13:14:33 #startmeeting FAmSCo Meeting 2011-1-8 13:14:33 Meeting started Sat Jan 8 13:14:33 2011 UTC. The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:14:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:14:41 #chair kaio 13:14:41 Current chairs: kaio liknus 13:14:59 #meetingname famsco-meeting-2011-1-8 13:14:59 The meeting name has been set to 'famsco-meeting-2011-1-8' 13:15:07 #topic RollCall 13:15:14 .fas ppapadeas 13:15:15 liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' 13:15:24 .fas igorps 13:15:25 igorps: igor 'Igor Pires Soares' 13:15:27 .fas gbraad 13:15:28 gbraad-china: gbraad 'Gerard Braad (吉拉德)' 13:15:42 .fas yn1v 13:15:42 yn1v: yn1v 'Neville A. Cross' 13:15:58 ping kaio 13:16:13 .fas kaio 13:16:13 liknus: kaio 'Caius Chance' 13:16:25 Hello and welcome all to our todays meeting 13:16:32 Our agenda can be found here : 13:16:36 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_agenda#2011-1-8_agenda 13:16:41 So lets get underway 13:16:54 #topic Current Action Items 13:17:05 #topic Ambassadors FAQ 13:17:15 igorps, gbraad and updates on that? 13:17:25 We need to finalize it 13:17:25 I'm working on this one already 13:17:36 no update from my side 13:17:40 I answered more questions there 13:17:59 I figure out that there is another unfinished faq 13:18:02 yes 13:18:11 ok nice igorps, notify us for reviewing so we can close this action item 13:18:13 .fasinfo kaio 13:18:14 kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active 13:18:18 kaio: Unapproved Groups: art 13:18:22 kaio: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh 13:18:26 now I will work on merging both pages 13:18:40 link to other page? 13:18:54 #action igorps merges Ambassadors FAQ pages 13:18:55 * gbraad-china thought the same as liknus 13:19:05 no, turning two pages into one 13:19:10 * kaio still fighting with wiki skills 13:19:27 which other page exists? 13:19:31 * liknus can give a wiki loving session 13:19:51 liknus☺ cool 13:20:10 gbraad-china: this one: 13:20:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/Questions 13:20:38 There is some content we can use in the FAQ page 13:20:38 the -temp page is yours? 13:20:40 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/FAQ_temp 13:21:00 no 13:21:08 that's another one to merge 13:21:16 please see that also and merge it :) 13:21:19 thanks igorps 13:21:23 anything more on that 13:21:23 ? 13:21:40 they are all spread, so the idea is to have just one good page 13:22:19 ok nice :) moving on: 13:22:24 #topic Events page 13:22:30 I hope we can review it soon. what about targeting within 3 days? so close before the next meeting? 13:22:54 gbraad, lets give it till next meeting at least 13:23:00 ok 13:23:06 (it is a lot of writing and comparing) 13:23:13 So on events page 13:23:19 next meeting looks good to me 13:23:19 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events 13:23:33 I contacted the websites team 13:23:51 Created Template:Hidden for our wiki 13:24:06 so we can have hidden all the past periods (or the way ahead us) 13:24:19 and Events page can be more easily readable 13:24:48 I have a question 13:24:49 unfortunately there is a problem with CSS and the hidden tag cannot be used at the moment 13:24:58 liknus, has this been implemented? 13:25:12 So Ian told me that we are going to update our MediaWiki 13:25:16 and then fix that 13:25:24 (due to be done within the month 13:25:25 ) 13:25:31 yn1v, go ahead 13:25:36 gbraad-china, partially 13:25:41 if so, this needs to be documented and informed to the 'editors' of the events page (read: ambassadors) 13:26:00 is the fedora insight taking provition for a cool calendar with rss ? 13:26:01 I know gbraad-china , I have a draft mail on that.. but first it needs to witrks 13:26:03 works* 13:26:46 yn1v, they say so, but there is no scheduled day for that, so we cannot rely indefinately for them 13:26:57 yn1v it is a solution for the current situation. I am not so sure about the progress on Fedora Insight 13:27:03 Events page clean up will be done much easily while they built the thing 13:27:20 yes, they are taking time to release fedora insight. 13:27:49 so I suggest to move forward a nice wiki Events page while waiting for the fedora Insight 13:27:53 agreed? 13:27:55 * gbraad-china prefers the current pragmatic approach as 'it works' 13:27:57 +1 from me 13:28:24 which means +1 13:28:34 +1 13:28:40 +1 13:29:06 #agreed Reform Events page while waiting for Fedora Insight creation 13:29:09 ok moving on: 13:29:37 #topic F 15 Ambassadors schedule 13:29:52 I had a meeting with Robyn (she is our program manager) 13:30:28 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ambassadors/2010-12-30/ambassadors_schedule_discussion.2010-12-30-15.48.html 13:30:47 And we rephrased the tasks so they can reflect the owner of each taks 13:30:50 task* 13:30:54 so to say: 13:31:15 FAmSCo pushes media art 13:31:19 instead of : 13:31:33 Pushing of media art 13:31:41 so they can be easily assigned 13:32:05 I am still waiting for her to push the changes public 13:32:07 on this page 13:32:19 good change 13:32:20 http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-ambassadors-tasks.html 13:32:38 so everybody knows who is responsible for it 13:32:53 And when she does I am going to announce them on our mailing list and create a wiki page to explain each one of those 13:33:15 Here can be found the raw version: 13:33:16 http://piratepad.net/f15ambas 13:33:29 Everyone ok with that> 13:33:30 ? 13:33:39 +1 from me of course :P 13:33:50 I will try to look at them and get an initial translation for some of it. 13:34:06 I noticed that the regional meetings were also renamed 13:34:09 gbraad-china, I will make the wiki page translatable 13:34:19 even better 13:34:26 this one was the most vague one 13:34:29 in that case +2 13:34:35 so +1 from me 13:34:35 igorps, renamed according to what we decided 13:34:39 :) 13:35:00 they will be part of our regional town-halls hasted by Larry' 13:35:04 hosted* 13:35:19 kaio, ping 13:35:33 this is great so we can do it all together 13:35:33 yn1v, ping 13:35:38 * gbraad-china thinks kaio is falling asleep behind his computer 13:35:40 yeap 13:36:19 we already have a majority vote from the attending members 13:36:29 liknus, ? 13:36:46 It would be nice to here more +1 or opinions on the subjects we are talking 13:36:58 * kaio is pinged physically by family members 13:37:12 sorry it was kind of obviuos ... yes +1 13:37:17 +1 13:37:22 thanks :) 13:37:32 Rahul is not here 13:37:45 so let move on new Business items 13:37:51 #topic New Action Items 13:37:56 btw, the translatable approach for our Wiki pages is preferred IMHO 13:38:06 gbraad-china, agreed 13:38:13 #topic Ambassadors SOPs 13:38:24 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_SOPs 13:38:59 So, as I posted on the list, I created the structure of our new Ambassadors SOP 13:39:33 on those pages there are ideas and guidelines on how to create new Standard Operating Procedures for Ambassadors 13:40:39 each SOP is meant to outline the way of doing a specific task within our project so we can pinpoint them to new members or reform them and review them 13:40:46 Sample SOPs can be : 13:41:01 - Hosting a Release Party 13:41:09 - Requesting sponsorship 13:41:17 - Chairing a meeting 13:41:21 etc 13:41:34 information on those can already possibly be found on the wiki 13:41:39 describe it please in more detail what the goal is as the board agreed 'imprvoe and simplify collaboration' was goal 1. Isn't this just another restructuring of the FAQ? 13:42:01 When they are ready they will be a good content to some FAQ as well 13:42:18 we just have to take care to not turn this into redundant content 13:42:21 gbraad-china, no.. FAQ are answers to questions (like an almanac) 13:42:28 too much information scattered around does not solve the issue to get contributing members 13:42:37 they are not How-to s .. SOP are ment to be How-tos 13:42:57 my concern is the same as igorps, redundancy and a maintenance nightmware 13:43:00 FAQ is about answering common questions and misconseptions 13:43:10 not outlining how we work 13:43:21 SOP will eventually be how we work 13:43:28 liknus: +1 13:43:39 so we might have to remove some Q from FAQ to really address this 13:43:49 I would like to have a list of missing SOPs so when I have spare time take one down.... 13:43:50 hosting a release party might contain the same info as on the faq on how to acquire media, etc 13:44:06 where we can put that list ? 13:44:13 we just have to keep it very clear to avoid problems 13:44:32 yn1v, I will edit the page to include dead links... so create the page after 13:44:38 gbraad-china, : 13:45:13 For this matter they shall both link at some point to Requesting material SOP 13:45:21 (let say) 13:45:35 +1 13:45:36 create a structure first and review it at the same time as the faq 13:45:49 liknus: yes, that's the idea, instead of describing the whole process on the FAQ 13:45:51 please take some minutes after the meeting to navigate through Infrastructure SOPS 13:46:05 indeed igorps and gbraad 13:46:12 we should reuse SOP sections that apply to multiple bigger SOP 13:46:22 s/structure/topics 13:46:23 yeap exactly 13:46:52 So I need an ACK on SOPs as a whole and then you help on forming and reviewing some of them 13:47:07 We are ok with using SOPs to outline how we work? 13:47:12 +1 from me 13:47:16 +1 13:47:31 +1 13:47:37 +1 we leave procedures for new people 13:47:45 as long as we have a good review and shorten the FAQ with this (to become more concise) +1 13:48:05 #agreed moving forward to migrate info to SOPs 13:48:19 Shall we give it two meetings time to form the basic ones? 13:49:01 #action liknus creates with who is interested, basic SOPs and deliver them for reviews within 2 weeks 13:49:02 ok? 13:49:09 2 meetings as time limit, by next meeting we should have suggested some topics 13:49:14 ok 13:49:24 We can start by correctly categorizing the Ambassadors SOPs we already have 13:49:31 Then we shall announce the usage of them to Ambassadors 13:49:32 great 13:49:46 so we'll have a big picture of it 13:49:54 and see what is missing 13:49:57 ok nice moving on : 13:50:10 #topic Monthly Reports 13:50:26 Susmit sent the raw files for creation of them on the list 13:50:35 we should plan a class-room with tips and hints for ambassadors after rebuilding wiki/sop 13:50:43 We need someone to be the owner of this action item 13:51:00 as a way to consolidate the communication 13:51:02 yn1v, indeed.. possibly our first one 13:51:18 Anyone had the time to look on Susmit files? 13:51:37 anyone willing to collaborate with Susmit on the creation of monthly reports? 13:51:48 liknus, see the mail, have not looked at the files. my bad 13:51:50 Please people, this is important part 13:52:14 same as gbraad-china 13:52:22 Do we have anyone with experience (even slight) on Publican? 13:52:30 or is willing to learn some.. 13:52:31 I want to take part of it, but work schedule will make it impossible in January 13:52:47 yn1v, understandable 13:52:51 same here for now :-s 13:52:54 I can collaborate with susmit and yn1v 13:53:02 Awesome :) 13:53:20 igorps, are you wiling to produce them monthly? 13:53:24 I am stuck in the break down of fedora-chinese forum. 13:53:31 I will undertake that from February or early if I can 13:53:31 I'll take the January one 13:53:41 we also need December one 13:53:45 ok with you 13:53:46 ? 13:53:52 liknus: yes I think is a good time frame 13:54:07 #action igorps owner of December and January monthly report 13:54:21 please see it and get on the way fast 13:54:30 thanks igorps for stepping up on this 13:54:46 possibly if you arrange a meeting with susmit 13:54:50 thanks igorps! 13:54:51 liknus: I will ;) 13:54:53 he can speed you up 13:54:57 ok nice :) 13:55:07 so we have an owner for now :) 13:55:10 thanks, I will work this out with him ASAP 13:55:17 moving on: 13:55:32 #topic Tickets 13:55:51 unfortunately lcafiero_asleep and spevack are not here 13:55:59 so we cannot move it forward 13:56:13 I will push max once again to close some tickets 13:56:27 * gbraad-china wants to suggest something 13:56:36 #action liknus pushes lcafiero_asleep and spevack to close some tickets 13:56:39 gbraad-china, 13:56:55 need max to help my ticket urgently for LCA 13:56:56 I think we need a meeting moment in which Max can participate. 13:57:14 not all the time, but incidental for this kind of topics 13:57:26 or at least in #fedora-famsco 13:57:42 kaio, I have an open ticket since October... you gonna have to wait :( 13:57:47 it has been some time already on our agenda and it is bad this keeps slipping 13:57:49 gbraad, agreeed 13:58:06 liknus☺ the LCA will be up in 3 weeks. :P 13:58:13 I am going to mention that to him and arrnage a time to meet 13:58:15 ok 13:58:23 anything more on that? 13:58:26 let's start a discussion about this on the mailinglist 13:58:29 yes ... probably a time where lcafiero and max are free 13:58:32 or as you suggest 13:58:38 +1 13:59:06 there is no need for everyone to be present 13:59:15 larry max and a couple of us is ok 13:59:18 exactly 13:59:26 +1 13:59:28 (I am pretty flexible on times so it should be ok 13:59:29 ) 13:59:43 please raise the issue :-) 13:59:52 I think that will be usefull to know when that meeting will happen, so if somebody has something to push can show up 14:00:19 #action liknus arranges a meeting with Larry and Max 14:00:20 ok 14:00:21 discuss on list 14:00:28 #undo 14:00:28 Removing item from minutes: 14:00:36 #action liknus arranges a meeting with Larry and Max with discussion on list 14:00:38 ok :) 14:00:46 anything more on that? 14:00:49 no 14:00:57 We kinda reached our hour here 14:01:06 #topic Open Floor 14:01:14 Anyone wants to raise a topic? 14:01:21 or shall I end the meeting? 14:01:33 just a sidenote for APAC 14:02:03 Harish will visit Beijing next week and I will meet up with him to discuss some of the topics from the board and FAmSCo. 14:02:12 awesome 14:02:22 let us know how it goes 14:02:24 if anyone has input, please see the email on the fedora ambassador list and on fasmsco 14:02:24 gbraad☺ cool 14:02:44 From LATAM side, we are starting to prepare our participation at FISL in July 14:02:52 you probably saw Goal 11 from the board ? ;-) 14:03:13 in EMEA side we are focused at FOSDEM and FAD FOSDEM (in 3 weeks) 14:03:36 gbraad-china: yes, that is one of the most important ones IMHO 14:03:43 liknus, I am not sure if I can attend FOSDEM this year 14:03:49 there is fudcon in panama 14:04:08 gbraad-china, you should :) 14:04:21 I will be more than happy to meet you in person 14:04:22 :) 14:04:32 linus unfortunately an issue due to work 14:04:36 If not please update the wiki accordingly 14:04:50 probably will not have my Passport back in time 14:05:10 will do so if more information is available. 14:05:13 yn1v: we need to keep regular meetings about FUDCon Panama 14:05:17 oh.. what citizenship you have? 14:05:41 Dutch, but they are currenely dealing with a VISA replacement for China. 14:05:43 igorps, FUDCON Panama is the next one? 14:05:55 liknus: it is 14:06:00 if you are Dutch you dont need passport for Brussles 14:06:00 in May 14:06:07 igorps, yes... we need to do follow up. 14:06:18 May ... I might want to come :) 14:06:36 liknus: you will be welcome for sure! 14:06:44 not that easy, let you know next week if more info is available. 14:06:53 so I shall end this meeting and continue discussions on #fedora-famsco 14:07:02 +1 14:07:04 +1 14:07:04 +1 14:07:07 #endmeeting