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05:03:18 <tagoh> #meetingname i18n
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05:03:24 <tagoh> #topic agenda
05:03:25 <juhp> hi
05:03:53 <tagoh> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-11-11
05:04:00 <tagoh> hi
05:04:13 <tagoh> who else here?
05:04:18 <dueno> hi
05:06:00 <pravins> hi
05:06:15 <paragn> hi
05:06:56 <tagoh> ok, let's just get started.
05:07:07 <tagoh> #topic F15
05:07:17 <fujiwarat> hi
05:07:51 <juhp> how are the ibus-1.4 rebuilds going?
05:08:02 <dychen_> hi
05:08:14 <dychen_> juhp, still working on that.
05:08:28 <fujiwarat> ok
05:08:46 <tagoh> also libnotify rebuilds? I saw some deps broken for some ibus-* packages yesterday on my rawhide box though
05:08:50 <fujiwarat> thx all for working on the rebuild.
05:09:36 <juhp> tagoh: yeah
05:10:58 * juhp looks at the rawhide report
05:11:35 <juhp> only 3 ibus builds left last night :)
05:11:59 <juhp> dychen_: yeah chewing is most important one since it is installed by default
05:12:10 <juhp> rebuilds
05:13:22 <juhp> fbterm is probably less urgent
05:13:28 <tagoh> hopefully we'll see all rebuilds and get rid of the broken deps soon
05:13:35 <juhp> yep
05:13:39 <juhp> and sunpinyin
05:13:57 <juhp> can someone poke supercyber?
05:14:45 <juhp> I guess eventually bugs will get auto-filed but better to fix them now
05:15:19 <juhp> tagoh: rawhide boots? :)
05:15:56 <tagoh> dueno: don't you get any libnotify bug for eekboard?
05:16:28 <juhp> I don't think any bugs have been filed yet?
05:16:29 <dueno> tagoh: yeah I'll fix it shortly
05:16:36 <tagoh> juhp: not really. just tried to yum update from f14.
05:16:43 <juhp> ah ok
05:17:24 <juhp> I may try another minimal install later... was getting kermel panics a couple of weeks ago
05:17:27 <tagoh> juhp: and broke the box due to the core dump during updating.. will reinstall it today
05:17:34 <juhp> haha
05:17:52 <tagoh> dueno: thanks
05:17:57 <juhp> yeah upgrading may be easier
05:18:48 <tagoh> yeah, amazingly improved - no need to download fedora-releases* packages. and yum distro-sync is also nice
05:19:40 <tagoh> but anyway
05:19:49 <juhp> aha
05:20:42 <tagoh> anything else you want to talk about f15?
05:20:56 <dychen_> juhp, where can I get the list of failed packages?
05:22:06 <tagoh> dychen_: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-November/095472.html
05:22:20 <juhp> dychen_: well just the three I mentioned: ibus-chewing, ibus-fbterm and sunpinyin
05:22:24 <dychen_> tagoh, thanks
05:22:33 <juhp> daily rawhide report :)
05:22:39 <tagoh> right
05:23:38 <juhp> for ibus anyway :)
05:24:18 <tagoh> ok, let's move on.
05:24:27 <tagoh> #topic Package Updates
05:25:04 <tagoh> anything from anyone?
05:26:30 <tagoh> new mozc package is in testing for f13 and f14.
05:27:02 <juhp> can we list all our new/pending updating somewhere?
05:27:27 <tagoh> dunno.
05:27:29 <juhp> erm updates
05:27:50 <tagoh> go look at bodhi and guess? :)
05:27:58 <juhp> well could be on the agenda page - but maybe separate page would be better?
05:28:09 <juhp> hm
05:28:11 <pravins> umm, nothing other than ibus-rawcode and sayura
05:28:25 <pravins> i have started looking to freetype this week
05:29:08 <pravins> once explore freetyep little bit i can move to call and look harfbuzz for reordering stuff
05:29:18 <pravins> harfbuzz-ng
05:29:43 <juhp> or may be it is too much overhead, hm
05:30:50 <pravins> problem with harfbuzz ng, there is no test package with it, so i am thinking to at least first create one
05:30:51 <tagoh> juhp: may be good to make a rfe for that?
05:31:05 <juhp> yeah
05:31:34 <juhp> pravins: we also have a fonts section later I think
05:31:53 <juhp> tagoh: true
05:31:54 <dychen_> juhp, or our monthly reports.:-)
05:32:02 <juhp> what should the rfe be?
05:32:25 <tagoh> juhp: https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/newticket ?
05:32:37 <juhp> list open updates by list of users?
05:32:50 <pravins> juhp: ok
05:32:55 <juhp> or pseudouser?
05:33:04 <tagoh> filtering by something for more generic?
05:33:26 <juhp> hm - yeah I am not quite sure what to ask for
05:33:48 <juhp> or just ibus* say
05:34:03 <juhp> but that is not enough for us
05:34:17 <tagoh> they might somewhat polish the idea if you tell them what you want to :)
05:34:32 <juhp> good point - ok
05:35:28 <tagoh> ok, guess better move on.
05:35:35 <tagoh> #topic Fonts
05:35:47 <tagoh> pravins: go ahead :)
05:36:25 <pravins> :)
05:37:05 <pravins> not much w.r.t font, got a good amount of bug for lohit devanagari
05:37:31 <pravins> for adding nepali support
05:37:57 <pravins> and unicode 6.0 extended devanagari characters, i will try to add those end of this month
05:38:23 <juhp> we could call it "Fonts and Rendering"
05:38:31 <tagoh> yeah :)
05:40:12 * tagoh updated the agenda
05:40:57 <pravins> yes, thats better
05:41:05 <tagoh> anything else?
05:41:43 <pravins> that's it from me
05:42:02 <tagoh> no move on bugs for fonts and rendering stuff since last week
05:42:45 <tagoh> pravins: ok, thanks
05:43:12 <tagoh> let's move on then.
05:43:18 <tagoh> #topic ibus xkb
05:44:07 <tagoh> one for related to ibus. can't remember the bug number but I thought we had a bug for a sort of undefined symbol issue on ibus?
05:44:27 <tagoh> just saw that on upgrading from f14 to rawhide. fyi
05:44:59 <juhp> oh
05:45:33 <tagoh> will try again today when reinstalling
05:45:41 <juhp> epico_laptop: reminds me yshao was saying there is some problem with ibus-pinyin over-committing
05:46:02 <juhp> like dong -> d-ong or something
05:46:24 <juhp> don't think it is in bz yet though?
05:47:17 <epico_laptop> juhp: sorry, dunno that bug.
05:47:26 <epico_laptop> any bug number? or link?
05:48:02 <tagoh> guess not yet?
05:48:06 <juhp> epico_laptop: can you ask yshao for how to reproduce?
05:48:17 <juhp> I didn't have a chance to test it yet...
05:48:21 <epico_laptop> ok. I will ask him later. :)
05:48:47 <juhp> thanks
05:49:06 <epico_laptop> welcome
05:49:06 <tagoh> anything updates on ibus stuff?
05:49:12 <juhp> epico_laptop: basically he said dong (red) was commiting to d and then ong
05:49:18 <juhp> often at least
05:49:27 <juhp> iiuc
05:49:39 <juhp> we were going to talk about xkb perhaps
05:49:53 <juhp> fujiwarat: can we tell us the current status?
05:50:37 <epico_laptop> I see
05:50:49 <juhp> sorry can you?
05:50:54 <fujiwarat> juhp: Probably I think most basic implementations are done for xkb.
05:51:18 <juhp> fujiwarat: are there any xkb changes in 1.4?
05:51:58 <fujiwarat> No, there're not. I mean it's ready in f14.
05:52:05 <juhp> ok thanks
05:52:32 * paragn like to say here that he has reviewed new package called libxkbcommon (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=651693)
05:52:43 <juhp> fujiwarat: still I feel some mismatch in requirements between xkb for desktop and chromeos say?
05:52:52 <juhp> paragn: oh
05:53:46 <jni> ping epico_laptop
05:54:12 <epico_laptop> pong
05:54:13 <juhp> fujiwarat: so how to use xkb currently in ibus? :)
05:54:43 <fujiwarat> juhp: maybe but I'm not sure.
05:54:59 <fujiwarat> xkb layout is available as one of the ibus engines.
05:55:06 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok right
05:55:24 <juhp> so is it possible to use ibus instead of applet switcher now?
05:56:20 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think ibus works without gnome-keyboard-properties.
05:56:28 <juhp> anyway I should play more with it before making more comments, sorry
05:56:44 <fujiwarat> I think switcher applet was removed. Current the GUI is to show the status only.
05:57:19 <juhp> fujiwarat: isn't that the applet?
05:57:30 <juhp> anyway ok
05:58:13 <fujiwarat> Ah, exactly it's object of GtkStatusIcon likes ibus panel.
05:58:19 <juhp> okay
05:58:40 <fujiwarat> I mean it's show the status only. If you set up the layout, gnome-keyboard-properties is available.
05:58:56 <fujiwarat> But currenlty ibus can work without gnome-keyboard-properties.
05:59:31 <juhp> so rephrasing my question - is it possible for ibus skb to replace kbd status now?
05:59:51 <juhp> yeah I understand that - I am asking from user perspective :)
06:00:13 <juhp> ie can we get rid of that kbd status?
06:01:11 <fujiwarat> I think the kbd status can be removed but I'm not sure if it should do.
06:01:18 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok
06:01:29 <juhp> probably things will change in gnome3 too
06:01:37 <juhp> thanks
06:02:09 <fujiwarat> Yeah, I will need some tests with gnome-shell.
06:02:33 <juhp> :)
06:02:43 <juhp> I haven't tried gnome-shell in final f14
06:03:04 <tagoh> ok, anything else?
06:03:33 <tagoh> we're gonna running out of the time now. so maybe good to postpone next topic to next meeting
06:04:38 <juhp> yeah - seems better use being made of needinfo this time for EOL, perhaps?
06:05:01 <tagoh> good to keep reviewing f12 bugs much more since it's gonna EOL soon.
06:05:46 <tagoh> juhp: sure. dunno if we'll see some feedbacks for them from the bug reporters though
06:06:01 <juhp> yes
06:06:27 <tagoh> we could do some test if there are any reproducible testcases
06:06:41 <juhp> right
06:06:52 <tagoh> #topic Others
06:07:16 <tagoh> anything else other than all topics on the agenda page?
06:07:25 <tagoh> otherwise let's close the meeting shortly
06:10:04 <tagoh> ok, thanks everyone for the meeting.
06:10:18 <tagoh> #endmeeting