14:01:41 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-11-02
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14:01:45 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
14:01:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
14:01:51 <rdieter> #topic roll call
14:01:57 <rdieter> who's present today?
14:02:26 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
14:02:38 <rdieter> meeting subtitle: meeting of zombies, half of us are sick today. :(
14:03:25 * ltinkl present
14:03:40 <rdieter> than, than_home, jreznik : ping
14:03:53 * than_home is present
14:03:55 * jreznik present, dead evil zombie
14:03:57 <linuxfreaker> Hello Guys
14:04:06 <linuxfreaker> Where can I download F14 Ga?
14:04:34 <rdieter> linuxfreaker: http://fedoraproject.org/ will have links, when it's available, I'm sure. :)
14:04:49 <Kevin_Kofler> And please use #fedora for such questions, not #fedora-meeting.
14:04:50 <jreznik> linuxfreaker: -> #fedora-social :)
14:05:16 <rdieter> ok, a few quick items
14:05:20 <rdieter> #topic qt-4.7.1 status
14:05:42 <rdieter> the official word is "Qt 4.7.1 & Qt Mobility 1.1 delayed again due to security issue found. Release within one week."
14:05:48 <rdieter> so, :(
14:05:52 <linuxfreaker> jreznik: #fedora-social says go to #fedora
14:06:04 <linuxfreaker> whats happening?
14:06:14 <Kevin_Kofler> That #fedora is the correct place.
14:06:15 <rdieter> stay on topic to the meeting going on please.
14:06:24 <linuxfreaker> okie
14:06:31 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.5.3 status
14:06:49 <jreznik> rdieter: ok, let's wait for 7.1
14:06:51 <rdieter> I see than_home has been slowly importing kde-4.5.3 over the past few days
14:06:53 <jreznik> 4.7.1
14:07:08 <rdieter> than_home: progress/status?
14:07:15 <rdieter> need any help?
14:07:19 <than_home> is 4.7.1 already released?
14:07:25 <rdieter> than_home: no
14:07:32 <Kevin_Kofler> <rdieter> the official word is "Qt 4.7.1 & Qt Mobility 1.1 delayed again due to security issue found. Release within one week."
14:07:39 <than_home> ah ok
14:08:12 <than_home> 4.5.3 is already commited
14:08:20 <than_home> kdelibs is even built
14:09:06 <than_home> i hope to finish 4.5.3 build in rawhide by the end of this week
14:09:22 * rdieter yays
14:09:28 <jreznik> than_home: if you need any help...
14:09:56 <than_home> i will ping you when i need help :)
14:10:18 <rdieter> ok, let's move on...
14:10:22 <rdieter> #topic kppp issue and consolehelper to kdesu switch
14:10:39 <Kevin_Kofler> So, since consolehelper doesn't work and kdesu does, to me it's obvious.
14:10:41 <rdieter> there's some open bug on this?  kppp hangs on initial launch or something like that?
14:10:55 <Kevin_Kofler> Right.
14:10:58 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452083
14:11:11 <rdieter> ok, ouch, an old one
14:11:12 <Kevin_Kofler> It turns out that this is the usual issue of KDE apps being started with non-KDE su tools not working.
14:11:22 <Kevin_Kofler> It's also broken with sudo.
14:11:23 <rdieter> and kdesu works?
14:11:30 <Kevin_Kofler> (as noticed by Kubuntu)
14:11:51 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik says kdesu worked for him. Might need more testing, but we should try it.
14:11:56 <rdieter> than_home: so, seems you had objections to changing this?
14:12:24 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: it worked for me - just a quick test
14:12:46 <than_home> rdieter: no objections
14:13:02 <rdieter> oh, good. :)
14:13:06 <Kevin_Kofler> The idea behind using consolehelper was to allow running just "kppp" from a terminal.
14:13:10 * thomasj late here
14:13:17 <Kevin_Kofler> But since consolehelper isn't working properly, there's little choice, it seems.
14:13:25 <rdieter> let's test kdesu a bit more, and go with that, if all goes well.
14:13:35 <thomasj> Stupid DST changes..
14:13:35 <Kevin_Kofler> (Not really consolehelper's fault, FWIW, but probably kdelibs's, but…)
14:13:44 <rdieter> thomasj: hi!
14:13:51 <thomasj> hi rdieter!
14:13:58 <Kevin_Kofler> kdesu looks better in KDE anyway.
14:14:22 <rdieter> #info test using kdesu instead of consolehelper (with kppp)
14:14:47 <rdieter> anything else using consolehelper or kdesu these days?
14:15:02 <thomasj> luckybackup uses kdesu and beesu
14:15:02 <Kevin_Kofler> Nothing in KDE is using consolehelper according to my repoquery.
14:15:15 <Kevin_Kofler> qtparted is using it, but that one's Qt-only.
14:15:23 <Kevin_Kofler> (and apparently gets away with it)
14:15:27 <rdieter> I guess I care mostly only about core KDE packaging here.
14:15:41 <than_home> kdesu doesn work if someone tries to start it by command line
14:15:47 <Kevin_Kofler> (Nothing except kppp/kdeutils, I mean.)
14:16:00 <rdieter> anyway, thought it may be useful to open a tracker bug for everything using the legacy consolehelper/kdesu stuff
14:16:14 <Kevin_Kofler> than_home: That was why you originally asked to use consolehelper. But consolehelper isn't working, so…
14:16:59 <jreznik> and if only kppp is using it
14:17:02 <rdieter> or... revert to using setuid/setgid
14:17:10 <Kevin_Kofler> kdesu is used to allow firing up Krusader as root for file-management as root.
14:17:22 * jreznik is going to open upstream rfe to port to kauth
14:17:52 <rdieter> jreznik: good
14:17:59 <Kevin_Kofler> For KPPP? Yes, it should be using KAuth.
14:18:08 <ltinkl> kdesu -c kppp starts kppp as toor for me
14:18:12 <ltinkl> root *
14:18:23 <Kevin_Kofler> The way it's set up, using SUID and allowing anyone to use PPP without authentication, is frowned upon AFAICT.
14:19:03 <Kevin_Kofler> FWIW, using kdesu also has its drawbacks, in particular kppp cannot drop privileges and the whole GUI runs as root instead of only the backend.
14:19:07 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: could theoretically be locked down via group permissions, so only members of a certain group could run it
14:19:34 <jreznik> group dialout
14:19:41 <Kevin_Kofler> What it should do is to elevate only the backend with SUID and have it locked down using KAuth/PolicyKit.
14:20:17 <rdieter> I guess we're stuck with only quick-n-dirty solutions for now.  kdesu is likely the only/best option at this point (for < rawhide anyway)
14:20:27 <Kevin_Kofler> Right.
14:20:27 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yep but it's long future now
14:20:37 <rdieter> ok, move on?
14:21:02 <rdieter> #topic kdm patch backport
14:21:13 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: ?
14:22:01 <Kevin_Kofler> So to be more precise, what I'm asking about is: KDisplayManager GDM session switch support backport to F12
14:22:15 <rdieter> oh
14:22:23 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd like to address https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560511 for F12.
14:22:40 <Kevin_Kofler> So I want to do a new kdebase-workspace-4.4.5 build with the latest ck-shutdown patch.
14:22:46 <rdieter> .bug 560511
14:22:48 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 560511 Unable to switch user from KDE under GDM - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560511
14:23:04 <Kevin_Kofler> The 4.5.x builds already have the stuff (though I'm not sure whether they made it to updates yet).
14:23:12 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: only kde-testing so far
14:23:32 <rdieter> it's only seen light testing (me), but I've no objections.
14:23:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Any objections to doing a 4.4.5-based update to address this on F12?
14:24:14 <thomasj> not here
14:24:26 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: if you're willing to do the work on backporting it, I'm' ok with including it.
14:24:29 <ltinkl> clearly a bugfix, if it gets some testing, why not
14:24:54 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, I'll do the work.
14:24:55 <jreznik> it's ok for me
14:25:51 <rdieter> cool, moving on...
14:26:14 <rdieter> I guess that's about it for the agenda, so...
14:26:15 <rdieter> #topic fedora 14 release today, party!
14:26:26 * rdieter dons party hat
14:26:30 <Kevin_Kofler> Looks like Fedora 14 KDE is already up at: http://kde.fedoraproject.org/
14:26:31 <rdieter> woo
14:26:45 <ltinkl> yup
14:26:51 * ltinkl downloading already
14:26:59 <jreznik> great :)
14:27:14 <than_home> cool
14:27:21 <ltinkl> btw, I had to click like 10 times until I found the x86_64 DVD which I need to update my existing f13
14:27:23 <jreznik> thanks all for a awesome work!
14:27:34 <jreznik> ltinkl: it's called usability :D
14:28:04 <ltinkl> there's no visible warning that the live images can't be used for upgrading
14:28:28 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: Uh, just rpm -Uvh http://…/fedora-release-14-….rpm ; yum --downloadonly upgrade ; init 3 and then yum -C upgrade.
14:28:29 <ltinkl> also no links for torrents, etc--
14:28:51 <nucleo> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-November/002875.html
14:29:41 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: I've been complaining about our download pages since basically forever.
14:30:11 <rdieter> ok, *someone* is making my fun party... sad and less fun now. :(
14:30:15 <ltinkl> nucleo: thx, but the release announcemnt links to "upgrade" documentation which doesn't mention upgrading from previous releases at all
14:30:15 * jreznik is going to do a quick blogpost for f14
14:30:40 <ltinkl> nucleo: only from prerelease or rawhide
14:30:44 <jreznik> rdieter: we already had a fedora 14/rhel 6 release party :)
14:30:52 <rdieter> ha.
14:31:18 <jreznik> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/ is not updates as I asked in tickets...
14:31:24 * jreznik is going to ping them...
14:31:40 <jreznik> same for http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
14:31:46 <rdieter> ok, those sound like some grounds for some constructive help, though elsewhere more appropriate would likely yield positive change.
14:31:57 <Kevin_Kofler> Uh, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading does document 2 ways which work to upgrade from Fm to Fn with m < n.
14:32:10 <Kevin_Kofler> PreUpgrade and direct yum upgrade.
14:32:33 <Kevin_Kofler> I think the DVD is intentionally not mentioned because of the all too well known problems (due to the DVD not including updates).
14:33:35 <jreznik> rdieter: I'll ask for website rights to manage kde related pages
14:33:36 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
14:33:40 <rdieter> jreznik: good
14:34:12 <rdieter> jreznik: I pinged the tickets... a week or 2 ago, but yeah, seems if we want timely updating, best to pitch in and help
14:35:13 <Kevin_Kofler> I wonder whether, if we sent a specific announcement for the F14 KDE release with a link to http://kde.fedoraproject.org/ to the Fedora announce list, it would be moderated through…
14:35:53 <jsmith> Kevin_Kofler: I'd allow it through
14:36:14 <jsmith> Kevin_Kofler: In fact, I probably should have done a little more in the release announcement to hightlight some of the more popular spins
14:36:38 <thomasj> jsmith, cool, thanks
14:36:41 <Kevin_Kofler> So, anybody feeling like writing a nice blurb? :-)
14:37:49 <rdieter> #help need assistance writing a F14 KDE release announcement
14:37:53 <jreznik> jsmith: thanks! great
14:38:24 <rdieter> I may find time later tonight, if I'm not completely zombie-fied by then
14:39:06 <jreznik> I'll try to blog, maybe I could re-use it but another zombie here
14:40:09 <rdieter> hee he
14:41:49 <jreznik> anything else?
14:44:21 <rdieter> seems not.  I'll close in 60...
14:44:48 <rdieter> 30...
14:45:19 <rdieter> thanks everyone.
14:45:20 <jreznik> boom
14:45:23 <rdieter> #endmeeting