05:01:07 <tagohx> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar 17 05:01:07 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagohx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:01:11 <tagohx> #meetingname i18n
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05:01:18 <tagohx> #topic agenda and roll call
05:01:26 <tagohx> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-03-17
05:03:26 <paragan> hi
05:03:33 <dueno> hi
05:03:37 <tagohx> #chair juhp
05:03:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp tagohx
05:03:47 <epico_laptop> hi
05:03:56 <juhp> hi
05:04:04 <tagohx> might be disconnected for scheduled power outage here, but anyway
05:04:13 <fujiwarat> hi
05:04:13 <juhp> ok let's hope not
05:04:46 <tagohx> ok, let's get started
05:04:54 <tagohx> #topic F15
05:06:26 <tagohx> we have 5 blocker bugs (3 modified 2 open) and 3 targets (1 on QA and 2 open)
05:07:03 * juhp notes that the docsbeat is now open for f15
05:07:04 <tagohx> and 66 rawhide bugs
05:07:20 <tagohx> juhp: aha. thanks
05:08:06 <pravins> hi
05:08:15 <juhp> maybe worthy of info :)
05:08:17 <tagohx> do we have anything particularly want to add to docs beat so far?
05:08:25 <juhp> #info docsbeat is now open for f15
05:08:33 <juhp> hmm dunno :)
05:08:52 <tagohx> pravins: any updates on feature?
05:08:56 <pravins> tagohx: yeah
05:09:02 <pravins> it is not 50% completed
05:09:10 <juhp> guess we should add something before beta... but can't think of anything off the top of my head
05:09:25 <pravins> yesterday i have build all packages for fedora
05:09:31 <pravins> s/not/now
05:09:49 <tagohx> juhp: ok
05:10:03 <tagohx> pravins: cool
05:10:06 <pravins> tagohx: just added test plan at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing-ITB
05:10:26 <pravins> very basic stage, i think will take help from QE team for improving testing plan
05:10:46 <tagohx> great
05:11:22 <tagohx> pravins: so what's next step to accomplish your feature then?
05:11:32 <pravins> testing and resolving bugs
05:11:53 <pravins> not much testing happened yet from language people (actual users)
05:12:25 <tagohx> aha
05:12:55 <pravins> i can work on other language as well but i think present very important stuff in knowledge awareness in opensource community about this new feature
05:13:51 <pravins> and also there are some bugs pending against ibus-indic-table https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&component=ibus-indic-table&product=Fedora&classification=Fedora
05:14:15 <pravins> waiting for naveen to resolve these
05:14:53 <pravins> tagohx: juhp: how much time do we have for feature completion, i.e. 100% status
05:15:17 <tagohx> by 29th of March
05:15:46 <juhp> ah yes
05:15:59 <pravins> aha, i think we can reach till 80 t 90% till that time
05:16:28 * juhp was getting confusing by "Development Ends" - seems a bit misleading
05:17:00 <juhp> pravins: then maybe you have to scale down your goals a bit if you want it approved for f15
05:17:11 <tagohx> right
05:17:15 <juhp> I think it has to be 100% by that date
05:17:21 <pravins> juhp: no props, will reduce scope
05:17:27 <juhp> give or take a day...
05:17:31 <pravins> actually i have added more steps for testing
05:17:32 <juhp> :)
05:17:54 <tagohx> apparently remaining tasks are bug fixes and testing. so dunno how it can be scaled down though
05:17:56 <pravins> i.e. alpha and beta testing (will merge it ;) )
05:18:06 <juhp> okay
05:18:19 <pravins> nice idea :)
05:19:16 <tagohx> all the features to be implemented are done right?
05:20:18 <pravins> only one, adding users phrases is remaining
05:20:23 <pravins> made changes to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicTypingBooster#Current_status
05:20:47 <pravins> .bug 683826
05:20:49 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 683826 adding users phrases - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683826
05:21:21 <tagohx> if it takes a time, maybe better postpone it?
05:22:00 <pravins> tagohx: will ask naveen once, if it is we can sure (may be can push as a update in f15)
05:22:37 <tagohx> ok
05:23:03 <tagohx> yeah, we could push updates later as needed
05:23:20 <tagohx> anything else for f15?
05:24:56 <pravins> thanks tagohx juhp
05:25:47 <tagohx> guess better move on then
05:25:51 <tagohx> #topic Package Updates
05:26:37 * epico_laptop did some clean up tasks on cjkuni-uming-fonts and cjkuni-ukai-fonts.
05:27:09 <epico_laptop> removed fonts.dir, fonts.scale and 25-ttf-arphic-(ukai|uming)-render.conf from rpm.
05:27:14 <tagohx> epico_laptop: cool. how was the outcome to get rid of upstream fontconfig config file?
05:27:39 <epico_laptop> tagohx: I think it doesn't affects the result.
05:27:45 <tagohx> aha
05:28:03 <juhp> I have a gettext update in bodhi for f14 but it is just a trivial license tag change and has already be tested by two proventesters :)
05:28:09 <tagohx> is it for f15 only? or f13 and f14 too?
05:28:26 <tagohx> juhp: aha. cool
05:28:26 <epico_laptop> As it is about Traditional Chinese, could some one help check it?
05:28:34 <epico_laptop> for both f15 and f14.
05:28:44 <tagohx> aha
05:29:38 <tagohx> that may be a bit sensitive so need native testers to check I suppose
05:29:41 <juhp> epico_laptop: can you ask dchen maybe?
05:29:53 <epico_laptop> ok.
05:29:55 <juhp> and/or fedora-zh perhaps?
05:30:45 <nkumar> hi
05:30:50 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: could you help me check this when you have spare time?
05:31:06 <tagohx> may be good to call for testers widely to make sure if this change won't make any regressions
05:31:37 <tagohx> anything else?
05:33:10 <pravins> need karma
05:33:18 <pravins> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hindi-typing-booster-0.0.1-1.fc15
05:33:19 <pravins> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/marathi-typing-booster-0.0.1-1.fc15
05:33:19 <pravins> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gujarati-typing-booster-0.0.1-1.fc15
05:33:39 <nkumar> I am working on fixing all ibus-indic-table bugs for typing boosters
05:33:39 <pravins> does new package requires karma?
05:33:48 <epico_laptop> need karma, too.
05:33:54 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, sure
05:33:56 <juhp> pravins: currently testing repo is on by default though
05:34:08 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: thanks
05:34:15 <tagohx> juhp: yeah
05:34:20 <pravins> juhp: aha, that's nice
05:34:23 <juhp> for f15 I mean
05:34:31 <dueno> ditto :) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/thai-scalable-fonts-0.4.15-1.fc15
05:34:33 <juhp> yeah until beta I think
05:34:53 <tagohx> so just need to announce to get some feedbacks on typing booster
05:35:02 <juhp> and no harm to test packages for a week if they are not urgent
05:35:05 <epico_laptop> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cjkuni-uming-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-47.fc14
05:35:21 <epico_laptop> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cjkuni-uming-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-47.fc15
05:35:29 <epico_laptop> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cjkuni-ukai-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-47.fc14
05:35:37 <epico_laptop> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/cjkuni-ukai-fonts-0.2.20080216.1-47.fc15
05:36:04 <juhp> epico_laptop: certainly i think a week or more of testing would be good in your case
05:36:22 <tagohx> right
05:36:38 <dingyichen> It's quite hard to pay attention on both meetings simultaneously. :-P
05:37:05 <tagohx> pravins: have you updated comps yet?
05:37:07 <tagohx> btw
05:37:10 <juhp> dingyichen: yeah don't worry too much - maybe you can tell the other organiser this meeting is older ;)
05:37:22 <epico_laptop> juhp: I see.
05:37:23 <dingyichen> epico_laptop, it is f15 to be test?
05:38:15 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: it is for both f14 and f15. maybe you can install it, and use it for a week or so.
05:38:15 <pravins> tagohx: not yet, will do that today itself
05:38:32 <tagohx> ok
05:38:43 <pravins> i thought we need to wait for package to get push in stable repo
05:38:51 <tagohx> anything else before moving next topic?
05:39:04 <epico_laptop> dingyichen: I will use it also.
05:39:25 <tagohx> pravins: guess you can do for f15 at least
05:39:38 <pravins> aha, ok will do that now
05:39:57 <tagohx> ok, shall we move on
05:40:04 <tagohx> #topic Input Method
05:40:32 <tagohx> 37 bugs filed against IM now
05:41:26 <tagohx> fujiwarat: any updates on ibus and gnome-shell btw?
05:41:55 <tagohx> we could move this topic into f15 perhaps, but anyway
05:42:31 <juhp> maybe good
05:42:41 <fujiwarat> Yes, last week I updated the patch and I got the better feedback. Yesterday I also updated the patch again. We start to discuss if the ibus can be integrated into gnome-shell.
05:42:55 <tagohx> aha
05:43:10 <juhp> fujiwarat: so in terms of F15Beta how do we stand?
05:43:45 <fujiwarat> Personally I'd like to integrate it in beta.
05:44:17 <juhp> is there much code on the gnome-shell side?
05:44:51 <juhp> (that needs changing)
05:45:15 <fujiwarat> We are still discussing the several bugs but maintainers said overall is fine.
05:45:16 <juhp> s/changing/adding/?
05:45:38 <juhp> fujiwarat: so we can expect it to land soon? :)
05:46:22 <fujiwarat> We start to discuss gnome-release engineers if the integration is ok.
05:46:38 <juhp> I am little worried about missing beta... but if we miss GA that would be quite bad
05:46:45 <tagohx> which milestone does upstream expect to see this fix on now?
05:47:08 <tagohx> juhp: yeah
05:47:17 <juhp> fujiwarat: just changes to ibus are insufficient right?
05:47:33 <juhp> to fix the panel problem I mean
05:47:54 <fujiwarat> Yeah, we also discuss which is better for GNOME 3.0.
05:48:42 <juhp> less than two week to Beta freeze - so if we don't know by next week I will be quite concerned
05:48:43 <tagohx> maybe need to think about the fallback idea like any chance to get this fix for fedora specific in f15?
05:48:50 <fujiwarat> As you may know, current my patch is ibus integration with shell appearance.
05:48:52 <juhp> right
05:49:05 <juhp> fujiwarat: not good enough?
05:49:46 * juhp has tested gnome-shell for a while...
05:49:50 <juhp> hasn't
05:50:00 <fujiwarat> It's good however there are several small bugs.
05:50:28 <juhp> do you have a list?
05:50:40 <juhp> can they be fixed later?
05:50:55 <tagohx> thought you had an idea to make this fix as subpackage in ibus. does it still work for workaround?
05:51:11 <juhp> aha - had forgotten about that
05:52:00 <fujiwarat> Yes, it works however it requires g-s codes are modified by user.
05:52:15 <tagohx> aha. hmm
05:52:16 <juhp> fujiwarat: if you current ibus code is workable then I would suggest to push to f15 asap possible then at least we have that in place for beta while gnome3 settles
05:52:33 <juhp> fujiwarat: oh
05:53:07 <fujiwarat> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#GNOME-Shell
05:53:22 <fujiwarat> So I think the current workaround is not good.
05:53:26 <juhp> js code patches?
05:53:29 <juhp> okay
05:53:33 <juhp> right
05:53:34 <tagohx> agreed
05:54:08 <fujiwarat> I'll try to push the integration tomorrow or next week.
05:54:10 <juhp> perhaps we should propose it as a beta blocker?
05:54:24 <juhp> to get it more "attention"
05:54:44 <tagohx> is it 657165?
05:54:47 <tagohx> or anything else?
05:54:52 <juhp> .bug 657165
05:54:54 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 657165 [gnome3] ibus applet appearing in bottom popup notification area not panel - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657165
05:54:58 <juhp> yes
05:55:10 <tagohx> it's in blocker already
05:55:14 <juhp> not sure it will get accepted though ;)
05:55:16 <juhp> yep
05:55:30 <tagohx> nod
05:56:09 <juhp> fujiwarat: who are you colloborating with upstream btw?
05:57:03 <juhp> anyway really hope we see a resolution soon
05:57:09 <juhp> fujiwarat: thanks for pushing on it
05:57:12 <fujiwarat> otaylor from redhat and scampa.giovanni from community.
05:57:17 <juhp> aha yes
05:57:30 <tagohx> ok, anything else on IM?
05:58:26 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641531
05:59:30 <tagohx> thanks. added an external link on our bugzilla
06:00:01 <tagohx> let's move on then.
06:00:13 <tagohx> #topic Fonts and Rendering
06:00:43 <tagohx> 36+28 bugs against fonts and rendering so far.
06:00:47 <juhp> thanks
06:01:13 <tagohx> how's liberation and lohit going?
06:03:32 <juhp> dueno took over ownership of thai-scalable-fonts btw
06:03:40 <tagohx> aha
06:03:54 <tagohx> dueno: thanks :)
06:04:23 <dueno> welcome :)
06:05:06 <tagohx> #topic others
06:05:12 <tagohx> anything else before closing this meeting?
06:05:47 <tagohx> if not, let's close the meeting shortly
06:07:24 <tagohx> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:07:28 <tagohx> #endmeeting