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02:00:26 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements
02:00:40 * nb 
02:00:43 <StabbyMc> Hi everyone, I'm guest chairing for lcafiero tonight.
02:00:53 <nb> oh, no rollcall, sorry
02:00:54 * mock 
02:01:10 * mock is here anyway
02:01:10 * StabbyMc 
02:01:16 <StabbyMc> So roll-call is back?
02:01:26 <s3cur17y> here
02:01:31 <nb> StabbyMc, lol i don't think so,
02:01:37 <nb> i forgot we didnt do rollcall
02:01:45 * lcafiero says we normally dispense with the roll call
02:01:47 <StabbyMc> Way to take advantage of the sub nb.
02:01:53 <nb> StabbyMc, :)
02:01:57 <StabbyMc> Ok, so topic is announcements.
02:01:59 * lcafiero thanks StabbyMc for chairing tonight while I recover from FUDCon
02:02:02 <StabbyMc> So who's got announcements?
02:02:20 <inode0> Ambassadors were disbanded at FUDCon and we can all go home now
02:02:27 * nb should keep his mouth shut so he doesn't confuse the chair anymore
02:02:30 <lcafiero> Weather permitting
02:02:45 <lcafiero> SCALE is Feb. 25-27
02:02:56 <s3cur17y> yeah the weather is nasty here in ohio
02:03:04 <lcafiero> That's the only announcement I have.
02:04:07 <StabbyMc> Isn't SCALE in the LA area?
02:04:12 <nb> ILF is coming soon
02:04:21 <nb> March 20something i think
02:04:21 <lcafiero> Yes, Southern California Linux Expo = SCALE
02:04:42 * StabbyMc boggles at a weather that would prevent it from happening.
02:04:51 <StabbyMc> Are Earthquakes considered "weather"?
02:05:02 * inode0 thinks we aren't paying close attention to announcements in this channel
02:05:20 * lcafiero was referring to inode0's comment about disbanded ambassadors when he made the weather comment
02:05:36 <lcafiero> Not SoCal -- It'll be really nice down in LA in late Feb.
02:05:37 * rbergeron yawns
02:05:40 <s3cur17y> I really want to go to ILF but, I don't think the funds would permit it.  have to get a room for the wife and son
02:05:56 <StabbyMc> what's ILF?
02:06:03 <nb> Indiana Linux Fest
02:06:05 <lcafiero> Indiana Linux Fest
02:06:11 <lcafiero> nb types faster than I do
02:06:14 <nb> :)
02:06:16 <StabbyMc> Funny, I don't see it on the events page ...
02:06:26 <nb> it has a wiki page somewhere, let me look
02:06:29 <nb> pcalarco made it
02:06:43 <nb> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ILF_2011
02:06:44 * lcafiero will remind pcaralco to make sure there's one.
02:06:55 <lcafiero> Ah, there it is
02:07:03 <StabbyMc> KK, I guess we can talk about it in Events, if it's needed.
02:07:09 <StabbyMc> Any other announcements?
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02:08:02 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events
02:08:14 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
02:08:29 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events (Fedora Activity Day SCALE)
02:08:44 <StabbyMc> lcafiero, vwbusguy, is this your agenda item?
02:09:17 <lcafiero> Yes.
02:09:26 <lcafiero> I can take that one
02:10:07 <lcafiero> The FAD at SCALE is going to be around a study group for the RHCSA and RHCE tests
02:10:28 <lcafiero> The Red Hat Certified Systems Administrator and Red Hat Certified Engineer.
02:10:58 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: have you or herlo gotten in touch with Randy Russell from RH yet?
02:11:29 <lcafiero> At FUDCon we are discussing a proposal for some Fedorans who have been active for a year or more to study and eventually take the test(s).
02:11:55 <lcafiero> I would assume so, StabbyMc -- part of our hacking on Monday dealt with the propsal for Red Hat's approval.
02:12:43 <lcafiero> I think herlo has a green light from someone, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it.
02:12:59 <StabbyMc> Ok, good.  I can't stress enough how important that it is that whatever session information is presented is pre-approved by RH first.  Without that, it could be the case that all participating RHCEs could have their certificates revoked.
02:13:04 <lcafiero> Right.
02:13:19 <lcafiero> We have to couch this as a "study group" and not a "class," for obvious reasons
02:13:45 <inode0> not mentioning RHCE might help too :)
02:13:48 <StabbyMc> As long as you stick to the topics on the published, public Prep Guide, there shouldn't be a problem.
02:14:04 <lcafiero> The proposal was hammered out on Monday at FUDCon and we're still waiting for Red Hat's imprimatur
02:14:13 <lcafiero> I believe that's the plan, StabbyMc
02:14:25 <StabbyMc> Cool.
02:14:39 <lcafiero> So that's on Friday, Feb. 25, all day at SCALE
02:15:18 <StabbyMc> On a personal note, I'm still confused why the Fedora Community is sponsoring an event that helps people study for a certification exam based on RHEL...
02:15:40 <StabbyMc> I feel it could contribute to brand confusion.
02:16:02 <lcafiero> Pity herlo's not here to explain
02:16:15 * inode0 is confused too honestly
02:16:33 <inode0> I see it as obviously a nice thing for Fedora people though
02:17:10 <lcafiero> As I understand it -- and I'm on a lot of cold medication -- it affords those who have been working with the Fedora project and are not certified to get certified, as well as Red Hat getting some marketing value in the process
02:17:53 <lcafiero> With the idea of those who get certified to continue to work on Fedora, from which Red Hat benefits
02:18:02 <StabbyMc> We are not offering the RHCE exam as part of the FAD right?
02:18:07 <lcafiero> No.
02:18:22 <lcafiero> Not at SCALE, I should say.
02:18:40 <StabbyMc> We're planning on that elsewhere?
02:20:15 <StabbyMc> Ok, well lets move on to the next item on the agenda.
02:20:15 <lcafiero> Yes, but for all intents and purposes for SCALE, that's about the size of it.
02:20:19 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events (Fudcon Report)
02:20:20 <lcafiero> Let's.
02:21:17 <StabbyMc> I don't know who's item this is.
02:21:21 <StabbyMc> So come on down!
02:21:50 <lcafiero> That was me. I was going to open it to anyone who attended who had anything to say.
02:22:39 <rbergeron> good job to whoever did that
02:22:42 <rbergeron> oh wait
02:22:45 <rbergeron> :) lol
02:23:00 <lcafiero> Of course, the folks who put it on deserve our enduring appreciation.
02:23:08 <lcafiero> As if that needs saying.
02:23:08 <StabbyMc> No takers?
02:24:03 <lcafiero> The Ambassadors had a session where we hashed out which events -- tech and non-tech -- we should focus on going forward.
02:24:11 <lcafiero> I'm hoping there's a report of that somewhere.
02:24:14 <lcafiero> I don't have it.
02:25:20 <lcafiero> And did I mention the folks who put on FUDCon - rbergeron and rrix and others -- did an excellent job?
02:25:23 * nb wonders if budget for ILF has been discussed
02:25:43 <lcafiero> I talked to pcalarco at FUDCon about it at moderate length.
02:26:03 <lcafiero> It was one of the topics discussed in the session.
02:26:20 <lcafiero> though budgets weren't specifically talked about
02:26:35 <StabbyMc> Anything else interesting from Fudcon for those of us who didn't attend?
02:27:24 <StabbyMc> 5
02:27:27 * lcafiero thinks FUDPub is a test to see who can work hung over the next day
02:27:32 <StabbyMc> 4
02:27:37 <lcafiero> (but I don't know that from experience)
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02:28:00 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review
02:28:07 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review (SCALE Sponsorship/Budget)
02:28:17 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: this is another one of yours I think.
02:28:40 <lcafiero> Yep. Hang on while I go to the scale wiki page
02:29:55 <lcafiero> here's the link
02:30:00 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCALE_9X_Event
02:30:09 <s3cur17y> still here
02:30:29 <StabbyMc> So it wasn't just me then?
02:30:58 <s3cur17y> :)
02:31:11 <lcafiero> We have a time issue here, and with FUDCon and other issues cropping up in January, vwbusguy and I haven't had a chance to hash this out completely.
02:31:42 <lcafiero> But we're looking at $2,920 for SCALE as outlined on the draft budget chart on this page
02:32:17 <lcafiero> And it is yet to be determined from which "pocket" -- CommArch or others -- some of the expenditures are coming from
02:33:15 <lcafiero> For example, quaid's funding may come from elsewhere, as it did last year, because he's doing something that I believe is RH/Teaching the Open Source Way related, as opposed to Fedora related
02:33:31 <lcafiero> So the Fedora's share of that will be less.
02:34:30 <lcafiero> So I guess perhaps we should probably bring this back for approval at the next meeting, but I wanted to give everyone an idea how much we plan to spend.
02:35:07 <StabbyMc> ack
02:35:16 * nb is +1
02:35:18 <lcafiero> At the most, because some of these items may be funded from other sources
02:35:24 <lcafiero> ack?
02:35:31 <StabbyMc> acknowledged
02:35:32 <nb> looks like we are working ok budget wise
02:35:34 <lcafiero> Ok
02:35:43 <lcafiero> I thought you choked on something :-)
02:35:48 <nb> lol
02:35:51 <lcafiero> Right.
02:36:03 <StabbyMc> Strangely, if I was choking, I don't think I'd be asking for help here ;-)
02:36:11 <lcafiero> And I don't know what we spent for things like the FAD dinner -- it could be less than what we have budgeted here.
02:36:19 <StabbyMc> s3cur17y: you were talking about ILF earlier?
02:36:28 <s3cur17y> yes
02:37:10 <nb> so far that makes 4 of us i've heard of wanting to go i think, pcalarco, ke4qqq (i think), myself, and s3cur17y
02:37:20 <lcafiero> I believe that's right.
02:37:33 <StabbyMc> So someone is working on a proposal for funding from Max?
02:37:37 <nb> it looks like it's been decided to do a $1000 bronze sponsorship
02:37:45 <lcafiero> For ILF? That would be pascal
02:37:54 <lcafiero> Right.
02:38:05 <lcafiero> nb^^^
02:38:07 <nb> # Sponsorship: $1,000+
02:38:08 <nb> # Booth: $75 (confirmed; included in sponsorship)
02:38:08 <nb> # Power: $15 (confirmed)
02:38:08 <nb> # free wifi (confirmed)
02:38:08 <nb> # Hotel (pcalarco) 3/25, 3/26: $250 ($109 + tax)
02:38:08 <nb> # Supporter pass: $65
02:38:18 <nb> that's what pcalarco has on the wiki
02:38:27 <lcafiero> Right. That will probably change
02:38:40 <nb> yeah, hotel and passes will go up, since we'd have more people going
02:38:46 <inode0> yes, add nb to all those things that apply to him too
02:38:50 <nb> and potentially a rental car so i can go and take the event box
02:38:55 <nb> and gas
02:39:05 <lcafiero> I told pcalarco to factor in enough rooms for people
02:39:12 <lcafiero> as well as some travel expenses.
02:40:32 <lcafiero> What it looks like is a room for pascal and roommate, s3cur17y and family, nb and roommate, or something to that effect.
02:40:42 <lcafiero> Also, I don't think you're going to need passes if we're sponsoring.
02:40:50 <lcafiero> If we do, that would be sort of stupid.
02:40:58 <nb> lcafiero, passes are not "required"
02:41:07 <nb> they give you a tshirt is mainly the difference
02:41:20 <nb> you can register for free, or register as a supporter (no matter if you are a sponsor or not)
02:41:24 <lcafiero> What I mean is that we should get passes, if need be, by virtue of sponsorship
02:41:32 <lcafiero> we = Fedora
02:41:36 <nb> lcafiero, yeah
02:42:46 <lcafiero> Those who are going, or want to go, should update the wiki where applicable for ILF
02:43:15 <lcafiero> So pascal (and I) have a better idea of what needs to be allocated
02:43:28 <lcafiero> Same for the SCALE budget page as well.
02:43:58 <StabbyMc> On that note, it's getting towards the end of the meeting, so lets do our final topic.
02:44:00 <nb> lcafiero, done
02:44:04 <lcafiero> Excellent
02:44:04 <StabbyMc> #topic NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinished Business/Open Floor
02:45:44 * lcafiero has said just about everything he needs to say.
02:45:48 <lcafiero> surprisingly
02:45:50 <StabbyMc> How we doing on SWAG?
02:45:56 <lcafiero> I'm OK.
02:46:26 <lcafiero> I could use some shirts because we gave away a significant amount at LISA, so ke4qqq owes me :-)
02:46:47 * nb has plenty swag although will be taking stuff to ILF
02:46:47 <lcafiero> But I'm good in other stuff for SCALE and LFNW
02:47:37 <lcafiero> Is anyone going to own Texas Linux Fest this year?
02:47:43 <lcafiero> This came up at FUDCon.
02:47:52 <lcafiero> We have folks in the Lone Star State who can do it.
02:48:21 * lcafiero will send a message to the list.
02:49:15 <StabbyMc> Well maxamillion is now in Austin.
02:49:32 <StabbyMc> and dduncan did it last year IIRC.
02:50:01 <lcafiero> I'll ping them
02:51:41 <lcafiero> Oh, and rbergeron did a great job organizing FUDCon.
02:52:14 * StabbyMc pats rbergeron on the back.
02:52:42 <lcafiero> "great" is a huge understatement
02:53:05 <lcafiero> Anyone else?
02:53:12 * lcafiero forgets, he's not chairing.
02:53:17 <lcafiero> Sorry.
02:53:19 <StabbyMc> I don't know if this is the right forum, but I'm somewhat disappointed in the amount of travel ambassadors are doing on Fedora's dime.
02:53:40 <StabbyMc> I understand it for shows where it's big and we don't have a resident amb.
02:53:43 <lcafiero> Well, funny you should say that, since we talked a bit about that at FUDCon
02:54:08 <StabbyMc> what was the consensus?
02:54:27 <lcafiero> Well, let me back up -- =I= talked about that with other ambassadors personally
02:54:56 <StabbyMc> Ok, to what end?
02:55:17 <lcafiero> Getting people to places where they need to be and getting "new faces" to places where there are shows.
02:55:25 <lcafiero> especially the latter.
02:56:04 <inode0> getting people who are doing something fairly substantial to the success of the show for Fedora ++
02:56:07 <lcafiero> Do you think there's too much or not enough?
02:56:17 <StabbyMc> Maybe I'm just confuddled, but what benefit is sending an amb to another area of the country?  I would rather one that is already hooked into the local OSS community be our rep at a con.
02:56:19 <lcafiero> Yeah, what inode0 said
02:56:34 <lcafiero> Yep, which is why you won't see me at ILF.
02:56:42 * inode0 thinks we do go way beyond that to be honest
02:57:04 <lcafiero> I think we have the geographic representation to cover all areas.
02:57:19 <lcafiero> It's just a matter of getting people plugged in.
02:57:32 <inode0> but we have pretty much been down this path, folks draw lines a bit differently, let's get along :)
02:57:48 <StabbyMc> Ok, then if there are no other open floor items, I'll call it.
02:57:53 <lcafiero> OK
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02:58:23 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting