05:04:42 <tagoh> #startmeeting i18n
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05:04:50 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:05:01 <tagoh> #topic agenda
05:05:09 <tagoh> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-11-18
05:05:49 <tagoh> who else here?
05:05:52 <paragn> hi
05:05:57 <dueno_> hi
05:06:45 <epico_laptop> hi
05:07:05 <juhp> hi
05:07:12 <tagoh> hi
05:07:46 <tagoh> let's get started
05:08:13 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:08:19 <fujiwarat> hi
05:10:01 <pravins> hi
05:10:05 <juhp> rawhide installs and boots now
05:10:07 <tagoh> well, wasn't higher priority but most ibus-* rebuilt done, we still have two packages required to rebuild
05:10:15 <tagoh> ibus-fbterm and ibus-sunpinyin
05:11:32 <juhp> dychen_: I see someone fixed the ibus-chewing scriptlets
05:14:45 <tagoh> aside from that, we have about two months remained for feature submission though, wonder if we have anything?
05:15:17 <juhp> I think we need to improve ibus on gnome-shell at least
05:15:28 <tagoh> right
05:15:36 <juhp> at least fix the current problems at a minimum
05:15:50 <tagoh> should we do that with some milestone and clarify that on the feature page say?
05:16:33 <juhp> yeah that would make sense perhaps
05:17:00 <juhp> fujiwarat: how do you think?
05:18:51 <juhp> alternatively we could use a tracker bug perhaps
05:19:36 <juhp> mclasen pointed me at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus/InputLanguage
05:19:39 <tagoh> sure. anyway making some milestones to improve/fix would be nice.
05:19:47 <juhp> yep
05:19:53 <fujiwarat> agree
05:20:28 <dychen_> juhp, great
05:20:58 <juhp> fujiwarat: do you want to create the page on the fedora wiki say?
05:21:00 <tagoh> juhp: any progress on that?
05:21:30 <juhp> not that i know
05:22:11 <fujiwarat> petersen: Do you mean the wiki for gnome-shell and ibus?
05:23:53 <tagoh> that may be one of milestones. may be good to be "ibus improvements" or something like that for generic improvements on ibus?
05:24:21 <juhp> fujiwarat: above link is some upstream feature page - we are thinking a page specific for tracking ibus integration for gnoe-shell in F15
05:24:59 <juhp> it could also be a feature page ideally
05:25:11 <juhp> guess it depends on the scope, etc
05:25:34 <juhp> at the very minimum I think we need a fedora tracking bug
05:26:49 <juhp> but maybe you feel it is better to do the work in ibus upstream?
05:27:12 <fujiwarat> juhp: I think probably it's good to have a fedora wiki.
05:27:12 <juhp> any other thoughts?
05:27:16 <juhp> yeah
05:28:44 <fujiwarat> I just tried to update gnome-shell only but it's still have the dependency problems of java scripts. I'll try to get whole the rawhide.
05:28:45 <juhp> perhaps we need another meeting to scope the project?
05:28:57 <juhp> ok
05:29:05 <tagoh> juhp: sure. sounds good
05:29:18 <nkumar> hi
05:29:47 <juhp> ok
05:30:06 <tagoh> ok, set another meeting and talk more on it later.
05:30:24 <tagoh> better move on.
05:30:34 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:32:00 <tagoh> anything?
05:32:46 <paragn> need karma on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/iok-1.3.12-1.fc14
05:32:50 <juhp> not from me - except I became a provetester :)
05:32:56 <juhp> -n-
05:33:00 <tagoh> dunno if it's feasible but may be good to have a small tool to pick up the relevant packages to us from bodhi.
05:33:06 <paragn> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/m17n-contrib-1.1.12-2.fc14,m17n-db-1.6.2-1.fc14,m17n-lib-1.6.2-1.fc14
05:33:08 <juhp> yeah
05:33:09 <tagoh> juhp: congrats!
05:35:16 <tagoh> any volunteers for above testing would be appreciated.
05:35:18 <juhp> paragn: I can try to test later/tomorrow perhaps - they have 0 karma?
05:35:30 <paragn> yes
05:35:47 <juhp> I usually test my own updates too :)
05:36:02 <juhp> I think it encourage others to test too
05:36:31 <tagoh> juhp: is the count for proventesters valid with your own? :)
05:37:07 <juhp> tagoh: heh - good question dunno :)
05:37:18 <paragn> I have seen very less response to i18n packages for karma
05:37:23 <juhp> probably, shrug :)
05:37:43 <paragn> so decided I will push less updates or will keep them in testing
05:38:13 <tagoh> I'm usually waiting for 1 week to make it stable ;)
05:38:20 <tagoh> but anyway
05:38:30 <juhp> me too
05:38:36 <juhp> and self-test
05:39:17 <tagoh> anything else packages need more attentions?
05:39:37 <tagoh> otherwise let's move on.
05:40:14 <tagoh> #topic F12 bugs cleanup
05:40:38 <tagoh> since we missed this topic in the last meeting, I changed the order of the agenda to discuss more on it
05:41:01 <tagoh> we still have 15 bugs assigned to f12.
05:41:24 <juhp> aha
05:41:49 <tagoh> good to have a little time to revisit them, testing and consider to close or change the version for the fix.
05:43:54 <juhp> yeah
05:44:58 <tagoh> just for spotlight it since we don't have enough time to discuss here. would be nice to be 0 bugs till next meeting.
05:45:11 <juhp> F12 eols on 2 Dec btw
05:45:57 <tagoh> thanks
05:46:33 <tagoh> if you have own bugs there, please test it again. otherwise any volunteers are welcome.
05:46:59 <juhp> ok
05:47:04 <tagoh> I'll go through the list later too
05:47:26 <tagoh> #topic Fonts and Rendering
05:48:03 <tagoh> not too much changes made in even bugs though
05:48:21 <pravins> i am trying to test harfbuzz-ng
05:48:28 * juhp is looking at http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/xmlgraphics/fop/tags/fop-1_0/README
05:48:37 <pravins> i am thinking to call hb_shape from ftstring
05:49:01 <pravins> so presently just understanding ftstring code, so calling hb shape appropriately
05:49:05 <tagoh> pravins: aha
05:49:31 <pravins> but some of my concepts are not clear, so i will ping you some time for it
05:49:51 <pravins> hb_shape of new harfbuzz-ng
05:50:46 <tagoh> ok
05:50:50 <pravins> thanks
05:51:13 <pravins> next week i will work on lohit devanagari and resolve all open bugs
05:51:33 <tagoh> also nice to triage NEW bugs for lohit? ah, ok, cool
05:51:58 <pravins> sure, most of them for rawhide
05:52:09 <tagoh> ok
05:52:15 <pravins> i did able to reproduce https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591556
05:52:57 <pravins> hinting stuff, will check once again this next week (trail and error)
05:53:04 <pravins> liberation font
05:53:18 <tagoh> good
05:54:23 <tagoh> ok, shall we move on?
05:54:28 <pravins> yep
05:54:34 <tagoh> #topic ibus xkb
05:55:15 <juhp> okay this is carried over from last week I guess
05:55:15 <tagoh> hm, just borrowed the agenda from the last meeting ;)
05:55:53 <juhp> dunno if there is anything new on ibus or input to discuss? :)
05:56:25 <juhp> perhaps we could also use this slot to track gnome3 progress etc
05:56:32 <tagoh> right
05:56:48 <fujiwarat> juhp: Are you able to use ibus in rawhide?
05:57:53 <fujiwarat> I'd like to get feedback about 530711
05:57:59 <fujiwarat> fedbot: bug 530711
05:58:03 <juhp> fujiwarat: yes
05:58:12 <juhp> aha
05:58:19 <fujiwarat> Which default is prefered?
05:58:29 <fujiwarat> I mean ibus-setup.
05:58:41 <fujiwarat> https://github.com/fujiwarat/ibus/commit/ee49f6f7c15305a9344c8496d937a13f8d42187d
05:58:49 <fujiwarat> I suggest use user customized mode by default. It is same with current logic.
05:59:26 <juhp> you mean default for "Customize active input methods"?
05:59:35 <fujiwarat> It would be great if I can get any feedback about this after the meeting :).
05:59:43 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes exactly.
05:59:47 <juhp> I see
06:00:04 <juhp> fujiwarat: what does off mean actually?  just list default ime for locale?
06:00:51 <fujiwarat> Yes, off mean the preload engines are calculated by every login.
06:01:06 <juhp> ok
06:01:19 <juhp> fujiwarat: how about off if there an engine otherwise on?
06:02:19 <juhp> fujiwarat: anyway I like the feature
06:02:24 <fujiwarat> off is customize mode. If the preload engine is NULL, the list is calculated by locale.
06:02:43 <fujiwarat> The off would be compatible with the previous ibus.
06:02:47 <juhp> ok I mean checkbox is off but anyway
06:03:24 <fujiwarat> Do you like off is default? If yes, it's same with phuang.
06:03:32 <juhp> so i mean default to custom mode if there are no engines for the curret locale
06:04:12 <fujiwarat> OK, I have another thought but now I'm convinced :).
06:04:27 <fujiwarat> thx
06:04:40 <juhp> thanks
06:05:30 <juhp> hope I was clear :)
06:05:31 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
06:06:56 <tagoh> or anything you want to bring up before finishing the meeting?
06:08:50 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting.
06:09:23 <tagoh> #endmeeting