05:04:37 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
05:04:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 16 05:04:37 2010 UTC.  The chair is tagoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:04:42 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:04:47 <tagoh> #topic agenda
05:04:56 <tagoh> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-12-16
05:05:40 <tagoh> who else here today?
05:06:34 <dingyichen> hi
05:07:05 <dueno> hi
05:07:12 <jni> tagoh, hi, peng wu is on training this morning, he just on his way to office, probably 20 minutes late
05:07:28 <tagoh> hi
05:07:36 <tagoh> jni: sure. thanks
05:08:16 <jni> tagoh, np
05:09:33 <tagoh> ok, let's get started then.
05:09:38 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:11:17 <tagoh> there are nothing particularly to inform at the moment. any particular updates/concerns etc on f15 you want to share with us?
05:11:47 <pravins> hi
05:12:01 <tagoh> pravins: hi
05:12:47 <pravins> one task pending from me is to propose feature of predictive typing
05:13:05 <pravins> i will do it, just in process of hosting project on fedorahosted
05:13:18 <tagoh> pravins: ok
05:13:46 <tagoh> good to hear that
05:14:38 <dingyichen> tagoh, just submit the CVS/GIT request for man-pages-zh-CN, thanks of pwu's help.
05:14:54 <tagoh> cool
05:16:30 <tagoh> no projects of man-pages for zh_TW btw?
05:18:11 <dingyichen> tagoh, not I aware of direct, though manpages-zh does provide conversion script.
05:18:23 <tagoh> aha
05:18:40 <tagoh> just wonder
05:19:45 <tagoh> anyway good to see improving the language support
05:20:28 <tagoh> anything else?
05:21:37 <tagoh> ok, let's move on then.
05:21:44 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:23:07 <tagoh> any updates that need some testing?
05:24:10 <tagoh> would be appreciate any of you can volunteer the testing if any
05:25:22 <Alam> glibc-2.12.90-21 need karma
05:25:31 <tagoh> I see some bugs closed in f13/f14. that would be nice.
05:25:56 <Alam> bug (#657556) fixed - glibc doesn't provide as_IN locale, only as_IN.utf8
05:26:08 <tagoh> Alam: aha
05:27:19 <tagoh> Alam: other indic locales is ok?
05:27:36 <Alam> yes, other are working, but found problem with as_IN
05:27:44 <tagoh> I see
05:28:30 <Alam> bug was for Fedora 15, but fedora 14 also have problem
05:29:05 <Alam> build is for fedora 14 also, so it should be no problem
05:29:13 <tagoh> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/glibc-2.12.90-21
05:30:29 <tagoh> Alam: thanks for bring this up. will have a try later.
05:30:40 <Alam> thanks
05:32:02 <tagoh> pravins: would be nice to have a try if you have a spare time.
05:32:22 <tagoh> anything else?
05:32:37 <pravins> tagoh: yes, sure
05:32:51 <pravins> i will do right now :)
05:33:11 <tagoh> pravins: thanks!
05:33:43 <tagoh> ok, shall we move on?
05:33:59 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:35:45 <tagoh> just worked out fixing issue that matches lang="en" with other languages on fontconfig upstream
05:36:59 <tagoh> not yet well checked our bz if there are any bugs get fixed with it
05:37:11 <pravins> i have also not done any work this week
05:37:29 <pravins> though there was one thread on harfbuzz-ng mailing list about indic list
05:37:40 <tagoh> aha. what's the topic?
05:37:42 <pravins> looks like behdad planning to start indic work soon
05:37:50 <tagoh> cool
05:38:28 <pravins> yeah, i will start look into that from mid of next week
05:38:41 <tagoh> ok
05:39:16 <pravins> though still there are thinking from where to start
05:39:29 <pravins> should start with pango/old harfbuzz indic module
05:39:43 <pravins> jonathan did some work, so dunno might be start from there
05:39:53 <tagoh> aha
05:40:22 <pravins> i think old-harfbuzz indic module will be good, but yet not seen what jonathan has done
05:40:56 <tagoh> guess it may be up to the roadmap of harfbuzz-ng
05:42:05 <pravins> yes
05:42:09 <tagoh> if it's not available soon, may be good to work on old one?
05:42:30 <pravins> yes, i also think same
05:42:36 <tagoh> ok
05:42:39 * pravins also little bit familiar with ld one :)
05:42:49 <pravins> s/ld/old
05:43:21 <tagoh> ok, ahything else around fonts/rendering?
05:45:01 <pravins> Alam: tested, its working fine, (given karma as well)
05:45:02 <tagoh> it looks like a bit less activities on bz. guess we may need some volunteers for them
05:47:01 <Alam> pravins: thanks
05:47:25 <tagoh> anyway, let's move on then.
05:47:36 <tagoh> #topic ibus
05:48:22 <tagoh> btw one new package review seems on-going - ibus-unikey
05:48:29 <tagoh> .bug 662604
05:48:31 <zodbot> tagoh: Bug 662604 Review Request: ibus-unikey - A Vietnamese engine for IBus input platform that uses Unikey. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=662604
05:49:17 <tagoh> any updates on ibus?
05:49:43 <pravins> tagoh: for predictive project i am working, while using ibus-table i faced some problem
05:50:02 <pravins> but when i tried same thing with scim-table, it is giving me great result
05:50:10 <tagoh> aha
05:50:16 <pravins> i have sent mail to ibus-devel about that
05:50:23 <pravins> just pated that at http://pastebin.com/5W2DmxFy
05:51:32 <pravins> dingyichen: can we do anything or should i keep it will scim-table :(
05:52:19 <pravins> dunno but in future, i would like to see separate ibus-engine for typing-booster
05:53:28 <dingyichen> pravins, I will put that as the improvement of ibus-table
05:53:28 <tagoh> sure. that would be good if both are so different IMHO
05:54:26 <pravins> thanks dingyichen
05:55:17 <pravins> tagoh: yes
05:55:31 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
05:55:58 <tagoh> dueno: do you have anything? :)
05:56:21 <dueno> ah, a bit too late for manpages discussion,
05:56:46 <dueno> I'm gathering line-breaking rules: http://ueno.fedorapeople.org/groff/make-cjk-tmac/cjk.tmac
05:57:08 <dueno> if anyone could provide more data sources, that would be great :)
05:57:13 <tagoh> aha. cool
05:58:22 <tagoh> dueno: can you explain a bit what's the outstanding issues on groff?
06:00:26 <tagoh> or any pointers to bz etc would be nice too
06:01:08 <dueno> aha http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552201
06:02:01 <tagoh> dueno: guess that would be good to send a mail to i18n or/and devel for more feedbacks?
06:02:37 <tagoh> dueno: thanks
06:02:53 <dueno> sure I'll send a mail to fedora i18n list later :)
06:03:03 <tagoh> cool
06:04:53 <tagoh> back to ibus, anything else?
06:06:36 <tagoh> ok, anything before closing the meeting?
06:06:43 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:08:02 <Alam> tagoh: need help for Test Day
06:08:04 <Alam> for i18n
06:08:46 <tagoh> Alam: sure. I saw some announcement on the list though, maybe good to mention a bit details about it :)
06:09:28 <Alam> we need plan few test day for fedora 15
06:09:39 <Alam> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_15_test_days
06:09:45 <Alam> some slots are free
06:10:07 <tagoh> aha
06:10:43 <Alam> some test Days I have in mind - Anaconda i18n, keyboard selection, default packages for languages, ibus (Asian locales),
06:11:10 <tagoh> maybe good for fonts too?
06:11:26 <tagoh> fonts and rendering?
06:11:35 <Alam> yes, need to
06:11:55 <Alam> fonts + Rendering (icu/pango/qt), may be 3 test days
06:12:12 <tagoh> sounds good
06:13:35 <tagoh> guess we could borrow the last plan for IM
06:13:51 <Alam> yes, anaconda /keyboard plan is also there
06:13:57 <tagoh> ok
06:14:23 <tagoh> need to have one for default packages and fonts then?
06:15:24 <tagoh> let me make a draft if needed
06:15:42 <Alam> yes, that will be good
06:16:47 <tagoh> #action tagoh to create a draft of the test plan for default packages and fonts/rendering
06:17:00 <Alam> thanks
06:17:44 <tagoh> ok, let's close the meeting then.
06:17:47 <tagoh> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:17:53 <tagoh> #endmeeting