04:43:00 <dramsey> #startmeeting APAC meeting 2011-01-15
04:43:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jan 15 04:43:00 2011 UTC.  The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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04:43:02 <kaio_tab> Affirmative.
04:43:07 <dramsey> #meetingname APAC
04:43:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'apac'
04:43:12 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
04:43:14 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
04:43:15 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
04:43:19 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:43:20 <kaio_tab> .fasinfo kaio
04:43:23 <zodbot> kaio_tab: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
04:43:27 <zodbot> kaio_tab: Unapproved Groups: art
04:43:31 <zodbot> kaio_tab: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh
04:43:38 <dramsey> #chair kaio_tab lcafiero FranciscoD yshao
04:43:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero yshao
04:43:44 <dramsey> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2011-01-15#Agenda
04:43:47 <dramsey> Hello Everyone.
04:43:55 <kaio_tab> Hi
04:43:56 <dramsey> #topic Ambassador Pinging
04:44:04 <FranciscoD> Good morning
04:46:07 <dramsey> #topic News from FAmSCo
04:46:38 <dramsey> Any news or next topic?
04:48:05 <kaio_tab> Fedora Chinese forum is down.
04:48:14 <dramsey> Ah...
04:48:14 <kaio_tab> Still working on it.
04:48:26 <dramsey> Understood
04:49:00 <kaio_tab> Basically ip was blocked by China national firewall.
04:49:08 <dramsey> Wow!
04:49:28 <dramsey> I foresee a google moment
04:49:59 <dramsey> Good information.  Other news?
04:50:48 <kaio_tab> Need to get dedicated ip.
04:50:50 <kaio_tab> Harish has visited Beijing, met with gbraad.
04:50:56 <dramsey> Excellent!
04:52:41 <lcafiero> are you kidding, kaio_tab?
04:53:28 <kaio_tab> Which?
04:53:49 <lcafiero> about the chinese government blocking fedora's china forum.
04:53:52 * kaio_tab kids a lot but this meeting.
04:54:17 <kaio_tab> I think because the hosting is shared ip. I dont Fedora is pinned.
04:54:31 <kaio_tab> Dont think
04:54:38 <lcafiero> I should explain: If I say, "Are you kidding?" It's an American expression meaning, "That's hard to believe, are you certain?"
04:57:43 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
05:00:35 <kaio_tab> I know.
05:02:34 <dramsey> #topic Report current Status of upcoming events
05:03:04 <dramsey> Doing my biweekly Akihabara tomorrow...
05:03:08 <dramsey> Any news from others?
05:05:46 <dramsey> Next topic?
05:07:34 <dramsey> #topic FAD brisbane + LCA
05:08:33 <dramsey> kaio_tab any updated scoops from azneita and/or asmartgoat?
05:10:57 <dramsey> May be connection is down...Others here?]
05:11:07 <dramsey> s/]//
05:12:13 <lcafiero> I seem to remember an e-mail from harish saying the media will be ready and shipped in time for LCA
05:12:40 <dramsey> Excellent, I recollect that, too...as well as dgilmore at Brisbane.
05:13:11 <lcafiero> Right, and if I remember correctly, dgilmore will be bringing some swag from NA.
05:13:24 <dramsey> +1 lcafiero.
05:14:09 <dramsey> I suggest that the Fedora Ambassadors get their contact data to dgilmore to secure meeting with him
05:14:18 <dramsey> s/get/share
05:14:45 <lcafiero> and ask him to barbeque something for you :-)
05:14:50 <lcafiero> (he's going to kill me!)
05:15:02 <lcafiero> but he's an excellent barbeque chef.
05:15:03 <dramsey> Yum, sounds good
05:16:44 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
05:18:48 <dramsey> #topic APAC plans
05:19:44 <dramsey> Next topic?
05:20:08 <lcafiero> OK with me
05:20:13 <dramsey> #topic Classrooms for APAC
05:20:42 <dramsey> FranciscoD, any updated thoughts
05:23:44 <dramsey> If no updates, then next topic?
05:24:42 <dramsey> #topic Red Hat Exams for Ambassadors
05:24:52 <dramsey> - How about developing our fellow Ambassadors not just APAC but all regions with Red Hat Exams/Training?!?!?!?! ==> dramsey
05:25:04 <dramsey> That is all from me
05:25:24 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
05:25:47 <kaio_tab> What is abo
05:26:01 <kaio_tab> About red hat exam?
05:26:43 <lcafiero> I like this idea.
05:26:48 <dramsey> Sort of the RHCSA 'former RHCE' as well as RHCE for developing and supporting the Ambassadors' credentials
05:26:55 <kaio_tab> I am certed to rhce but not cert to train.
05:27:09 <lcafiero> I think it can be implemented across regions, too, because I know some in NA would want to participate
05:27:11 <lcafiero> Me included
05:27:28 <dramsey> I would like to see the next RHCE of the Year be one of our Fedora Ambassadors any region...
05:27:51 <dramsey> #idea  implemented across regions
05:27:55 <kaio_tab> And selfish policy from rh that we are not to discuss content of that.
05:28:38 <dramsey> Like inode0 as well as Red who were RHCEs of the Year before...
05:30:08 <dramsey> Having a goal and providing support to that goal is very much a win / win situation for all...Being empowered with knowledge...What do you all think?
05:30:43 <dramsey> I remember kaio_tab is RHCE/RHCT certified...Would support for your cert to train be advantageous, too?
05:30:55 <dramsey> +1 lcafiero
05:31:25 <lcafiero> I think it's a great idea +1 from me
05:31:48 <lcafiero> I think it also will bring people to Fedora if they think they'll be able to get something from it.
05:31:53 <lcafiero> like training.
05:32:17 <dramsey> Excellent!
05:32:39 <dramsey> I post that URL which FranciscoD did for his scoring, http://fpaste.org/OLJ7/
05:32:52 <dramsey> I concur 100% lcafiero
05:33:00 <lcafiero> I didn't save mine.
05:33:06 <lcafiero> I should just do the test again.
05:33:18 <lcafiero> RH does a great job in assessing where people stand in their abilities.
05:33:38 <dramsey> How very very true!
05:33:43 <dramsey> In turn with such information, their Fedora Briefings will have more foundation to integrate from as well.
05:33:56 <dramsey> Is this like that online assessment tests or something like that?
05:35:06 <dramsey> My SELinux skills are still developing...I have updated a variety of SELinux Wikis which need some love!
05:35:19 <dramsey> Also, I remember from last meeting, kaio's kaio_tab now making information of updating wikis
05:36:39 <dramsey> Also, for events as well as Classroom, what is that IRC channel...#fedora-channel information to be developing folks, too....
05:36:49 <kaio_tab> Sorry one hand of mine is pushing supermarket trolley..
05:37:11 <dramsey> Is there food at the supermarket...Hey, there's one apple left!
05:37:12 * FranciscoD had a power cut, goes to read logs
05:37:14 <dramsey> 8D
05:37:15 <dramsey> +D
05:37:23 <dramsey> :P
05:37:48 <dramsey> Understood FranciscoD...any input about your Classroom Concept...I think that is worthy, too.
05:38:46 <dramsey> We were discussing support of Ambassadors for Red Hat concepts and I think this is supportive of your Classroom idea.
05:38:55 <dramsey> That is it from me.  Others input?
05:39:24 <FranciscoD> you mean classrooms to prepare folks for the rhcsa etc?
05:39:41 <FranciscoD> sounds good, but then we'll need folks who know way more than i do ;)
05:39:45 <kaio_tab> I can get certed to train if there is financial supports.
05:39:48 <dramsey> Whatever you deem worthy.
05:40:12 * FranciscoD didn't come across any questions regarding packaging etc in the assessment test
05:40:13 <dramsey> kaio_tab, off hand do you know how much ?
05:40:52 <kaio_tab> Yes I coordinating to have nice docs on wiki translated into Chinese.
05:41:04 <FranciscoD> we don't need certified people to train, do we?
05:41:23 <FranciscoD> one can take the test with any training, not necessarily an "official" training
05:41:25 <dramsey> May be without certificate as a start...
05:41:33 <dramsey> That makes sense...
05:41:48 <FranciscoD> I mean you choose how you want to train, if you want to train ;)
05:41:54 <dramsey> Develop and build the people so they may get certifications.
05:42:01 <dramsey> Ah, I understand
05:42:08 <kaio_tab> Of hand what rhce tested I know. And packaging, i18n, etc.
05:42:12 <lcafiero> I think that's true, FranciscoD
05:42:33 <FranciscoD> we just need to get the "syllabus"
05:42:37 <FranciscoD> and prepare that mich
05:42:39 <FranciscoD> s/mich/much
05:42:51 <dramsey> kaio_tab, that would be so valuable to share and develop Ambassadors and others via the #fedora-classroom and gain some experience, too...
05:42:54 <FranciscoD> though it won't exactly run parallel to fedora contributions
05:43:13 <dramsey> FranciscoD, excellent start!
05:43:19 <dramsey> Build and they will come.
05:43:20 * FranciscoD would like to see more ambassdors troubleshooting at #fedora
05:43:26 <FranciscoD> I know what I know via that channel
05:43:37 <kaio_tab> I think a person isn't permitted to train with phrase relevant of "for rhce". We can check out with spot and rh legal anytime though.
05:43:50 <FranciscoD> links, procedures, stuff that fenrus02 , thomasj, Southern_Gentlem etc. tell folks
05:43:52 <dramsey> #idea would like to see more ambassdors troubleshooting at #fedora
05:43:54 <FranciscoD> it's the best way to learn
05:44:22 <FranciscoD> plus, it's such a huge problem domain, that you learn tweaks, hacks all of it
05:44:28 <kaio_tab> Agree
05:44:38 <dramsey> Excellent share of information.
05:44:39 <lcafiero> +1
05:44:53 <dramsey> Is there an action / idea for the spot / legal stuff?
05:45:29 <dramsey> #idea '...person isn't permitted to train with phrase relevant of "for rhce". We can check out with spot and rh legal anytime though...'
05:45:35 <dramsey> +1
05:45:51 <kaio_tab> Yes put action.
05:45:59 <FranciscoD> i really don't think there's anything there, but yeah, we could check and confirm with spot
05:46:02 <FranciscoD> +1
05:46:09 <dramsey> #action Verify about  '...person isn't permitted to train with phrase relevant of "for rhce". We can check out with spot and rh legal anytime though...'
05:46:24 <dramsey> Good conversation and ideas, I really like this!
05:46:41 <FranciscoD> How do we get more folks to hang out on #fedora?
05:46:44 <lcafiero> +1
05:46:51 <lcafiero> Hmmm.
05:46:53 <FranciscoD> we need something similar to the design teams "bounty"?
05:46:55 <dramsey> Hmmm, too
05:47:04 <lcafiero> #fedora can be a kind of hostile place
05:47:11 <lcafiero> sometimes
05:47:19 <lcafiero> though it's getting better
05:47:26 <dramsey> How true, lcafiero...
05:47:31 <FranciscoD> it's rare though, with the ops hanging out etc.
05:47:41 <FranciscoD> trolls etc are in control now
05:47:46 <lcafiero> Ops are good, sometimes a little too strict IMO
05:47:48 <dramsey> I like the http://forums.fedoraforum.org
05:48:03 <FranciscoD> besides, one can always leave feedback or talk to the irc sig
05:48:17 <fenrus02> lcafiero, please join the weekly meetings if you would like to have direct input.  or write something up on trac
05:48:34 <lcafiero> when are they?
05:48:39 <lcafiero> fenrus02^^^
05:48:39 <dramsey> fenrus02, when is your weekly meeting...
05:48:48 <dramsey> lcafiero is too fast for me.
05:48:54 <fenrus02> "IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting"
05:49:00 * lcafiero is a professional :-)
05:49:12 <lcafiero> OK, thanks fenrus02 -- I'll make a note of it.
05:49:21 <dramsey> 8-)  lcafiero is the Ultimate Professional!  8-)
05:49:23 <fenrus02> dramsey, unfortunately, forum is basically unmoderated.  it really is a last-resort-only thing.
05:49:26 <kaio_tab> Btw action needs the subject verb object.
05:49:32 <lcafiero> I'll gladly sit in and participate if I am inspired :-)
05:49:38 <dramsey> true, fenrus02, very true.
05:49:47 <FranciscoD> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/
05:50:04 <fenrus02> lcafiero, please do.  it is public, and open to all.
05:50:25 * kaio_tab has a lot to learn from larry and famsco folks.
05:51:13 <dramsey> #action Verify with Spot and RH Legal about '...person isn't permitted to train with phrase relevant of "for rhce". We can check out with spot and rh legal anytime though...'
05:51:34 <dramsey> has a lot to learn from all and enjoys constructive IRCs like this!  :)
05:51:41 <kaio_tab> Hey I got last thing, suddenly think of that.
05:51:51 <dramsey> go kaio_tab!
05:52:00 <dramsey> thank you, fenrus02
05:52:49 <fenrus02> dramsey, no problem.  constructive feedback is always welcome.
05:52:52 <kaio_tab> I suggest to return the ownership of #fedora-{cn,tw,zh,hk} to fedora.
05:53:09 <fenrus02> cn -> zh though, no?
05:54:52 <dramsey> +1
05:55:19 <dramsey> s/+1/+1 to you, fenrus02.
05:55:31 <dramsey> kaio_tab is there some problem / issue?
05:55:54 <kaio_tab> All
05:56:06 <dramsey> What is up?  Or not happening?
05:56:47 <kaio_tab> Now founder of channels are not spot.
05:57:05 <kaio_tab> Just want to make it easy to everyone.
05:57:13 <kaio_tab> When support requests.
05:57:22 <kaio_tab> Me need to drive, ttyl.
05:57:36 <dramsey> Ah...
05:57:58 <FranciscoD> we'll wait for him to get back and continue :)
05:58:48 <dramsey> kaio_tab is this an action / idea for our logs?  If so, then we are empowered to do the scooby.  :)
05:59:06 <dramsey> #chair FransciscoD lcafiero kaio_tab
05:59:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD FransciscoD dramsey kaio_tab lcafiero yshao
06:00:03 <dramsey> Other ideas or next topic?  FranciscoD any more ideas for your Classroom?
06:00:25 <FranciscoD> well, it would be better if people came forward and requested them
06:00:31 <dramsey> kaio_tab more informaiton?
06:00:38 <FranciscoD> otherwise there are so many topics, no idea where to begin
06:00:57 <FranciscoD> i generally begin with packaging/reviewing, others take stuff they know
06:01:10 <dramsey> Understood, FranciscoD...I like your classroom concept and may be we send something to the mailing list, what do you think?
06:01:16 * FranciscoD doesn't think there's a way for people to request classrooms
06:01:18 <FranciscoD> aye
06:01:30 <FranciscoD> maybe send out a mail saying "what class room would you like?"
06:01:46 <FranciscoD> and then we could look for people who know the topics to take sessions
06:01:48 <dramsey> +1 that is a great idea for feeding ideas!
06:02:16 <dramsey> Topic of interest, subject matter expert(s) identified...curriculum...
06:02:24 <dramsey> I like it!
06:03:08 <dramsey> Especially now in 2011, we should open others' eyes and minds to new thoughts, goals and development...Food for thought
06:03:26 <dramsey> FranciscoD, is this an action or idea for our logs?
06:03:37 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD dramsey send mail to ambassadors mailing list requesting class room topucs
06:03:46 <FranciscoD> erm, topics
06:04:41 <FranciscoD> does that work ? :)?
06:05:21 <dramsey> +1
06:05:23 <dramsey> Yup!
06:05:29 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
06:05:57 <dramsey> Next topic is open floor and I wanted to post Paul's idea on the Wiki Love concept...
06:06:04 <dramsey> Move forward?
06:06:17 <FranciscoD> i'd like to know if people have any thoughts on how to get more people involved at #fedora, and the fedora-users list
06:06:33 <FranciscoD> open floor could do that
06:06:37 <dramsey> I like your design - idea...
06:06:46 <dramsey> Reward concept...
06:06:47 <dramsey> :)
06:06:56 <FranciscoD> fenrus02: would you have any ideas/ comments on this?
06:07:25 <fenrus02> err, sorry?  (I more or less wandered off)
06:07:37 <lcafiero> heh
06:07:47 <fenrus02> classrooms?  Yes!  folks like those.
06:08:02 <FranciscoD> fenrus02: is it a good idea to try and get more people involved at #fedora/fedora-users ML? ie, troubleshooting?
06:08:06 <FranciscoD> heh
06:09:09 <fenrus02> FranciscoD, that is a difficult question really.  a ML is much slower than IRC or wiki or classrooms.  it takes a bit of time to collect the proper information and diagnose the issue.  at that point, how different would it be from the forums?
06:09:34 <FranciscoD> fenrus02: alright, then, just getting more ambassadors to help out at #fedora?
06:09:43 <FranciscoD> they'd help, and also learn from the senior members?
06:09:47 <fenrus02> help is always welcome  :)
06:10:00 <dramsey> +1!
06:10:00 <FranciscoD> alright :)
06:10:01 <fenrus02> just dont guess. it's ok to say that you do not know.
06:10:21 * FranciscoD makes note
06:11:08 <dramsey> Cool, other thoughts or next topic?
06:11:30 <fenrus02> there are things to try / things to look for etc ... blind guessing tends to lead to trouble.  If you have seen something similar, and it was resolved a certain way - by all means, tell the person that "this may not work, but here's how to do $foo .. .backout is $bar"
06:12:03 * FranciscoD notes
06:12:18 <dramsey> ;-) dramsey, likes the $foo and $bar notations.  ;-)
06:12:32 <fenrus02> dramsey, sorry ... entirely too many years of *nix
06:13:17 <dramsey> fenrus02, appreciate your insights and thoughts to develop FranciscoD 's concepts.
06:13:32 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
06:13:37 <FranciscoD> next
06:13:41 <dramsey> #topic Open Floor
06:13:58 <dramsey> I wanted to post Paul's comments on the Wiki Love - If you're looking to help out with these wiki pages and aren't sure
06:13:58 <dramsey> which to start with, you can look here:
06:13:58 <dramsey> 
06:13:58 <dramsey> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_need_love
06:13:58 <dramsey> 
06:13:59 <dramsey> This category shows all the pages that have been marked with the
06:13:59 <dramsey> {{Needs love}} template.
06:14:17 * FranciscoD might have some pages to add to this list
06:14:31 <FranciscoD> specially the ones in the "Distribution" category which are badly outdated
06:14:52 <FranciscoD> vendor info etc. for example, so {{Needs love}} is awesome
06:15:26 <dramsey> #idea Pages that need love Wiki page help by Ambassadors...develop their subject content of the people, too.
06:15:38 <dramsey> +1 FranciscoD
06:15:44 <dramsey> That is it from me...
06:16:02 <fenrus02> a skilled writer is invaluable :)
06:16:14 <FranciscoD> +1
06:16:53 <dramsey> +1
06:17:53 <dramsey> fenrus02 FranciscoD kaio_tab lcafiero yshao thank you all for attending!
06:18:15 <dramsey> Other thoughts or end meeting?
06:19:10 <FranciscoD> end I guess
06:19:14 <dramsey> okay
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06:19:24 <dramsey> bye
06:19:28 <dramsey> #endmeeting