15:01:45 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2011-01-11
15:01:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jan 11 15:01:45 2011 UTC.  The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:01:50 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
15:01:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:02:11 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:02:21 <rdieter> alrighty, who's present today?
15:02:28 * jreznik is present
15:02:42 * ltinkl present
15:03:39 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:04:45 <rdieter> #chair jreznik ltinkl Kevin_Kofler
15:04:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik ltinkl rdieter
15:04:55 <rdieter> #info rdieter jreznik ltinkl Kevin_Kofler present today
15:05:12 <rdieter> #topic 4.5.5 & 4.6 rc2 status updates
15:05:56 <rdieter> good news here, over the past week (or so), I got 4.5.5 built and submitted to kde-testing and updates-testing (pushed yesterday)
15:06:20 <jreznik> 4.6 rc2 is built - there were a few issues with kde-l10n, I sent it to kde-packagers list
15:06:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Great, good work (both of you)!
15:06:50 <rdieter> oh, and 4.5.95 has f14 builds in kde-unstable now too
15:06:59 <rdieter> (sans kde-l10n of course)
15:07:09 <rdieter> #info kde-4.5.5 submitted to updates-testing
15:07:10 <jreznik> but I checked logs - some optional features are not built, I have a list, I'll go through it tmrw (some are not packaged in fedora yet etc.)
15:07:11 <Kevin_Kofler> kde-l10n being broken is quite normal, at least this time it actually builds. ;-)
15:07:38 <rdieter> #info kde-4.5.95 mostly built in rawhide (sans kde-l10n yet), unofficial f14 builds in kde-unstable repo for more testing
15:07:39 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: no, tagged 4.6 rc2 does not build :)
15:08:08 <Kevin_Kofler> Re optional features, please add missing BRs, indeed.
15:08:18 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: true
15:08:52 <jreznik> rdieter: kde-l10n is built in rawhide too (or I just don't understand "sans")
15:08:58 <rdieter> after having taken a closer look @ kdenetwork recently, added 3-4 missing BR's.  the rest of the modules' build.logs ought to be inspected similarly
15:09:04 <rdieter> jreznik: ok cool.  sans = without
15:09:13 <rdieter> so that's fixed now. yay
15:09:15 <jreznik> rdieter: I thought it's without :)
15:09:20 <Kevin_Kofler> #undo
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15:09:33 <Kevin_Kofler> #info kde-4.5.95 built in rawhide, unofficial f14 builds in kde-unstable repo for more testing
15:09:49 <rdieter> I'll put the kde-l10n builds in kde-unstable too then
15:09:53 <jreznik> rdieter: it was quite broken - we have to check if final release will contain correct Serbian translations...
15:10:01 <rdieter> k
15:10:04 <jreznik> current tarball is broken (it's tagged but not packaged)
15:10:19 <jreznik> all sr@xxx l10n
15:10:42 <rdieter> and I think we can confirm that k3b/solid startup crasher(s) are fixed with 4.5.95 too
15:10:59 <ltinkl> rdieter: yup :) I fixed those shortly after rc1
15:11:23 <jreznik> great
15:11:52 <rdieter> anything else?  can we move on?
15:11:58 <jreznik> move on
15:12:31 <rdieter> #topic updates for kdepim-4.4.9, digikam-1.7.0, kipi-plugins-1.7.0
15:12:59 <rdieter> I've been intending to do these bodhi updates for awhile, but got a bit overwhelmed lately.  ltinkl offerred to help out today.
15:13:00 <ltinkl> I'm working on digikam/kipi right now, need ACLs for the former :)
15:13:33 <ltinkl> rdieter: they haven't been built for F13 tho... what is the intention there?
15:13:41 <ltinkl> update/dont?
15:13:41 <rdieter> #info ltinkl to submit bodhi updates for kdepim-4.4.9, kdepim-runtime-4.4.9, digikam-1.7.0, kipi-plugins-1.7.0
15:14:06 <rdieter> ltinkl: oh, merge f13 branch with f14, and build em (or I can after meeting).
15:14:19 <rdieter> thats where I left off (I was waiting to make sure it built ok, I think)
15:14:25 <ltinkl> rdieter: np, I will do it and build them
15:14:56 <rdieter> not much else to say here, so moving on...
15:15:10 <rdieter> #topic nepomukcontroller, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=668001
15:15:56 <rdieter> jreznik helpfully submitted this missing 4.6 piece for review , nepomuk's systray icon thiny
15:16:08 <jreznik> as we were talking - do we want it in kdebase-workspace or push the standalone package?
15:16:14 <rdieter> it missed 4.6 feature freeze, will be included in 4.7
15:16:38 <rdieter> jreznik: simpler standalone imo, with kdebase-workspace Requires:
15:16:56 <Kevin_Kofler> So let's complete the review and add the Requires to kdebase-workspace.
15:17:11 <jreznik> anybody willing to do a quick review?
15:17:12 <rdieter> (or possibly even kdebase-runtime, if this makes any sense outside of kde, but I don't think it does)
15:17:32 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't think we want to force this onto non-KDE users.
15:17:57 <Kevin_Kofler> It's really optional, we'll want it dragged in for KDE users for upgrade path reasons, but I don't see a reason to force this from -runtime.
15:19:12 <rdieter> ok, I would tend to agree, let's go with that initially then
15:19:22 <rdieter> I can try to help with the review later today
15:19:33 <jreznik> rdieter: thanks
15:19:51 <jreznik> no rush, I'll have to leave after meeting
15:20:00 <rdieter> moving on...
15:20:07 <rdieter> #topic Hat Developers Conference, Brno 2011 - possibility of subsidy for Fedora KDE SIG or KDE upstream contributors
15:20:15 <rdieter> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeveloperConference2011|Red
15:20:31 <rdieter> hrm, I think that link's broken
15:20:54 <rdieter> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeveloperConference2011
15:20:58 <jreznik> ah, sorry, my wiki skills :)
15:20:59 <rdieter> better
15:21:18 <jreznik> it's sad no one else from Europe is here today
15:21:22 <rdieter> sounds like another excellent event.
15:21:33 <rdieter> jreznik: send to kde@lists... ?
15:22:18 <jreznik> rdieter: I tend more for people friendly to Fedora KDE :) so expecting someone from our contributors...
15:22:44 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: Uh, there's me. :-)
15:22:46 <ltinkl> Kevin_Kofler and another guy promised to come :)
15:22:53 <Kevin_Kofler> And I intend to come, indeed.
15:23:03 <rdieter> I can also try dent'ing and blogging, if you want
15:23:11 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: we expect you :)
15:23:51 <jreznik> rdieter: would be great
15:24:14 <jreznik> we can't support everyone, everything, but we try
15:24:40 <rdieter> jreznik, ltinkl if you are up for a similar event again next year, I may be interested.
15:25:09 <ltinkl> rdieter: there might be one next year, too
15:26:08 <rdieter> #info fedora-kde sig'ers or kde-upstream contributors encouraged to attend event, possibility of subsidies too.
15:26:24 <jreznik> rdieter: great! I didn't expect it this year to be so big event with so many people coming but they accept invitation quite late... one month before I'd bet for a small local event...
15:26:39 <rdieter> sure, but can't hurt to try
15:27:22 <rdieter> anyone poke the kde sysadmin folks in #fedora-kde?  like toma?  Sho?
15:29:00 <rdieter> sounds like that's about it, moving on again...
15:29:05 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, at least this time I actually decided to come more than 1-2 days before the event. ^^
15:29:13 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: yay. :)
15:29:13 <ltinkl> :)
15:29:22 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:29:34 <rdieter> that's it for the agenda today, anything else to discuss?
15:29:57 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: ok but let me know, so I can take care of accomodation
15:30:03 <rdieter> could try to make some progress implementing more of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE46 today
15:30:36 <rdieter> like up'ing our spin size, for example.  probably want to poke other folks (spins sig, rel-eng) to make them aware.
15:30:50 <rdieter> and re-org the kickstart files a bit to accomodate
15:31:32 <rdieter> oh, and kdepim-4.6beta4, I'll try to get that built today.
15:31:55 <rdieter> and to seriously test its viability (or not, so if we want to revert to kdepim-4.4)
15:32:31 <rdieter> (and also work on -mobility subpkg)
15:32:42 <rdieter> all fun fun
15:32:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Right.
15:33:05 <jreznik> rdieter: kdepim 4.6 looks good but causes my system unusable after restart :) nepomuk, akonadi, mysql, virtuoso eating 100% of my cpu :(
15:33:07 <rdieter> #info continue to on implementing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE46
15:33:39 <Kevin_Kofler> We also need to look into Phonon-GStreamer, in particular we really need some solution to avoid requiring xine-lib for DVD menus in Dragon Player.
15:33:48 <rdieter> #undo
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15:33:56 <rdieter> #info continue to work on implementing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE46
15:34:30 <Kevin_Kofler> I may need to nag apachelogger again for a proper API for Phonon.
15:34:39 <Kevin_Kofler> Patching Dragon Player if we have the API should be the easy part.
15:34:48 <rdieter> yeah, though shipping without that feature won't be the end of the world I suppose
15:35:07 <rdieter> (esp if it could be fixed later in an update)
15:35:44 <rdieter> (or continuing to ship xine-lib on the spin isn't a deal-breaker either)
15:35:55 <rdieter> esp if spin is bigger and space is less of an issue
15:36:00 <Kevin_Kofler> In other news, I'm going to do the PackageKit bugfix update to fix the '?' characters in KPackageKit's categories, rhughes pointed out his upstream fix and said we can push an update, so I want to do it.
15:36:23 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: The problem is, the feature also only works with Phonon-xine.
15:36:43 <rdieter> sure, we'd have to document the workaround(s), ie, switching phonon backend or whatever
15:37:12 <Kevin_Kofler> It requires linking against xine-lib for the feature to be there in the first place AND it requires Phonon-xine to be selected for it to be available at runtime.
15:37:21 <rdieter> ok, controversial topic:  I really really hate shipping known-broken stuff
15:37:48 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, me too, that's why I want the Dragon Player issue fixed. :-)
15:37:57 <rdieter> proposal:  if system-config-printer-kde isn't fixed by (some date <foo>), drop it, ship system-config-printer instead
15:38:23 <Kevin_Kofler> Counterproposal: get dannti's C++ replacement packaged ASAP, replace s-c-p-kde with that instead.
15:38:24 * jreznik is looking on the bug
15:38:44 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: I thought his was just the status applet, does his to printer setup as well?
15:39:13 <Kevin_Kofler> There are replacements for both.
15:39:43 <Kevin_Kofler> I have to check whether adding printers is already working in the printer setup code now though.
15:39:44 <rdieter> OK, but I seriously doubt it could work as well as system-config-printer (esp with pk integraiton for auto-installing printer drivers)
15:39:51 <Kevin_Kofler> (But it doesn't work properly with s-c-p-kde anyway.)
15:40:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Looks like this is the code: http://gitweb.kde.org/print-manager.git
15:40:43 <Kevin_Kofler> The project could be more active. :-/
15:41:07 <Kevin_Kofler> But it looks like add-printer is there, at least.
15:41:22 <Kevin_Kofler> And printer-manager-kcm.
15:41:47 <Kevin_Kofler> http://gitweb.kde.org/print-manager.git/blob/HEAD:/README
15:42:05 <Kevin_Kofler> So adding new printers is unfinished, unless the README is out of date. :-(
15:42:22 <rdieter> oh, one last fyi, oxygen-gtk review done now, I'll get that imported soon
15:42:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Showing supply levels (the other TODO there) hasn't been supported ever, neither in KDE 3 nor by s-c-p-kde.
15:43:00 <rdieter> .bug 663092
15:43:02 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 663092 Review Request: oxygen-gtk - Oxygen GTK theme - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=663092
15:43:32 <Kevin_Kofler> (Does s-c-p even support that? I don't think so. I always have to fire up the HPLIP GUI to check ink status.)
15:43:33 * rdieter still fighting to get speech-dispatcher to work, still keeping hope to make kttsd usable for f15
15:44:20 <rdieter> any other juicy status updates?
15:44:30 <rdieter> what's everyone else currently working on not already discussed?
15:45:03 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: mind poking dannti about feasibility of packaging yet or some sort or (pre)release?
15:45:10 <rdieter> some sort of...
15:45:58 <rdieter> though I'd personally prefer to get system-config-printer-kde fixed (as that's what upstream is shipping), but don't mind as long as we can get *something* that works
15:46:43 * rdieter will end meeting in 2 min, if there's nothing else to report or discuss
15:46:53 <jreznik> everything from me...
15:46:53 <Kevin_Kofler> The problem is, s-c-p-kde is basically dead upstream.
15:47:17 <Kevin_Kofler> The people maintaining it were the Kubuntu folks and they ship dannti's stuff now.
15:47:38 <Kevin_Kofler> (AFAIK)
15:50:10 <Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm…
15:50:18 <Kevin_Kofler> Natty still has s-c-p-kde: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/system-config-printer-kde
15:51:08 <Kevin_Kofler> In any case, Kubuntu aside, as long as it's shipped in KDE SC, it should also work, you have a point there.
15:54:36 <rdieter> ok, thanks everyone
15:54:38 <rdieter> #endmeeting