19:00:52 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight
19:00:52 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 11 19:00:52 2010 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:55 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
19:00:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_insight'
19:01:01 <stickster> #topic Roll call
19:02:02 <stickster> rbergeron: pcalarco: smooge: asrob: hiemanshu: pingypingy :-)
19:02:08 <asrob> o/
19:02:31 * jsmith is here
19:02:41 * asrob too
19:03:43 <stickster> #chair asrob jsmith
19:03:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob jsmith stickster
19:03:55 <stickster> Give me one more minute to grab a couple links I should have had ready already :-)
19:04:51 * hiemanshu is lurking
19:05:04 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight#Meeting_agenda <-- agenda
19:05:12 <stickster> Let's start by looking at last week's action items
19:05:17 <stickster> #topic Action item review
19:05:25 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-10-28/fedora_insight.2010-10-28-18.00.html <-- last meeting's notes
19:06:21 <stickster> #info #1 -- Paul completed Footnotes module review, some problems noted (see list email)
19:06:30 <stickster> #info #2 -- Paul still owes blog post on Insight, writing it now
19:06:46 <smooge> is sort of here
19:06:47 <stickster> #info #4 -- Paul installed Feeds module but it won't activate without PHP 5.2
19:06:58 <stickster> Wonder if Sparks is around -- I think he was traveling though.
19:07:06 * Southern_Gentlem here
19:07:12 <stickster> #info #6 -- Paul talked to hiemanshu, will discuss theme status in a few minutes.
19:07:53 <stickster> So let's go through some of these topics in detail
19:08:10 <stickster> #topic Theme
19:08:39 <stickster> So hiemanshu reported this week that he can't locate the work he did on the theme in any local git branch on his system.
19:09:25 <stickster> So there's nothing to push at this point. My personal feeling is, now that we know that, let's simply start working on the current master branch and move forward. I would love to get someone from the Design team involved to help, and maybe try and get a theme together that is a better match for the main fp.o site.
19:09:28 <stickster> Thoughts?
19:11:26 <stickster> asrob: hiemanshu: ?
19:11:35 <asrob> imho let's start a sub-theme, drupal has a some great starter themes, like Zen, Fusion etc.
19:12:01 <stickster> asrob: I don't care how it's done, but it needs someone to head up the process.
19:12:19 <stickster> hiemanshu has had a lot to do recently, maybe he's interested in letting you work with someone in Design to put this together.
19:12:29 <asrob> yep
19:12:45 <pcalarco> Hi folks, sorry I'm late; a meeting ran over :)
19:12:53 <stickster> Hi Pascal! Nice to see you! :-)
19:12:58 <asrob> hi
19:13:18 <pcalarco> Hi stickster and asrob
19:14:10 <stickster> asrob: If you would like to own this topic, then I would humbly suggest that you check on the #fedora-design channel for an interested person, discuss a plan for the theme, and present it on the logistics list in a short email.
19:14:17 <stickster> Sound good?
19:14:28 <asrob> yeah
19:14:52 <stickster> (note, the above is a pretty short process, basically you guys agreeing what to do, and hopefully involving hiemanshu if he is able to help, and then *do it*) :-)
19:15:20 <stickster> #action asrob Talk to Design team about helping with the theme, then tell us on logistics list what they're going to do and how long it will take, etc.
19:15:43 <stickster> #info It would be great to have the theme match our fp.o site more closely
19:15:51 <stickster> Anything else on theme before we move on?
19:16:11 <asrob> -
19:16:39 <stickster> OK then
19:16:47 <stickster> #topic Views and book combo
19:16:52 <stickster> #chair pcalarco
19:16:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob jsmith pcalarco stickster
19:17:21 <stickster> pcalarco: Tell us how it's going here. I'm a little behind because of RHEL6 release stuff this past couple of weeks, so could use a refresher :-)
19:18:11 <pcalarco> sure thing.  So we've basically got the View working for FWN, and are back to the functional level for FWN that we had reached with Zikula, I'd say
19:18:42 <pcalarco> I think there perhaps are more elegant ways to do the FWN issue aggregation, but for now it works fine
19:19:28 <pcalarco> next step I'd say is theming polish and such
19:20:28 <stickster> pcalarco: Is there any indicator in an aggregated FWN "issue" (http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/fwn/248) that would help a themer "hide" the navigation areas? Like a div class or something?
19:21:10 <stickster> Oh, I found it -- "view-fwn"
19:21:12 <stickster> Cool!
19:21:30 <stickster> #info There's a div class that we could use to tune the appearance of an FWN aggregated issue
19:21:51 <pcalarco> stickster: do you mean the nav pointers between each beat?
19:22:05 <stickster> pcalarco: Exactly, thank you -- those come from each individual node that's included in the view
19:22:08 <pcalarco> stickster: great
19:22:16 <asrob> pcalarco: is this FWN story aggregated?
19:22:32 <stickster> asrob: I shouldn't misuse that word. No, it's a view of several nodes combined into a FWN issue
19:22:41 * stickster takes 30 lashes with the wet noodle :-)
19:22:42 <pcalarco> asrob:  yes, precisely
19:22:47 <pcalarco> :)
19:23:35 <stickster> pcalarco: er, maybe I got that wrong then? I should just keep quiet :-) I meant, it's not aggregated as in RSS or Feeds. It's a view of several related nodes, collected together (in the general sense of the word "aggregate")
19:23:40 <pcalarco> stickster: where did you find out about the dic?
19:23:48 <stickster> Dear hackers: Please stop hijacking my language :-D
19:24:09 <asrob> :)
19:24:11 <stickster> pcalarco: I did a Ctrl+U (view source) on the node above, and looked for a div class... it's in the first few lines of the body
19:24:14 <pcalarco> stcikster: sorry, miscommunicating; I meant to agree with what you were saying :)
19:24:29 <stickster> About 20 lines down
19:24:30 <smooge> my apologies for not being 100% here
19:24:34 <stickster> pcalarco: No worries!
19:24:38 <stickster> smooge: No worries either! :-)
19:24:47 <smooge> stickster, you said you are needing php52
19:24:55 <pcalarco> smooge: Hi smooge!
19:25:04 <stickster> smooge: Well, we'll get to that in just a sec, let me #topic so we can catch you
19:25:08 <smooge> ok sorry
19:25:39 <stickster> smooge: No problem! we probably have an oddly shaped agenda that I need to think about and correct, since this happens often -- i.e., "it's not you, it's me" :-)
19:26:12 <smooge> oh wow that reminds me of so many old dates
19:26:20 <stickster> pcalarco: One thing we might want to look at is the numerous entry paths to FWN I can see in the test instance. We have something at the top of the page, and something in the side navigation area
19:26:27 <stickster> smooge: Let's just be friends
19:26:58 <pcalarco> stickster: yes, some cleanup is warranted there too
19:27:18 <smooge> that was another one. Both are lies. It was me and we can't be friends :)
19:27:27 <stickster> pcalarco: Some of it is likely my fault from playing around where I oughtn't. :-) I'm trying to get some spare time to read Drupal books so I can be more helpful with these Views
19:28:07 <pcalarco> stickster: that's how I learn too!
19:29:22 <stickster> pcalarco: I have two comments to make on this, really. (1) It's well worth the time piddling around and seeing how various things work. Finding how to make new entry points and menu stuff is helpful. (2) If we can get a designer involved with asrob they may be able to help us figure out how to make a better looking front page that exposes FWN in a specific way, then we can configure the system to match it.
19:30:24 <pcalarco> stickster: agreed on both points
19:30:53 <asrob> okay
19:31:21 <stickster> OK pcalarco, how about I #action you to look at what's going on there, and see if you can figure out something useful for next meeting -- how we can make the newest collected issue View appear as a direct link somewhere?
19:32:08 <pcalarco> stickster: that sounds like a good next goal, thx; I can commit to working on that
19:32:14 <stickster> #action pcalarco Figure out how we can make a link for FWN that will take the reader straight to the latest issue
19:32:15 <stickster> Awesome!
19:32:37 <stickster> Anything else on views then? If not, we'll talk about Feeds 'n' PHP for smooge and asrob
19:32:54 <asrob> -
19:33:41 <smooge> ok
19:33:44 <stickster> #topic Feeds, PHP requirements
19:33:57 <pcalarco> +1
19:34:16 <stickster> #info asrob was looking at Feeds, which has expanded functions for dealing with RSS and other stuff. However, it requires PHP 5.2 which EL-5 ain't got.
19:34:58 * hiemanshu is around now
19:35:00 <smooge> no 5.6 will have php53 but I do not how to get them to interact with php5.1 on the same box
19:35:27 <smooge> 6.0 has php-5.3 but that will require a bit of playing with to deal with also.
19:35:30 <stickster> smooge: So what you're saying is php53 is parallel installable?
19:35:38 <stickster> Under EL 5.6 that is
19:35:44 <smooge> stickster, supposedly
19:35:55 <stickster> Ah, OK
19:36:02 <smooge> I do not know how much configuration is needed ot make it work
19:36:16 <stickster> .whoowns php
19:36:18 <smooge> and what affect it has on application servers to have two different engines running at the same time
19:36:19 <zodbot> stickster: jorton
19:36:22 <hiemanshu> parallel installing php isnt really a good idea
19:36:37 <stickster> hiemanshu: Can you quantify that for us?
19:37:06 <hiemanshu> stickster: you will need to make a lot of edits to the drupal conf, plus there is a change of mixing of modules
19:37:17 <hiemanshu> s/drupal/httpd/
19:37:28 <hiemanshu> it can be made to work, but not generally a good idea
19:37:41 <smooge> that is what I figured. I think we will need to look at having a 'dedicated' set of php53 boxes whether they are RHEL-5 or RHEL-6
19:37:50 <smooge> thanks for the info hiemanshu
19:38:15 <makfinsky> Virtual machines?
19:38:33 <stickster> smooge: I guess it makes sense to look at whether an EL-6 box would be easier than mixing PHP on a 5.x box.
19:38:44 <hiemanshu> stickster: +1
19:38:56 <stickster> makfinsky: I think we're running on VM guests already, but yeah :-)
19:39:16 <smooge> correct we do things in vm's for most of our infrastructure
19:39:19 <hiemanshu> maybe a couple of EL-6 boxes would work
19:39:42 <stickster> #info Drupal is smart enough to know when we've got the requirements installed, and won't let us turn on a module requiring them if they're not there.
19:40:11 <makfinsky> I think that'd be easier than parallel install on php on a single system. RHEL6 VM's that is.
19:40:31 <stickster> hiemanshu: They certainly would, but that takes some cycles from either Smooge or someone on the Infra team to be comfortable putting RHEL6 systems into their production mix.
19:40:34 <stickster> (or publictest mix even)
19:40:46 <smooge> publictest is easy
19:40:57 <smooge> well by next week it will be easy
19:41:18 <smooge> skvidal is downloading el6 for us to do this
19:41:34 <skvidal> with some help from some rhn folks
19:41:36 <hiemanshu> if we have a single EL-6 box ready in publictest, I can move it over
19:41:37 <skvidal> I got our syncing working again
19:41:41 <stickster> Well, we've got that going for us then :-)  Smooge, do you think you'd be able to put something up for next Thursday's meeting to which we could move our DB?
19:42:14 <stickster> Or is that too aggressive?
19:43:03 <smooge> hiemanshu, we have some I would like to do a fresh build for this
19:43:29 <smooge> I would like to keep pt's one per project because they tend to fester :)
19:43:35 <smooge> skvidal, thanks
19:43:53 <skvidal> smooge: I'm also working to simplify some of it
19:43:57 <smooge> stickster, I think we can get a pt box by next Monday/Tuesday at latest
19:44:23 <smooge> stickster, I will then work on getting the minimal puppet for it with you so that it has all the stuff you want installed on it.
19:44:23 <hiemanshu> smooge: that sounds great
19:44:36 <smooge> Then we can work well from there and figure out how to do EL6 app servers
19:44:41 <smooge> and EL5 app servers
19:45:02 <stickster> Yup, sounds good
19:45:29 <stickster> #action smooge Get publictest box on RHEL6 up by next meeting so we can start working with it (newer PHP, etc.)(
19:46:00 * hiemanshu will test EL-6 to get a hang of it
19:46:24 <stickster> Cool
19:48:03 <stickster> OK, that brings us to...
19:48:06 <stickster> #topic Packaging
19:48:17 <stickster> Sparks isn't around, but I did finally finish reviewing the Footnotes module
19:48:55 <stickster> #info One problem found in Footnotes -- bundled TinyMCE. However, it looks like the WYSIWYG portion of the module, which is completely optional, can simply be %exclude'd
19:49:16 <stickster> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642858 <-- review
19:49:50 <asrob> bundled tinymcre? :O
19:50:52 <stickster> I know that Sparks was reviewing another module, I think it was Flexifilter.
19:51:27 <stickster> If we want Feeds, that needs to be packaged and reviewed too. asrob: You might want to try taking that on -- the packaging bit
19:51:37 * stickster can review it, and promises to be faster about it this time
19:51:52 * hiemanshu can help review if needed
19:52:05 <asrob> okay, I will try but I am absolutely beginner in packaging :)
19:52:14 <stickster> Also, we need to get in touch with Jon Ciesla and find out what he thinks of our idea of setting a virtual provides in Fedora's "drupal" core package, so it provides "drupal6 = 6.<X>" and we can use that for all modules in both Fedora and EPEL
19:52:23 <hiemanshu> asrob: I can help if you need packaging help
19:52:31 <asrob> hiemanshu: ok, thanks
19:52:47 <stickster> #action stickster Contact limb (Jon C) and get his feedback on a 'drupal6 = 6.X' virtual Provides in the Fedora drupal package
19:52:59 <stickster> #action asrob hiemanshu Work together on packaging Feeds
19:53:09 <stickster> That's all I've got for this session
19:53:18 <stickster> #topic All other business (open floor!)
19:53:33 <hiemanshu> stickster: so back to the theme, should we get new mockups made?
19:53:54 <hiemanshu> so we know where we want to get to
19:54:00 <stickster> hiemanshu: I was suggesting that, since we haven't gone far, and there's no extra work coming in right now, it's a great time to consider doing that.
19:54:30 <hiemanshu> I will ping mizmo and #fedora-design for that
19:54:39 <stickster> asrob said he would talk to Design about it, but it would be great if you wanted to collaborate with them too
19:55:08 <stickster> hiemanshu: asrob: Of paramount importance: Let's not lock up the work in one place. Make a separate branch for it, and commit + push *often*
19:55:26 <asrob> stickster: okay
19:55:30 <stickster> That's absolutely essential in a collaborative environment
19:55:37 <hiemanshu> stickster: sure, I wont repeat mistakes
19:55:40 * hiemanshu is still learning
19:55:44 <stickster> hiemanshu: We've all been there :-)
19:56:59 <stickster> Nothing else?
19:57:03 <stickster> If so, we'll close in 60
19:57:05 <asrob> stickster: is fpo mockup available anywhere?
19:57:09 <pcalarco> nothing here
19:57:27 <stickster> asrob: Yes, I'm certain it's available in a few places -- go to #fedora-design and ask mizmo, and I'm sure she can point you in the right direction
19:57:35 <stickster> Tell her I sent you :-)
19:57:44 <asrob> stickster: okay, thanks
19:58:28 * hiemanshu has nothing
19:58:35 <stickster> Well thanks for coming everyone!
19:58:37 <stickster> #endmeeting