that EC2 is still working 19:14:37 <rbergeron> Well: I took one of my action items and made an EC2 "unspin" page. 19:14:46 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EC2_unspin 19:15:00 <rbergeron> So that we can at least start nailing down some of the things we need so that we can have a process of some sort. 19:15:15 <rbergeron> If we decide it does need to be a spin, then so be it, but for now, it's an unspin, which is the fabulous term i just invented. 19:15:26 <clalance> Love it. 19:15:27 <jgreguske> rbergeron: is there supposed to be content there? 19:15:28 <rbergeron> #info EC2 unspin page needs a lot of love. Please help! 19:15:40 <rbergeron> jgreguske: yes there is. It's just not there yet. :) 19:15:41 * thomasj lurks 19:15:52 <brianlamere> *bookmarks discussion tab 19:16:18 <rbergeron> hey thomasj. 19:16:26 <thomasj> o/ 19:16:49 <rbergeron> jgreguske: seriously, I'm the last person on earth with the brainpower to fill out some of the technical details there, so if you (or anyone else) has any thoughts or ideas, you know what they say. 19:16:56 <rbergeron> It's a wiki, be bold ;) 19:17:17 <rbergeron> s/has/have ... good god, bad grammar day 19:17:30 <rbergeron> brianlamere: i saw you alluding to some document you were writing? :) 19:17:33 <brianlamere> I am happy to put somewhere the reasons why it is important, and how people might use it 19:17:54 <brianlamere> yeah, emailed it to the list. I seemed to recall there being a todo for me to say what the actual testing plan was 19:18:14 <jforbes> Oh, right, forgot about the time 19:18:27 <brianlamere> it's not an overly detailed document, but can adjust if desired ;) 19:18:31 <rbergeron> hey jforbes. 19:18:39 <jforbes> heya 19:18:43 <rbergeron> it's friday! you know what that means. 19:18:43 * jforbes updates his calendar 19:18:46 <brianlamere> jforbes: remind me, did xsave get in to fedora? 19:19:00 <jforbes> brianlamere: umm, not sure 19:19:22 <brianlamere> jforbes: I remember talking about it, but not whether it actually did 19:19:49 <jforbes> brianlamere: dont think so actually 19:20:16 <brianlamere> I also note that you own "fix_xen_guest_on_old_EC2.patch" for fedora - or did, at least 19:20:26 <jforbes> brianlamere: correct 19:22:03 <rbergeron> ooooookay then 19:22:07 <jforbes> brianlamere: the problem is, EC2 has boxes which will not support it in the hypervisor 19:22:26 <rbergeron> jforbes: i did a ... umm... extremely basic ec2 unspin wiki page (link above), just as an FYI 19:22:27 <jforbes> brianlamere: so if it is enabled, the kernel just will not boot on more than 50% of EC2 hosts 19:22:41 <jforbes> rbergeron: cool, will take a look at it and fill in some details 19:22:56 <brianlamere> jforbes: hmm - so how are we getting around that problem for those? 19:23:08 <brianlamere> for the ones that need it, that is 19:23:14 <jforbes> brianlamere: fix_xen_guest_on_old_EC2.patch 19:23:22 <rbergeron> jforbes: and feel free to rearrange / do whatever - if it doesn't make sense, feel free to trim / delete. 19:23:23 <jforbes> brianlamere: we disable it for everything 19:24:45 <jforbes> rbergeron: will do 19:25:00 <brianlamere> ah yeah, ok - so the question then is that what caused the problem for Raphael as discussed on the list this morning? Since the pxeboot kernel image probably doesn't have it disabled? 19:25:27 <jforbes> brianlamere: all kernel images have it disabled 19:25:37 <jforbes> brianlamere: and have since an f12 update 19:25:52 <brianlamere> it isn't an installed image - fedora/linux/releases/test/15-Alpha/Fedora/i386/os/images/pxeboot/vmlinuz 19:26:17 <brianlamere> it's for the kickstart stuff Raphael was trying to do. just curious if that particular image might have gotten overlooked for that patch 19:26:20 <jforbes> brianlamere: there is no fedora kernel in existance currently supported which will use XSAVE when running as a xen guest 19:27:18 <brianlamere> ok, fair enough. just wasn't aware how those particular images get updated 19:27:41 <jforbes> we haven't built a kernel which allowed XSAVE for xen guests since F12 19:28:38 * rbergeron looks around for more comments 19:29:48 <rbergeron> okay then. 19:30:01 <rbergeron> Any other ec2 q's, comments, flames, etc? 19:30:13 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to mail list with link to unspin page 19:30:20 <brianlamere> lol - Justin seems pretty certain, I'll go with what he's saying ;) 19:30:26 * rbergeron grins 19:30:35 * jforbes just checked, the patch has not been disabled 19:31:53 <rbergeron> okay, then, moving onwards! 19:31:59 <rbergeron> #topic CloudFS 19:32:01 <brianlamere> I guess my uncertainty is I'm just not aware of what process actually creates the images in that directory on the CD/source, and thus whether the standard kernels have the patch wasn't something that necessarily followed through to that image having it as well. But I can accept that it does :) 19:32:04 <rbergeron> #undo 19:32:04 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x28a8b8d0> 19:32:05 <rbergeron> oops 19:32:08 <brianlamere> ah - sorry 19:32:12 <rbergeron> no worries :) 19:32:50 <jdarcy> I guess I need to bug Kaleb some more, though he might just have not seen the new meeting time. 19:32:59 <rbergeron> #topic CloudFS 19:33:05 <ksk1> I'm here 19:33:10 <jforbes> brianlamere: anaconda builds it, but it uses existing packages, they are not building a new kernel from scratch to do so 19:33:14 <jdarcy> Ahh, there you are. 19:33:26 <rbergeron> ah! hi ksk1 :) 19:33:31 * rbergeron didn't know that was you :) 19:33:35 <jdarcy> So, Kaleb's chugging along on spiffy new config/management stuff, should have something to demo Real Soon Now. 19:33:39 <rbergeron> welcome to the fun that is the cloud SIG meeting :) 19:33:56 <ksk1> I can show something on Monday 19:34:05 <jdarcy> I wrote a new at-rest encryption module, we'll see how that goes but it looks promising. 19:34:14 <rbergeron> woo! demos. 19:34:45 <jdarcy> And that's pretty much it, really. In another window I'm working on the magazine article about CloudFS. 19:35:15 <rbergeron> which magazine? 19:35:19 <jdarcy> Oh, and the team might grow a bit more in the next quarter or so. 19:35:37 <jdarcy> I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say. One you'll recognize. 19:36:00 <rbergeron> lol 19:36:10 * rbergeron wonders if it's one where she knows people, or not, but okay ;) 19:37:08 <rbergeron> alrighty. ksk1, glad to see you here, always good to have a few more folks. :) 19:37:20 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor 19:37:46 <brianlamere> fedora repos! 19:37:49 <mgoldmann> We need to update Cloud SIG wiki page, it's outdated 19:37:52 <ksk1> glad to be here. I changed my nic so the next time I'm on I won't be in stealth mode 19:38:09 * rbergeron grins 19:38:15 <rbergeron> mgoldmann: I think that's a good point. 19:38:25 <rbergeron> #info WIKI NEEDS LOVE 19:38:32 <rbergeron> Anyone interested in giving it a bit of love? 19:38:39 * rbergeron will be happy to update some stuff on there, at least meeting times :) 19:38:59 <mgoldmann> we shold move meeting minutes to another page I think 19:39:04 <mgoldmann> it's getting long 19:39:12 * rbergeron nods 19:39:27 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to update meeting times, move cloud SIG meeting logs to an alternate page. 19:39:56 <rbergeron> Any other suggestions? :) 19:39:59 <mgoldmann> we need to update the things we're working now and create maybe a done list too 19:40:25 <rbergeron> #idea update things we're working on now, perhaps create a done list too. 19:40:27 <mgoldmann> to sumarize our effort in one place 19:42:05 <rbergeron> brianlamere: fedora repos!... ?? 19:42:29 <brianlamere> ha - yeah, the little testing bit for s3cmd? 19:43:07 <brianlamere> a todo for the last couple months =D 19:43:29 <rbergeron> are we talking about the part with the testing and how much it costs and permissions and whatnot 19:44:25 <brianlamere> aye - the basic costs were listed previously, can re-include them there 19:45:17 <rbergeron> ohh, that's the mail you just sent. 19:45:19 <rbergeron> yes? 19:45:30 <brianlamere> issue was that I haven't had my own need for doing that large of a set yet, so really testing to see if it can handle it would be something I'd have to pay for my own 19:45:31 <brianlamere> yes 19:46:01 <brianlamere> if only there would be a large set of data I needed to do that same sort of info on anyway, I'd just do that to test. but that simply hasn't happened 19:46:14 <rbergeron> okay. can you maybe follow that up with a "why do we need to do this" so that I can make sure that max doesn't wonder why the bill went up? 19:46:18 <rbergeron> it doesn't need to be complicated 19:46:24 <rbergeron> unless that was in the previous mail you sent me 19:46:25 * rbergeron looks 19:46:47 <rbergeron> yeah, i have the costs, but not the why 19:47:20 <rbergeron> and then we can coordinate the whole permissions thing - either getting you permissions, or finding someone to do that stuff 19:47:29 <rbergeron> (a how-often will we do this would be nice too) 19:48:01 <rbergeron> sorry to be all bureaucratic :) 19:48:07 <brianlamere> the doc has a brief note on the purpose (first section) but I can shift the language to putting the high-level purpose first, then the test purpose section 19:48:11 <rbergeron> ohhh 19:48:25 <brianlamere> er...test purpose second 19:48:35 * rbergeron hasn't popped open the doc and looked at it all yet 19:50:16 <rbergeron> i'll wait a few days and see if anyone has comments, and then just check with max on the money angle. or whoever i'm supposed to check with. 19:50:54 <rbergeron> it definitely falls under the "little enough cost that we don't need to ask permission" but I just want to make it known that we're doing it, so it doesn't surprise anyone's monthly credit card bill. 19:51:05 <rbergeron> jforbes: you have the ec2 stuff off your card now and on spevack's, right? 19:51:14 <jforbes> rbergeron: nope 19:51:25 <rbergeron> ugh 19:51:37 <rbergeron> so that means we have two separate accounts still? 19:51:46 <jforbes> rbergeron: that wasn't going to happen, there is a seperate account that we use which has everything but the free for official images 19:52:20 <jforbes> Umm, we will always have 2 accounts, but this one has to have my card removed from it at some point. he said he had a link for that, but hasnt sent it, I will follow up 19:52:49 <rbergeron> #action jforbes to follow up with spevack on amazon account stuffz 19:53:15 <jforbes> heh, I even have financial incentive, supposed to be reimbursed for what I have paid already :) 19:53:31 <rbergeron> lol 19:53:49 <rbergeron> just have to get that expense report cranked out. SO FUN! 19:54:05 <jforbes> not even that, since that would go against my cost center... 19:54:10 <rbergeron> brianlamere: we'll get this fixed :) 19:54:12 <jforbes> just gotta forward him receipts :) 19:54:24 <brianlamere> no worries 19:54:32 <rbergeron> ah, yeah. unless it's over a certain amount and then you can have it moved to his cost center. :) 19:54:40 <rbergeron> but anyway :) 19:54:49 <rbergeron> Anyone else have anything to discuss? 19:54:54 <rbergeron> thanks mgoldmann for the wiki reminder :) 19:55:55 <ksk1> will these meetings be in Zimbra going forward? 19:56:28 <rbergeron> ksk1: I can create a zimbra invite, but I usually don't for community meetings since a lot of the folks here aren't in zimbra. 19:56:34 * rbergeron just adds it on her own to her own zimbra 19:56:48 <ksk1> rbergeron: okay 19:57:47 <rbergeron> Anything else? 19:58:04 <rbergeron> Alrighty then. 19:58:07 <rbergeron> thanks for coming, everyone! 19:58:20 <rbergeron> #endmeeting