14:01:41 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-11-02 14:01:41 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 2 14:01:41 2010 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:41 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:45 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig 14:01:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 14:01:51 <rdieter> #topic roll call 14:01:57 <rdieter> who's present today? 14:02:26 <Kevin_Kofler> Present. 14:02:38 <rdieter> meeting subtitle: meeting of zombies, half of us are sick today. :( 14:03:25 * ltinkl present 14:03:40 <rdieter> than, than_home, jreznik : ping 14:03:53 * than_home is present 14:03:55 * jreznik present, dead evil zombie 14:03:57 <linuxfreaker> Hello Guys 14:04:06 <linuxfreaker> Where can I download F14 Ga? 14:04:34 <rdieter> linuxfreaker: http://fedoraproject.org/ will have links, when it's available, I'm sure. :) 14:04:49 <Kevin_Kofler> And please use #fedora for such questions, not #fedora-meeting. 14:04:50 <jreznik> linuxfreaker: -> #fedora-social :) 14:05:16 <rdieter> ok, a few quick items 14:05:20 <rdieter> #topic qt-4.7.1 status 14:05:42 <rdieter> the official word is "Qt 4.7.1 & Qt Mobility 1.1 delayed again due to security issue found. Release within one week." 14:05:48 <rdieter> so, :( 14:05:52 <linuxfreaker> jreznik: #fedora-social says go to #fedora 14:06:04 <linuxfreaker> whats happening? 14:06:14 <Kevin_Kofler> That #fedora is the correct place. 14:06:15 <rdieter> stay on topic to the meeting going on please. 14:06:24 <linuxfreaker> okie 14:06:31 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.5.3 status 14:06:49 <jreznik> rdieter: ok, let's wait for 7.1 14:06:51 <rdieter> I see than_home has been slowly importing kde-4.5.3 over the past few days 14:06:53 <jreznik> 4.7.1 14:07:08 <rdieter> than_home: progress/status? 14:07:15 <rdieter> need any help? 14:07:19 <than_home> is 4.7.1 already released? 14:07:25 <rdieter> than_home: no 14:07:32 <Kevin_Kofler> <rdieter> the official word is "Qt 4.7.1 & Qt Mobility 1.1 delayed again due to security issue found. Release within one week." 14:07:39 <than_home> ah ok 14:08:12 <than_home> 4.5.3 is already commited 14:08:20 <than_home> kdelibs is even built 14:09:06 <than_home> i hope to finish 4.5.3 build in rawhide by the end of this week 14:09:22 * rdieter yays 14:09:28 <jreznik> than_home: if you need any help... 14:09:56 <than_home> i will ping you when i need help :) 14:10:18 <rdieter> ok, let's move on... 14:10:22 <rdieter> #topic kppp issue and consolehelper to kdesu switch 14:10:39 <Kevin_Kofler> So, since consolehelper doesn't work and kdesu does, to me it's obvious. 14:10:41 <rdieter> there's some open bug on this? kppp hangs on initial launch or something like that? 14:10:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Right. 14:10:58 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452083 14:11:11 <rdieter> ok, ouch, an old one 14:11:12 <Kevin_Kofler> It turns out that this is the usual issue of KDE apps being started with non-KDE su tools not working. 14:11:22 <Kevin_Kofler> It's also broken with sudo. 14:11:23 <rdieter> and kdesu works? 14:11:30 <Kevin_Kofler> (as noticed by Kubuntu) 14:11:51 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik says kdesu worked for him. Might need more testing, but we should try it. 14:11:56 <rdieter> than_home: so, seems you had objections to changing this? 14:12:24 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: it worked for me - just a quick test 14:12:46 <than_home> rdieter: no objections 14:13:02 <rdieter> oh, good. :) 14:13:06 <Kevin_Kofler> The idea behind using consolehelper was to allow running just "kppp" from a terminal. 14:13:10 * thomasj late here 14:13:17 <Kevin_Kofler> But since consolehelper isn't working properly, there's little choice, it seems. 14:13:25 <rdieter> let's test kdesu a bit more, and go with that, if all goes well. 14:13:35 <thomasj> Stupid DST changes.. 14:13:35 <Kevin_Kofler> (Not really consolehelper's fault, FWIW, but probably kdelibs's, but…) 14:13:44 <rdieter> thomasj: hi! 14:13:51 <thomasj> hi rdieter! 14:13:58 <Kevin_Kofler> kdesu looks better in KDE anyway. 14:14:22 <rdieter> #info test using kdesu instead of consolehelper (with kppp) 14:14:47 <rdieter> anything else using consolehelper or kdesu these days? 14:15:02 <thomasj> luckybackup uses kdesu and beesu 14:15:02 <Kevin_Kofler> Nothing in KDE is using consolehelper according to my repoquery. 14:15:15 <Kevin_Kofler> qtparted is using it, but that one's Qt-only. 14:15:23 <Kevin_Kofler> (and apparently gets away with it) 14:15:27 <rdieter> I guess I care mostly only about core KDE packaging here. 14:15:41 <than_home> kdesu doesn work if someone tries to start it by command line 14:15:47 <Kevin_Kofler> (Nothing except kppp/kdeutils, I mean.) 14:16:00 <rdieter> anyway, thought it may be useful to open a tracker bug for everything using the legacy consolehelper/kdesu stuff 14:16:14 <Kevin_Kofler> than_home: That was why you originally asked to use consolehelper. But consolehelper isn't working, so… 14:16:59 <jreznik> and if only kppp is using it 14:17:02 <rdieter> or... revert to using setuid/setgid 14:17:10 <Kevin_Kofler> kdesu is used to allow firing up Krusader as root for file-management as root. 14:17:22 * jreznik is going to open upstream rfe to port to kauth 14:17:52 <rdieter> jreznik: good 14:17:59 <Kevin_Kofler> For KPPP? Yes, it should be using KAuth. 14:18:08 <ltinkl> kdesu -c kppp starts kppp as toor for me 14:18:12 <ltinkl> root * 14:18:23 <Kevin_Kofler> The way it's set up, using SUID and allowing anyone to use PPP without authentication, is frowned upon AFAICT. 14:19:03 <Kevin_Kofler> FWIW, using kdesu also has its drawbacks, in particular kppp cannot drop privileges and the whole GUI runs as root instead of only the backend. 14:19:07 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: could theoretically be locked down via group permissions, so only members of a certain group could run it 14:19:34 <jreznik> group dialout 14:19:41 <Kevin_Kofler> What it should do is to elevate only the backend with SUID and have it locked down using KAuth/PolicyKit. 14:20:17 <rdieter> I guess we're stuck with only quick-n-dirty solutions for now. kdesu is likely the only/best option at this point (for < rawhide anyway) 14:20:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Right. 14:20:27 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep but it's long future now 14:20:37 <rdieter> ok, move on? 14:21:02 <rdieter> #topic kdm patch backport 14:21:13 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: ? 14:22:01 <Kevin_Kofler> So to be more precise, what I'm asking about is: KDisplayManager GDM session switch support backport to F12 14:22:15 <rdieter> oh 14:22:23 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd like to address https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560511 for F12. 14:22:40 <Kevin_Kofler> So I want to do a new kdebase-workspace-4.4.5 build with the latest ck-shutdown patch. 14:22:46 <rdieter> .bug 560511 14:22:48 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 560511 Unable to switch user from KDE under GDM - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560511 14:23:04 <Kevin_Kofler> The 4.5.x builds already have the stuff (though I'm not sure whether they made it to updates yet). 14:23:12 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: only kde-testing so far 14:23:32 <rdieter> it's only seen light testing (me), but I've no objections. 14:23:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Any objections to doing a 4.4.5-based update to address this on F12? 14:24:14 <thomasj> not here 14:24:26 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: if you're willing to do the work on backporting it, I'm' ok with including it. 14:24:29 <ltinkl> clearly a bugfix, if it gets some testing, why not 14:24:54 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, I'll do the work. 14:24:55 <jreznik> it's ok for me 14:25:51 <rdieter> cool, moving on... 14:26:14 <rdieter> I guess that's about it for the agenda, so... 14:26:15 <rdieter> #topic fedora 14 release today, party! 14:26:26 * rdieter dons party hat 14:26:30 <Kevin_Kofler> Looks like Fedora 14 KDE is already up at: http://kde.fedoraproject.org/ 14:26:31 <rdieter> woo 14:26:45 <ltinkl> yup 14:26:51 * ltinkl downloading already 14:26:59 <jreznik> great :) 14:27:14 <than_home> cool 14:27:21 <ltinkl> btw, I had to click like 10 times until I found the x86_64 DVD which I need to update my existing f13 14:27:23 <jreznik> thanks all for a awesome work! 14:27:34 <jreznik> ltinkl: it's called usability :D 14:28:04 <ltinkl> there's no visible warning that the live images can't be used for upgrading 14:28:28 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: Uh, just rpm -Uvh http://…/fedora-release-14-….rpm ; yum --downloadonly upgrade ; init 3 and then yum -C upgrade. 14:28:29 <ltinkl> also no links for torrents, etc-- 14:28:51 <nucleo> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-November/002875.html 14:29:41 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: I've been complaining about our download pages since basically forever. 14:30:11 <rdieter> ok, *someone* is making my fun party... sad and less fun now. :( 14:30:15 <ltinkl> nucleo: thx, but the release announcemnt links to "upgrade" documentation which doesn't mention upgrading from previous releases at all 14:30:15 * jreznik is going to do a quick blogpost for f14 14:30:40 <ltinkl> nucleo: only from prerelease or rawhide 14:30:44 <jreznik> rdieter: we already had a fedora 14/rhel 6 release party :) 14:30:52 <rdieter> ha. 14:31:18 <jreznik> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/ is not updates as I asked in tickets... 14:31:24 * jreznik is going to ping them... 14:31:40 <jreznik> same for http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora 14:31:46 <rdieter> ok, those sound like some grounds for some constructive help, though elsewhere more appropriate would likely yield positive change. 14:31:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Uh, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading does document 2 ways which work to upgrade from Fm to Fn with m < n. 14:32:10 <Kevin_Kofler> PreUpgrade and direct yum upgrade. 14:32:33 <Kevin_Kofler> I think the DVD is intentionally not mentioned because of the all too well known problems (due to the DVD not including updates). 14:33:35 <jreznik> rdieter: I'll ask for website rights to manage kde related pages 14:33:36 <rdieter> #topic open discussion 14:33:40 <rdieter> jreznik: good 14:34:12 <rdieter> jreznik: I pinged the tickets... a week or 2 ago, but yeah, seems if we want timely updating, best to pitch in and help 14:35:13 <Kevin_Kofler> I wonder whether, if we sent a specific announcement for the F14 KDE release with a link to http://kde.fedoraproject.org/ to the Fedora announce list, it would be moderated through… 14:35:53 <jsmith> Kevin_Kofler: I'd allow it through 14:36:14 <jsmith> Kevin_Kofler: In fact, I probably should have done a little more in the release announcement to hightlight some of the more popular spins 14:36:38 <thomasj> jsmith, cool, thanks 14:36:41 <Kevin_Kofler> So, anybody feeling like writing a nice blurb? :-) 14:37:49 <rdieter> #help need assistance writing a F14 KDE release announcement 14:37:53 <jreznik> jsmith: thanks! great 14:38:24 <rdieter> I may find time later tonight, if I'm not completely zombie-fied by then 14:39:06 <jreznik> I'll try to blog, maybe I could re-use it but another zombie here 14:40:09 <rdieter> hee he 14:41:49 <jreznik> anything else? 14:44:21 <rdieter> seems not. I'll close in 60... 14:44:48 <rdieter> 30... 14:45:19 <rdieter> thanks everyone. 14:45:20 <jreznik> boom 14:45:23 <rdieter> #endmeeting