04:00:45 <dramsey> #startmeeting APAC meeting 2011-01-01
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04:00:49 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
04:00:50 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
04:01:05 <arifiauo> .fas arifiauo
04:01:06 <zodbot> arifiauo: arifiauo 'Arif Tri Waluyo' <arifiauo@gmail.com>
04:01:13 <harish> .fas harishpillay
04:01:14 <dramsey> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2011-01-01#Agenda
04:01:14 <zodbot> harish: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' <harish.pillay@gmail.com>
04:01:31 <dramsey> #chair harish arifiauo
04:01:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: arifiauo dramsey harish
04:01:34 <dramsey> Hello Everyone
04:01:37 <dramsey> Happy New Year
04:01:47 <harish> greetings!
04:01:47 <dramsey> #topic Ambassador Pinging
04:01:54 <dramsey> #topic News from FAmSCo
04:02:10 <arifiauo> Cheers :)
04:02:18 <dramsey> Any news from anyone?
04:02:24 <harish> let me start
04:02:30 <dramsey> I am doing Fedora 14 distribution tomorrow.
04:02:33 <dramsey> Yes, let us start
04:02:34 <dramsey> :)
04:02:42 <harish> i attended the FOSS.in in Bangalore.
04:02:49 <harish> There was a Fedora miniconf there
04:02:50 <dramsey> How was that?
04:02:55 <harish> and I think it was well run.
04:03:08 <dramsey> FOSS.in fantastic!
04:03:15 <harish> we could have had more participants, but then again, there would have been a space constraint.
04:03:27 <arifiauo> great!
04:03:36 <harish> i had planned on running a gpg keysigning but only had one person sign up
04:03:39 <harish> so I have to can it.
04:03:53 <harish> i then went on to another event in hyderabad
04:04:08 <harish> called the national convention for academics and researchers (ncar).
04:04:32 <harish> it was organized by the Free Software Movement of india (www.fsmi.org.in) and was an interesting event.
04:04:40 <kaio> oh
04:04:41 <harish> i presented about POSSE and open source collaboration.
04:04:48 <kaio> I went to the #fedora-apac
04:04:49 <harish> kaio, greetings.
04:04:57 <dramsey> kaio, greetings
04:04:57 <kaio> harish☺ hi
04:05:01 <kaio> .fasinfo kaio
04:05:02 <zodbot> kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance, email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, Extension: 5114286, GPG key ID: 17BEFCFA, Status: active
04:05:03 <kaio> dramsey☺ hi
04:05:06 <zodbot> kaio: Unapproved Groups: art
04:05:10 <zodbot> kaio: Approved Groups: freemedia cvsl10n famsco cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat ambassadors l10n-commits @packager-zh
04:05:16 <dramsey> #chair kaio
04:05:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: arifiauo dramsey harish kaio
04:05:39 <harish> i have blogged about the two events as well - harishpillay.wordpress.com.
04:06:02 <harish> there is very strong interest to run a POSSE in India at the West Bengal State University.
04:06:31 <dramsey> Interesting
04:06:32 <harish> the vice chancellor of the WBSU attended NCAR and he was very keen to have it held there. We will have to see what can be done.
04:06:52 <dramsey> Sounds grand!
04:07:17 <harish> the next scheduled POSSE is in Manila in March I believe.
04:07:53 <dramsey> azneita, will be reviewing our logs and may provide input for Manila as well.
04:08:09 <harish> here's my presentation at NCAR _ http://www.scribd.com/doc/45863434/Talk-at-NCAR-2010-Hyderabad-India
04:08:47 <harish> tuanta, welcome!
04:08:48 <dramsey> tuanta, greetings
04:08:51 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:08:51 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:08:53 <tuanta> hi all
04:09:02 <kaio> tuanta☺ hi
04:09:06 <tuanta> I am a bit late :)
04:09:07 <arifiauo> Hi tuanta :)
04:09:12 <tuanta> sorry
04:09:19 <arifiauo> It's ok
04:09:27 <dramsey> No problem, we are reviewing, always to have people is nice
04:09:27 <harish> hoping to see azneita show up.
04:09:30 <tuanta> my friends, where are we going on?
04:09:55 <dramsey> Tuan, just review of things, harish just provided information on his latest
04:10:07 <dramsey> presentation at http://www.scribd.com/doc/45863434/Talk-at-NCAR-2010-Hyderabad-India
04:10:24 <tuanta> cool
04:11:03 <dramsey> Other information?
04:11:37 <dramsey> Tomorrow is Akihabara with Fedora 14 for me.
04:11:52 <harish> excellent, david.
04:11:55 <harish> a few more updates:
04:12:00 <dramsey> Please!
04:12:18 <harish> I will be in Beijing Jan 9-15.  Hoping to meet Fedora CN folks
04:12:37 <harish> i will also be
04:12:57 <harish> attending the sanog.org event in Sri Lanka and speaking about Fedora/Virt/cloud Jan 17/18.
04:13:39 <harish> my last bit for Jan is to be at FUDCon, Tempe. Was planning on LCA, but had to weigh the two event which were essentially back to back.
04:13:45 <harish> and across an ocean.
04:14:06 <harish> that's it from me.
04:14:30 <dramsey> Great stuff!
04:14:42 <kaio> #idea kaio can send msg on chinese@lists.fedoraproject.org for harish's visit
04:14:57 <dramsey> Wonders if kaio...yes, I was thinking something like that
04:15:04 <kaio> dramsey☺ okay
04:15:05 <dramsey> Perfect!
04:15:24 <harish> thanks.
04:15:28 <dramsey> +1
04:15:51 <dramsey> arifiauo, kaio, tuanta, information / news?
04:16:34 <kaio> harish's user page is very simple. :P
04:16:54 <harish> kaio, yes it is.
04:17:01 <FranciscoD> Meeting still on I hope?
04:17:10 <dramsey> Hello FranciscoD
04:17:16 <kaio> fraggle_☺ still
04:17:19 <arifiauo> Hi FranciscoD :)
04:17:28 <harish> FranciscoD, welcome.
04:17:28 <FranciscoD> arifiauo: hello :)
04:17:31 <tuanta> Hi FranciscoD
04:17:32 <FranciscoD> .fas
04:17:34 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD
04:17:56 <dramsey> FranciscoD, we are reviewing information.
04:17:59 * FranciscoD scratches head : clearly I've been off IRC too long
04:18:12 <FranciscoD> dramsey: please proceed, I'm only in watching mode today :)
04:18:21 <dramsey> #chair tuanta FranciscoD
04:18:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo dramsey harish kaio tuanta
04:18:42 <zodbot> FranciscoD: (fas <query>) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match.
04:18:46 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
04:19:28 <dramsey> #topic Report current Status of upcoming events
04:20:04 <dramsey> Any news?
04:20:21 <dramsey> kaio, any news from FAmSCo?
04:22:12 <dramsey> Next topic?
04:22:16 <kaio> dramsey☺ we have this week and last week no meetings, but progresses are still ongoing.
04:22:24 <dramsey> Oh, okay...
04:22:31 <dramsey> Understood.
04:22:43 <kaio> on the last meeting we have assigned tasks on wiki pages that needlove
04:23:01 <dramsey> Sounds like an action/idea!
04:23:56 <dramsey> #idea assigned tasks on wiki pages need some love
04:23:58 <dramsey> :)
04:24:06 <kaio> Larry had taken the budget manager position, and I am appointed as vice-chairperson to help with meetings and wiki and tickets.
04:25:34 <dramsey> Good, other news?
04:25:50 <harish> kaio, good that you have taken that task.  i have difficulty using the trac and need help.
04:26:11 <harish> i can't seem to log in into trac
04:26:13 <dramsey> I am clueless on trac and definitely need help, too
04:26:32 <kaio> harish☺ trac is less user friendly, esp if you are a long time bugzilla user.
04:26:33 <FranciscoD> harish: you need to be a member of the required group for trac perms
04:26:55 <harish> FranciscoD, i see. and i will need to request for that then.
04:26:55 <FranciscoD> ( for example freemedia group to have perms to the freemedia trac )
04:27:09 <harish> i have some stuff assigned to me on trac and need to resolve it.
04:27:13 <tuanta> I prefer bugzilla tô
04:27:19 <kaio> harish☺ seems need help from fedora-admin to get that sorted out for you
04:27:46 <harish> kaio, willco
04:27:55 <kaio> np
04:28:32 <kaio> harish☺ do you have a profile page so I can put the url when I send msg to chinese mailing list about your visit?
04:29:44 <harish> kaio, i guess I should update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Harishpillay
04:30:07 <KageSenshi> eh theres meeting?
04:30:14 <KageSenshi> .fas izhar
04:30:15 <dramsey> Hello KageSenshi
04:30:15 <zodbot> KageSenshi: izhar 'Mohd Izhar Firdaus Ismail' <kagesenshi.87@gmail.com>
04:30:15 <tuanta> you must do that :)
04:30:17 <harish> KageSenshi, welcome
04:30:17 <kaio> the organizer of last beijing meet up, liuhongdan is moved to SG
04:30:34 <arifiauo> Hi KageSenshi :)
04:30:35 <KageSenshi> hi dramsey harish :)
04:30:37 <KageSenshi> hi arifiauo
04:30:43 <tuanta> you must do that, Harish, the current one is too simple :)
04:31:00 <kaio> harish☺ let me know when you updated your user page, then I send the msg timely thx
04:31:39 <kaio> tuanta☺ may be harish is too humble to list his great contributions
04:31:43 <kaio> :P
04:32:03 <tuanta> +1, kiao :)
04:32:18 <tuanta> s/kaio
04:33:13 <dramsey> Great, other thoughts or next topics?
04:33:41 <arifiauo> next topics :)
04:34:04 <dramsey> Okay.
04:34:12 <kaio> harish☺ I hope you will continue build up the bridge with community. The gap between Fedora community in China and RH is still quite wide.
04:34:12 <dramsey> #topic FAD brisbane + LCA
04:34:57 * kaio is wondering whether gbraad_ is confirmed his trip to Brisbane.
04:35:26 * kaio have not approved entry fee for LCA yet also.
04:35:48 <KageSenshi> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/109 < no news on this ticket for me :(
04:36:22 <dramsey> kaio, I was wondering if gbraad was going to the Tempe 2011...https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011
04:36:30 <dramsey> His name is listed on #126
04:36:34 <kaio> AFAIK many tech groups in Brisbane/Gold Coast aware the LCA and we just need to let them know our (Fedora) booth in the open day and FAD via their mailing list.
04:36:54 <dramsey> Great idea, kaio!
04:36:55 <dramsey> :)
04:37:12 <kaio> dramsey☺ yeah he said he wants to attend both, but I am unsure about the details
04:37:20 <dramsey> Ah, understood.
04:37:48 <dramsey> KageSenshi, is there someone we should inquire for you or make an idea / action for this meeting's logs?
04:38:23 <KageSenshi> you mean? for #109? .. not sure
04:38:26 <kaio> FYI, LCA has its anti-harassment policies, which there was a topic on fam mailing list about our potential needs on that
04:38:58 <dramsey> KageSenshi, yes
04:39:01 <KageSenshi> dramsey, mspevack probably .. but i'm not sure
04:39:02 <dramsey> kaio, that is news
04:39:35 <dramsey> #idea ping about (13:35:47) KageSenshi: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/109 regarding update for KageSenshi's planning
04:39:41 <kaio> #idea kaio is interested to observe if such anti-harassment policies of LCA is effective by attending the event
04:40:26 <dramsey> kaio, what is anti-harrassment policies about?
04:41:18 <kaio> dramsey☺ you can check out the conversation in fam list, that every attendant should respect each others
04:41:27 <kaio> too hard to explain everything here :)
04:41:43 <dramsey> okay, I will, thank you
04:41:53 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topics?
04:41:57 <tuanta> I know this
04:42:08 <tuanta> ok, next
04:42:27 <arifiauo> +1
04:42:32 <kaio> dramsey☺ someone has bad exp by their sex, appearance, background, and worst cases were sexual-assaulted
04:42:52 <dramsey> That's bad...
04:42:52 <kaio> hi lcafiero
04:42:55 <dramsey> hi lcafioer
04:43:01 <arifiauo> Hi lcafiero :)
04:43:05 <dramsey> s/lcafioer/lcafiero
04:43:20 <harish> kaio, updated my page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:HarishPillay
04:43:55 <kaio> dramsey☺ I believe most of Fedora people are good! But we may need to think about extreme worst cases.
04:44:11 <arifiauo> +1
04:44:12 <dramsey> Understood, kaio and plan accordingly
04:44:32 <kaio> harish☺ cool, very informative now. :)
04:45:10 <dramsey> +1
04:45:46 <tuanta> +1
04:47:42 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
04:48:56 <arifiauo> next
04:49:20 <KageSenshi> next i guess
04:50:18 <dramsey> Found a reference to the harassment at URL - http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=172
04:50:20 <dramsey> #topic APAC plans
04:50:34 <dramsey> Any needs from anyone?
04:50:57 <dramsey> #chair lcafiero
04:50:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD arifiauo dramsey harish kaio lcafiero tuanta
04:51:06 <dramsey> #chair KageSenshi
04:51:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD KageSenshi arifiauo dramsey harish kaio lcafiero tuanta
04:51:14 <harish> i would like to suggest that whoever is attending LCA to participate in the GPG key signing as well.
04:51:43 <dramsey> Great idea, harish!
04:51:45 <dramsey> +1
04:51:48 <KageSenshi> +1
04:51:49 <tuanta> +1
04:52:11 <dramsey> #idea suggest that whoever is attending LCA to participate in the GPG key signing
04:52:40 <harish> i would like to see 2011 be an active period where we have GPG key signing events as standard part of all Fedora events. It helps push the message.
04:53:06 <dramsey> A grand idea and message indeed!
04:53:14 <tuanta> +1
04:53:21 <dramsey> +1
04:53:22 <arifiauo> +1
04:53:24 <KageSenshi> +1
04:54:05 <harish> it is easy to run and we could use my page (adopted from mdomsch) as well as the one that LCA is using.
04:55:27 <dramsey> Fantastic!  Other ideas/thoughts?
04:55:41 <tuanta> for ones who would like to know more how to organize a key signing party, please visit: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/gnupg/signingparty/
04:55:49 <dramsey> +1
04:56:00 <arifiauo> Nice!
04:56:35 <kaio> +10
04:56:40 <kaio> s/0//
04:57:58 <KageSenshi> :D
04:59:03 <harish> guys, i need to sign out - going to mom's place for lunch.
04:59:12 <dramsey> Thank you, harish!
04:59:14 <dramsey> :)
04:59:23 <KageSenshi> harish, happy new year :)
04:59:24 <arifiauo> Bye harish :)
04:59:28 <dramsey> Other thoughts or next topic?
04:59:35 <tuanta> next topic please
04:59:50 <dramsey> #topic Classrooms for APAC
05:00:17 <kaio> #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/chinese/2011-January/004983.html
05:00:50 <kaio> dramsey☺ what kind of knowledge will be taught in the classrooms?]
05:01:18 <dramsey> Something that FransciscoD had written, I am not sure
05:01:40 <arifiauo> start from beginner class maybe?
05:02:06 <dramsey> Sounds like an idea, arifiauo
05:02:40 <FranciscoD> looks like my queue
05:02:41 <FranciscoD> ;)
05:03:14 <FranciscoD> fedora-classrooms already holds plenty of classrooms for fedora contributors
05:03:42 <FranciscoD> the idea was to start something APAC specific (or it can also be done in the fedora-classrooms, the topics will be APAC specific)
05:04:17 <FranciscoD> we havent really decided what topics the classrooms will cover : it's a highly unbaked idea
05:04:26 * FranciscoD waits for comments
05:05:01 * KageSenshi wondering what kind of topics are apac specific
05:05:49 <KageSenshi> non-technical?
05:06:17 <FranciscoD> yes, can be both
05:06:55 <FranciscoD> or we periodically ask apac folks for what they want, and take classrooms on that : which anyone can attend of course
05:07:12 <KageSenshi> ok
05:07:45 <FranciscoD> its basically the same thing as the fedora community classrooms, i guess we'll pay a *little* more attention to apac needs
05:07:56 <dramsey> FransciscoD, with meetings in the #fedora-classroom or something like that?
05:08:03 <FranciscoD> dramsey: yes
05:08:07 <KageSenshi> sounds ok to me ..
05:08:18 <FranciscoD> they already hold class rooms, loads of them
05:08:23 <FranciscoD> packaging, translation etc etc
05:09:03 <FranciscoD> one important thing will be that the timings will be better suited to APAC
05:09:17 * FranciscoD cant attend half of the current classrooms because they're at 3 am!
05:09:27 <lcafiero> And the mailman notices start coming in . . . .
05:09:28 <KageSenshi> haha :)
05:09:28 <FranciscoD> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/classroom
05:10:58 <FranciscoD> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom
05:11:55 <dramsey> Cool, other information and ideas?
05:14:19 <arifiauo> so we agree to use an existing class?
05:14:26 <FranciscoD> +1
05:15:54 <arifiauo> ok, next
05:16:13 <dramsey> #open Open Floor
05:17:04 <dramsey> #topic Open Floor
05:17:43 <dramsey> My carry on thought for training was something which was discussed by the Fedora Ambassadors North America about Red Hat Training for their Ambassadors...
05:17:54 <dramsey> I think may be an idea to consider for APAC.
05:17:57 <dramsey> What do you think?
05:18:49 <KageSenshi> RH training as in marketing training?
05:19:52 <dramsey> KageSenshi, good question.  I think that the Fedora Ambassadors North America were considering classwork for their Ambassadors.  The marketing training has potential and may be an idea to consider as well, if you are interested in proposing
05:20:04 <lcafiero> No, there had been discussion about RH training for test taking.
05:20:08 <lcafiero> In NA.
05:20:23 <KageSenshi> what test ?
05:20:47 <lcafiero> The one that replaced the RHCT and the RHCE.
05:20:51 <KageSenshi> ah
05:21:20 <lcafiero> I think RHCT is now something like RHCSA or something like that, with the SA meaning systems admin
05:21:34 <dramsey> RHCSA?
05:21:36 <KageSenshi> not sure how that relates to ambassadors :) but cool :)
05:21:46 <arifiauo> aiming for what?
05:22:29 <dramsey> Like http://sandro-mathys.ch/2010/05/25/rhce-of-the-year-2010-for-europe
05:22:38 <lcafiero> It doesn't exactly, but it does make some of those who wish to pursue it more knowledgeable about fedora and RH.
05:22:43 <dramsey> Sandro Mathys and John Rose as RHCE of the year
05:22:50 <KageSenshi> right
05:22:51 <lcafiero> Right. Both Ambassadors.
05:22:58 <lcafiero> :-)
05:23:27 <lcafiero> It's not for everyone - only those who are interested in studying and taking the test(s)
05:23:59 <dramsey> Good points lcafiero!  :D
05:24:00 <arifiauo> I'm interest :)
05:24:02 <dramsey> John Rose - http://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/success_stories/stories/jrose.html
05:24:21 <lcafiero> aka inode0
05:24:46 <dramsey> +1
05:25:25 <KageSenshi> :)
05:25:26 <KageSenshi> +1
05:26:58 <dramsey> That's it from me.
05:27:05 <dramsey> Other ideas?
05:27:34 <FranciscoD> eat roast?
05:27:38 <FranciscoD> ;)
05:27:42 <arifiauo> Maybe it's time to conclude this meeting?
05:27:54 <dramsey> End meeting?
05:27:55 <KageSenshi> guess so
05:28:19 <dramsey> Thank you all for attending and a great Happy New Year!
05:28:23 <KageSenshi> happy new year all :)
05:28:30 <FranciscoD> +2011
05:28:37 <arifiauo> Good day everyone :)
05:28:40 <dramsey> Sending positive Fedora 14 and 15 energy to your computers now!  :)
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05:28:48 <tuanta> bye
05:28:50 <dramsey> #endmeeting