05:02:38 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:02:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Mar  3 05:02:38 2011 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:45 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
05:02:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:02:53 <tagoh> #topic agenda and roll call
05:03:05 <tagoh> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2011-03-03
05:03:37 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:03:53 <juhp> hi!
05:04:24 <tagoh> Pune is in holiday. so I think people from Pune may be away
05:04:26 * Alam here
05:04:27 <epico_laptop> hi
05:04:45 <dueno> hi
05:06:54 <tagoh> hi
05:07:22 <tagoh> ok, let's get started
05:07:28 <tagoh> #topic f15
05:09:00 <tagoh> just had a talk to pravins this morning about updating the feature page. he will do that tomorrow
05:10:11 <tagoh> the test day event for i18n desktop is on-going. please join if you like.
05:11:17 <tagoh> for schedule, please note that only alpha has been slipped and no affects to other milestones.
05:12:20 <juhp> yes!
05:12:23 <dingyichen> hi
05:12:26 <tagoh> any concerns on f15 so far?
05:13:14 <tagoh> we may get some on test event perhaps though ;)
05:15:05 <tagoh> we'll have another test event at 8th of March for l10n. fyi
05:15:15 <juhp> aha
05:15:35 <juhp> Alam: has it already started?  today/tomorrow?
05:15:57 <tagoh> today for i18n
05:16:06 <juhp> okay
05:16:36 <juhp> channel?
05:16:43 <Alam> #fedora-test-day
05:17:25 <juhp> thanks
05:17:28 <tagoh> anything else for f15?
05:17:49 <juhp> any bugs? :)
05:18:20 <tagoh> still have 1 blocker and 3 targets
05:19:12 <juhp> hmm gucharmap crashed
05:19:23 <juhp> fonts rendering looks a bit different in f15?
05:19:36 <tagoh> 66 bugs on rawhide that may be potentially escalated to a blocker or target perhaps
05:20:11 <tagoh> juhp: it's a known issue
05:20:15 <juhp> aha
05:20:40 <tagoh> .bug 676253
05:20:45 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 676253 [abattis-cantarell-fonts] causes tiny characters of desktop fonts - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=676253
05:21:49 <juhp> hmm
05:21:55 <juhp> thanks
05:22:29 <tagoh> may still need to triage rawhide bugs to improve f15 I suppose
05:23:44 <tagoh> any volunteers to do that are always welcome :)
05:24:12 <tagoh> anything else otherwise let's move on
05:24:29 <juhp> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/abattis-cantarell-fonts-0.0.1-4.fc15
05:24:42 <juhp> yes would be good
05:25:15 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:25:54 <tagoh> I think all of f15 packages in pending for stable should be pushed now
05:26:09 <epico_laptop> updated ibus-pinyin and ibus-xkbc for Fedora 15.
05:26:16 <epico_laptop> in testing repo.
05:26:22 <juhp> might be good to help https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/abattis-cantarell-fonts-0.0.1-4.fc15
05:26:33 <tagoh> juhp: yep
05:28:04 <juhp> hmm seems already build in f15
05:28:10 <juhp> newer build
05:28:28 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-pinyin-1.3.99.20110217-2.fc15
05:28:30 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-xkbc-1.3.3.20100922-1.fc15
05:28:35 <tagoh> is it?
05:28:36 <epico_laptop> yes
05:28:42 <tagoh> ok
05:29:04 <tagoh> juhp: aha
05:29:41 <tagoh> ok, anything else need for testing?
05:31:10 <tagoh> ok, let's move on then
05:31:13 <dueno> packaged new ibus-hangul release https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ibus-hangul-1.3.1-1.fc15
05:31:35 <tagoh> dueno: aha. ok
05:31:45 <tagoh> #topic Input Method
05:31:59 <tagoh> any updates for IM?
05:32:57 <tagoh> dueno: not yet tried new eekboard though I'm excited to see my RFEs in new release :) thanks
05:34:19 <fujiwarat> The Discussion with g-s and ibus maintainers is so so good.
05:34:24 <dueno> tagoh: thanks for filing them
05:35:58 <tagoh> fujiwarat: any updates on that since last week? thought it was gjs things on ibus will be merged upstream?
05:38:07 <fujiwarat> We agreed the gjs part to upstream in g-s and I have removed gtk related codes in the files and adding some dbus signals.
05:38:31 <fujiwarat> The patch is not upstreamed yet but good progress, I think.
05:38:34 <tagoh> dingyichen: how's ibus-chewing going on?
05:39:08 <tagoh> fujiwarat: sounds good. thanks
05:41:06 <tagoh> anything else?
05:42:39 <tagoh> guess better move on
05:42:50 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:44:46 <epico_laptop> Is it time to release ukij-tuz-fonts, sil-nuosu-fonts and manchu-fonts for Fedora 13/14/15 updates?
05:45:00 <juhp> epico_laptop: sure why not? :)
05:45:10 <epico_laptop> OK. just asked.
05:45:12 <juhp> still in testing?
05:45:17 <tagoh> well fixed fontforge has been pushed to stable so we can go ahead to fix some bugs preventing to get fixed in
05:45:44 <epico_laptop> just finished rhel build in koji for ukij-tuz-fonts, recently.
05:46:09 <tagoh> epel you mean?
05:46:14 <epico_laptop> yes.
05:46:27 <dychen> tagoh, I am current investigate the libchewing update, and see how much my previous patches are still working.
05:46:44 <tagoh> dychen: ok, good
05:47:14 <tagoh> dychen: so new one has a lot of changes now?
05:48:15 <dychen> tagoh, yeah.
05:48:22 <tagoh> aha
05:49:17 <dychen> tagoh, It has been nearly 3 years since the last upstream release.
05:49:30 <tagoh> wow
05:50:45 <tagoh> ok, anything else for fonts and rendering?
05:51:26 <tagoh> not seeing any updates on fontconfig but it may be too late for f15 but anyway
05:52:22 <tagoh> we could get more updates for liberation and lohit in next meeting perhaps
05:53:12 <tagoh> #topic others
05:53:34 <tagoh> ok, anything else you want to discuss before stop the meeting?
05:53:52 <Alam> I just want to know about Lang selection in Live ISO?
05:54:11 <Alam> currently GDM provide no way to select lang,
05:54:26 <Alam> you need to login->change lang->logout->login again
05:54:36 <tagoh> right
05:55:18 <Alam> any plan to change it?
05:55:56 <Alam> this way we need to create lang specific ISO like previously
05:56:37 <Alam> Is there any way to set lang at grub? like ubuntu or opensuse
05:57:15 <tagoh> .bug 646460
05:57:17 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 646460 at login users can't choose theit keyboard or their language - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646460
05:58:28 <Alam> bug is for f13,
05:58:30 <juhp> Alam: will I sympathize and agree
05:58:40 <juhp> though frankly most users just login anyway ;o)
05:58:52 <tagoh> Alam: though I think you can give a lang with LANG= in the kernel parameters but I think it will be overridden with something in /etc/sysconfig/i18n
05:59:00 <juhp> hm
05:59:08 <juhp> s/will/well/
05:59:25 <juhp> if they can find the menu items ;-)
06:00:49 <tagoh> Alam: that's what triggering 663900 on vt
06:01:01 <Alam> ok
06:02:15 <tagoh> maybe better filing for regression. then maintainer may give you a comment on this change..
06:02:26 <Alam> do we need to change priority for this bug
06:03:49 <tagoh> Alam: I added this vt issue on antoher bug to F15Target though, we could mark it as dup of 663900 and add it to target instead?
06:04:39 <Alam> pls do
06:05:18 <tagoh> discussion on 663900 seems stalled. so I'm suspecting we won't get it fixed in f15 timeframe. so fixing grubby may be realistic
06:05:27 <Alam> but it is only for CIJK, right?
06:05:38 <tagoh> yes
06:05:42 <Alam> yes, nobody reply
06:05:48 <juhp> nod
06:05:49 <juhp> lol
06:06:00 <juhp> I would call it ignored more than stalled :)
06:06:08 <Alam> :)
06:06:33 <tagoh> juhp: for grubby right but it was actively discussed in the past ;)
06:06:42 <juhp> ah ok sorry
06:07:46 <tagoh> is it worth bringing up to the blocker?
06:07:47 <Alam> for Live ISO Language, need to do something else
06:08:15 <juhp> tagoh: hmm maybe
06:08:42 <tagoh> dunno how important vt is on fedora though
06:09:34 <tagoh> anyway
06:09:58 <juhp> I guess we need a patch for bug 652513 - perhaps I can try to look at it next week
06:10:16 <juhp> true
06:10:32 <tagoh> juhp: yeah, that would be a good idea
06:10:38 <juhp> no bug for gdm side?
06:10:47 <juhp> I guess "fixing" gdm would be better
06:11:10 <tagoh> yeah
06:11:53 <tagoh> hm, that may means "changing language on gdm" is a corner case then? ;)
06:12:03 <Alam> yes, but do gnome team has plan this way? may plan like apple:)
06:12:44 <tagoh> anyway, let's file a bug and see how they think about it
06:12:48 <juhp> Alam: macos?
06:12:57 <Alam> yes
06:13:01 <juhp> okay - who's going to file the bug?
06:13:08 <Alam> can I ?
06:13:13 <juhp> sure :)
06:13:27 <Alam> :)
06:13:31 <juhp> upstream too perhaps?
06:13:37 <juhp> thanks!
06:13:39 <tagoh> yeah, that would be better
06:13:39 <Alam> possible
06:14:06 <juhp> if it is not upstream doubt it will get into 3.0
06:14:17 <tagoh> nod
06:14:33 <tagoh> ok, better stop the meeting here.
06:16:12 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting! I'm looking forward to see more testers to join the test day event for i18n :)
06:16:20 <tagoh> #endmeeting