02:03:09 <lcafiero> #startmeeting FAmNA 11-17-10
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02:03:28 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2010-11-17#Agenda
02:03:31 <nb> #meetingname famna
02:03:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna'
02:03:39 <lcafiero> Thanks, nb
02:03:47 <nb> np
02:03:49 <lcafiero> training wheels are still on, thank goodness
02:04:25 <lcafiero> #topic Announcements
02:04:58 <lcafiero> Floor is open for announcements while I see if I can rustle up some Canadians :-)
02:07:49 <VileGent> rrix,  said earlier that he has 2500 buttons ready to distrubute
02:08:29 <lcafiero> MarkDude isn't here because he's giving an F14 presentation at BALUG (Bay Area LUG) in San Francisco. He also had an event that was fairly successful on Saturday in Walnut Creek, east of Oakland
02:09:47 <lcafiero> OK, any other announcements?
02:10:32 <lcafiero> Hearing none, let's move on to . . . .
02:11:01 <lcafiero> #topic events
02:11:09 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
02:12:42 <xm4n> xm4nfedoralinux here
02:13:06 <VileGent> earlier i was told there was a hold on the vbanners going to NY event
02:13:11 <lcafiero> Anyone hear from Charles Proffit on NSCATE in Rochester?
02:13:13 <VileGent> i will verify tomorrow
02:13:16 <lcafiero> Right, that event VileGent
02:13:24 <lcafiero> hey, xm4n - welcome
02:13:51 <VileGent> the banners are in NY city at the moment so should be a easy ship
02:14:26 <lcafiero> It's not until the weekend, so it should be good.
02:14:28 <xm4n> Thank you lcafiero
02:15:24 <xm4n> What is first on agenda?
02:15:28 <lcafiero> Looking forward we have Salon Du Logiciel Libre Du Québec in Quebec Dec 6-7 (I think)
02:15:37 <lcafiero> we're on events now, xm4n.
02:16:03 <xm4n> ok
02:16:40 <lcafiero> that's Arsenick's event, but he's not here to talk about it. But I can say that I'm sending the horizontal banner to him to keep for the canada event box.
02:17:23 <nb> lcafiero, i'm sending him swag
02:17:30 <lcafiero> excellent, nb
02:18:05 <lcafiero> what about events in the recent past? I have one and I know xm4n has one, too.
02:18:28 <VileGent> and your reports are where?
02:18:40 <xm4n> Yes, We in Laredo, TX have held our first-ever Fedora Release PArty.
02:18:41 <lcafiero> it was not my event, actually, but I was there.
02:18:52 * lcafiero yields the floor to xm4n
02:19:19 <xm4n> It was an absolute blast for the new comers and experienced as well.
02:19:26 <xm4n> Thanks lcariero
02:20:02 <lcafiero> you reported this on the mailing list, too, xm4n, right?
02:20:05 <xm4n> The organization hosting this is the Laredo Linux Users Group but on November 6th we hosted the Fedora 14 Release PArty
02:20:20 <xm4n> Yes I reported on the mailing list
02:20:24 * lcafiero is sorry -- I thought you were done. :-(
02:20:25 <xm4n> about the event.
02:20:37 <xm4n> no problem
02:20:51 <lcafiero> Let's talk later about getting you set up with a blog so you can post on the fedora planet.
02:21:09 <xm4n> Sure thing lcafiero
02:21:18 * lcafiero notes that xm4n is my mentee and is not yet an ambassador, but is doing well.
02:22:59 <lcafiero> ke4qqq and beth lynn eicher -- mostly the latter -- had an event at LISA '10 in San Jose last week. I attended as part of the team which did a presentation, though I didn't do much in the way of present. There were about 60 people in attendance and ke4qqq did a great job emceeing (for lack of a better term) the presentation.
02:23:05 <lcafiero> Beth Lynn did great as well.
02:23:44 <lcafiero> OK
02:23:49 <lcafiero> Anything else for events.
02:23:51 <lcafiero> ?
02:24:02 <xm4n> I was mainly the host for the Fedora release Party in Laredo, TX so I basically gave a speech about Linux and Fedora specifically.
02:24:26 <xm4n> and then I had the pleasure to distibute Live media to the attendees
02:24:42 <xm4n> and helped some even install Fedora 14 on their laptops!
02:25:09 <lcafiero> Excellent
02:25:17 <xm4n> Lots of networking between students, enthusiasts, and experienced Unix gurus.
02:26:02 <lcafiero> Great job, xm4n
02:26:11 <xm4n> Attendees came out of the Fedora Release Party well-informed about what Fedora is and what the mission and values of Fedora is.
02:26:11 <lcafiero> Let's move on to the next topic on the agenda
02:26:20 <xm4n> ok Thanks.
02:26:27 <lcafiero> Thanks, xm4n
02:26:43 <lcafiero> Next on the list
02:26:56 <lcafiero> #topic Budget Review
02:27:15 <lcafiero> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
02:27:41 <lcafiero> VileGent, you had something for this?
02:28:17 <VileGent> rrix,  says he has 2500 buttons to distrubute
02:28:24 * dmaxel is here, by the way, but so far has nothing to say.
02:28:33 <VileGent> and you have a shipment going to CA
02:28:45 <VileGent> i think we should combine the 2 a little
02:28:54 <lcafiero> So you want me to send buttons with the horizontal banner?
02:28:57 <lcafiero> I can do that.
02:29:14 <VileGent> let rrix keep 500 for Fudcon
02:29:29 <lcafiero> #action lcafiero to get buttons from rrix for shipment to canada
02:29:30 <VileGent> 200 to canada
02:29:43 <StabbyMc> I've got pens in hand and should get stickers in a couple of days.
02:29:51 <StabbyMc> Will be shipping both out probably next week.
02:29:58 <lcafiero> Woo hoo!
02:29:59 <VileGent> and distrubte the others to distro points equal
02:30:57 <VileGent> and i will make that a motion
02:31:57 <lcafiero> I'm sorry, VileGent -- could you repeat your motion?
02:32:36 <StabbyMc> rrix keeps 500 buttons for fudcon, sends 200 to candada, and distribute the rest evenly to the regions.
02:32:44 <lcafiero> Ah, got it. OK.
02:33:02 <lcafiero> Forgive me, with pens and stickers in the mix, I got lost for a second
02:33:05 <StabbyMc> that's what I got as the motion anyway.
02:33:11 <VileGent> yep
02:33:31 <StabbyMc> sorry I horned in at an inopportune time.
02:33:38 <VileGent> perfect time
02:34:02 <lcafiero> OK, good. Motion to have rrix keep 500 buttons for  ducdon, send 200 to canada and distribute the rest evenly to the regions.
02:34:14 <lcafiero> +1 from me
02:34:18 <VileGent> +1
02:34:27 <lcafiero> dudcon=fudcon
02:34:38 * lcafiero hopes that wasn't freudian.
02:34:51 <lcafiero> Anyone oppose?
02:35:25 <lcafiero> Hearing none, motion carries
02:35:55 <lcafiero> #action have rrix keep 500 buttons for FUDCon, send 200 to canada and distribute the rest evenly to the regions.
02:36:12 <lcafiero> Is spevack here?
02:36:25 <lcafiero> I have a clarifying question if he's available.
02:36:33 <lcafiero> regarding the budget.
02:36:50 <lcafiero> But it can wait.
02:36:56 <inode0> 500 for fudcon?
02:37:22 <StabbyMc> from what I understand theres a lot of room in the budget, so if there's more stuff we want, we can probably get it.
02:37:43 <lcafiero> Also, if there are left over buttons, I can take them back with me
02:38:02 <inode0> I hope there are 250 people at fudcon
02:38:22 <VileGent> lcafiero,  well a extra 100 was for rrix events that he is having as well
02:38:35 <lcafiero> Ah, that's right.
02:38:47 * inode0 has no objection at all to rrix keeping 500
02:39:07 <lcafiero> incidentally, rrix now has the wc event box in his possession.
02:40:03 <lcafiero> Speaking to what StabbyMc said earlier about the budget, I wanted to make the point (with spevack's help) that we have used roughly half our budget according to the wiki.
02:40:25 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: the wiki is a bit out of date
02:40:47 <lcafiero> As of October 5, it says
02:40:51 <nb> rrix, ping me and i'll make you labels
02:41:25 * spevack will be getting it updated through november pretty soon.
02:41:27 <VileGent> nb,  lol he has had alot of offers
02:41:32 <nb> VileGent, oh ok
02:41:42 <VileGent> nb waiting on weight
02:41:45 <lcafiero> excellent, thanks spevack
02:41:48 <StabbyMc> spevack!  so how are we on budget?
02:41:55 <nb> k
02:42:08 <lcafiero> I also wanted to ask if leftover funds can be rolled over to next year, or do we lose them?
02:42:15 <lcafiero> spevack^^^
02:42:34 * spevack looks up some current numbers
02:43:34 <spevack> F14 media isn't reflected in those numbers, so the actual number is higher, but we're certainly not under any threat of reaching 100% usage.
02:44:27 <spevack> As for next year -- it won't roll over, but it won't be cut either.  My first proposal for next year has the "Premier Fedora Events" (FUDCons + FADs) budget and the "Regional support" budget adding up to the same amount as this year.
02:44:42 <lcafiero> Good to know.
02:44:47 <spevack> Which is $180k -- but I think it suggests a 90/90 breakdown instead of a 80/100 breakdown.
02:44:58 <spevack> But ultimately, that's a fuzzy line which *we* can draw however we like.
02:45:23 <StabbyMc> spevack: last meeting more case badges were identified as a need, is that something we can re-order?
02:45:24 * nb will have a little to send in for reimbursement, for shipping to canada, and a few shipping supplies, but it'll be well less than $100
02:45:26 * lcafiero grins
02:45:34 <spevack> StabbyMc: absolutely.
02:45:45 <spevack> Here's my primary goal for money-related stuff in 2011:
02:46:18 <spevack> Build a culture of confidence, in which people who know they are acting in the best interest of Fedora feel fully empowered to do anything that they need to do at $500 or less, and only ask for a sanity check/+1 when something goes above that number.
02:46:28 * spevack wonders what meeting he's crashing right now
02:46:32 * spevack looks at the topic
02:46:53 <nb> spevack, interesting
02:46:54 <lcafiero> Oh, sorry, max -- FAmNA
02:47:22 <VileGent> spevack,  i think this group does has good communications that we know what is going on
02:47:46 <lcafiero> +1
02:47:48 <VileGent> thus ordering the balloons
02:47:54 <dramsey> excellent goal.  +1
02:47:56 <spevack> nb: it is frustrating (not in a "oh, i'm annoyed" way but in a "it makes me feel like we've failed at a higher level" way when I see tickets opened where people block for a day or more on a +1 to do something that costs $50
02:48:09 <spevack> Fedora: Just Do It
02:48:13 <nb> spevack, yeah, makes sense
02:48:19 <spevack> So that's the rationale for me thinking
02:48:32 <spevack> er, my thinking
02:48:47 <lcafiero> me got that
02:49:26 <lcafiero> OK. Anything more on budget?
02:49:44 <VileGent> well how many case badges do we want to order
02:50:18 <nb> they seem to be very popular and go quickly
02:50:28 <spevack> didn't we get 10k last time?
02:50:34 <VileGent> http://noname.math.vt.edu/Fedoraunity/case_badges.html
02:50:45 <spevack> we'll just do that again.  Spread them around the world, etc.
02:50:50 <inode0> I recall a tremendous break after about the first 1000
02:50:52 <lcafiero> Right.
02:51:02 <VileGent> thats the prices from the origional order
02:51:39 * spevack votes for 12k for $2k
02:52:35 <StabbyMc> no spevack no, don't buy us stuff, we hateses stuff!
02:52:41 <lcafiero> Heh.
02:52:44 <lcafiero> Is that a motion?
02:52:58 <StabbyMc> ;-)
02:53:02 <VileGent> +1 spevack
02:53:07 <nb> +1 spevack
02:53:14 <lcafiero> +1
02:53:28 <dramsey> +1
02:53:44 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: I think that's carried :-)
02:53:44 <lcafiero> Any objections?
02:53:53 <lcafiero> I would think
02:54:15 <lcafiero> #action buy 12k case badges
02:54:16 * inode0 seems to recall only dthomasdigital and spevack have ordered these
02:54:27 <spevack> I'll do it.
02:54:34 <inode0> is spevack going to call and reorder or does ... ok
02:54:38 <spevack> It was easy last time.  One phone call and it was done
02:54:42 <inode0> :)
02:54:43 <lcafiero> thanks, spevack
02:55:00 <lcafiero> thanks, too, for being available for questions, etc.
02:55:20 <VileGent> besides max has the credit card
02:55:22 <StabbyMc> Have we ever thought about doing a glossy marketing handout?
02:55:49 <inode0> we did print flyers and media kits this year
02:55:55 <VileGent> StabbyMc,  that is a question for the marketing group
02:55:58 <inode0> not overly glossy
02:56:12 <lcafiero> Right.
02:56:33 <lcafiero> Any other budget related issue or can we move on to the next item?
02:56:52 <nb> did we reorder pens and stickers?
02:56:53 <StabbyMc> A few years ago I worked a show where I handed out glossy cardstock square 8"x8" fliers, they seemed to go over pretty well.
02:57:04 <StabbyMc> I don't know if that might be something to do for us as well?
02:57:15 <lcafiero> nb, I think we did -- StabbyMc mentioned it earlier.
02:57:25 <StabbyMc> nb: done, have pens, should have stickers later this week, and I'll ship next week.
02:57:44 <VileGent> ship to me not ke4qqq
02:57:52 <StabbyMc> Yep.
02:57:53 <inode0> and ship to nb and not me :)
02:58:00 <StabbyMc> VileGent, you owe me a shipment still ;-)
02:58:03 <lcafiero> ship to me! ship to me!
02:58:05 <StabbyMc> inode0: ack.
02:58:10 <nb> oh yeah, inode0 you're shipping me shirts right?
02:58:18 <inode0> some day :)
02:58:22 <lcafiero> Heh.
02:58:24 <lcafiero> OK
02:58:25 * nb is going to send some of his to canada for arsenick's event i think
02:58:29 <nb> not sure how many to send
02:58:30 <lcafiero> Meanwhile, back at the agenda . . . .
02:58:32 <nb> but i can discuss that later
02:58:53 <lcafiero> So can we move to the next item?
02:59:30 <inode0> you run the meeting, do it
02:59:44 <lcafiero> Well, I want to make sure everyone is through with budget
02:59:52 <lcafiero> Anyway, for our next topic
02:59:58 <lcafiero> #topic Canada swag
03:00:05 <lcafiero> No link for this one.
03:00:37 <inode0> Canada can have swag without even a link?
03:00:59 <lcafiero> Thanks to an incredible brain lapse by yours truly who thought today was Monday and was going to gather the Canadian folks here in an email later this evening.
03:01:07 <lcafiero> I am going to wing this one myself.
03:01:43 <lcafiero> There has been ongoing discussions about using Canadian vendors for canadian swag so we can avoid sending stuff, with tariffs, across the border.
03:02:19 <lcafiero> I know Arsenick is actively pursuing Canadian vendors for the stuff we produce down here in the lower 48
03:02:45 <inode0> generally I think everyone supports helping them as they transition to producing their own stuff
03:02:52 <lcafiero> So that's sort of ongoing.
03:03:04 <lcafiero> Right. And what I'm suggesting is that we keep helping them out up there.
03:03:41 <inode0> has there been any resistance?
03:03:53 <lcafiero> not on our end, no.
03:04:08 * StabbyMc votes for a Canada tee that says "Fedora, eh?"
03:04:11 <inode0> ok, good
03:04:14 <lcafiero> Heh.
03:04:23 <inode0> it takes time to find vendors and get things going
03:04:44 <inode0> we didn't just snap our fingers and have everything in place, it took time
03:04:51 <lcafiero> part of it, I've gleaned from conversations, is that getting templates for items like buttons, etc., may not be easy to find.
03:05:07 <inode0> oh, we can certainly make that easy
03:05:10 <lcafiero> Right, inode0, and that's another hurdle they're jumping.
03:05:37 <lcafiero> Well, one of the things I'd like to do is have us make getting stuff like that easy for them.
03:05:51 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: you mean like what to send to the vendor to get produced (when you say templates)?
03:05:51 <lcafiero> And I guess that's kind of a "thank you, captain obvious" kind of request.
03:06:01 <lcafiero> Right.
03:06:08 <inode0> the only catch is that our art for swag is generally in a format asked for by a specific vendor
03:06:11 <lcafiero> Thinks like what we would send to the buttonmaker here.
03:06:15 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: most of that stuff in on the wiki, and can be downloaded.
03:06:17 <inode0> and may not be useful with another
03:06:17 <lcafiero> Right.
03:06:41 <lcafiero> Right.
03:06:50 <StabbyMc> most of the print vendors, buttons, stickers, etc. use similar formats, pdf.
03:06:51 <lcafiero> Again, this discussion is ongoing and I wanted to bring it up.
03:07:13 <inode0> once they have a vendor in mind and need art they should (a) ask us if we have it and if we don't (b) work with design the same way we do now
03:07:15 <lcafiero> Unfortunately, I forgot to send out the notice for the meeting and draft those guys today
03:07:26 * lcafiero thought it was monday until around 5:30 p.m. PST
03:07:35 <dramsey> true on vendors and stuff, looks at Fedora winter head cover
03:07:42 <lcafiero> A fedora toque
03:08:02 <lcafiero> that would be really cool.
03:08:24 <inode0> VileGent could give us all scarves at FUDCon :)
03:08:29 <lcafiero> That's all I wanted to say about that.
03:08:42 <lcafiero> that and the moose they're supposed to bring for dgilmore to bbq.
03:08:58 <VileGent> inode0,  and the battleaxe said $150 each
03:09:06 <lcafiero> But anyway.
03:09:12 <lcafiero> Any further discussion on this?
03:09:29 <lcafiero> Otherwise I'll open the floor.
03:09:47 <lcafiero> #topic Unfiished business/open floor
03:10:25 <VileGent> the only other thing i would think about ordering are 2 more set of v banners
03:10:34 <lcafiero> +1 for each, VileGent
03:10:42 <inode0> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_collateral <--- button art is on this page for the record
03:10:44 <lcafiero> quaid and I were discussing that recently
03:11:09 <VileGent> one for west coast and possible one for CA
03:11:13 <lcafiero> Agendize it and we can bring it up for approval next meeting
03:12:09 <VileGent> and i have recieved the new order of balloons
03:13:56 <lcafiero> VileGent: how much were the v-banners?
03:14:11 <VileGent> 600 per set
03:14:21 <lcafiero> OK, thanks.
03:14:25 <lcafiero> Just checking.
03:14:42 <lcafiero> We're past an hour here, I think.
03:15:03 <VileGent> http://www.advatumdisplays.com/servlet/the-207/retractable%2Cbanner-stand%2Ccontender/Detail
03:16:56 <lcafiero> OK then.
03:17:13 <lcafiero> Let's wrap this up and head over to #fedora-ambassadors, shall we?
03:17:24 <dramsey> :)  My best to you all for success at your Events as well as Fedora 14's Release Events - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events  :)
03:17:25 <dramsey> Thank you, lcafiero for chairing.  :D
03:17:36 <lcafiero> Thanks, dramsey
03:17:39 <lcafiero> 5
03:17:44 <lcafiero> 4
03:17:45 <VileGent> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/Posters/Four%20Foundations%20Cloverleaf%20Banners%20-%20Set%20of%202/
03:18:02 <lcafiero> 3
03:18:08 <lcafiero> slow countdown
03:18:10 <lcafiero> 2
03:18:15 <lcafiero> 1
03:18:18 <lcafiero> 0.75
03:18:25 <lcafiero> 0.25
03:18:31 <lcafiero> #endmeeting