18:00:31 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Insight (Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Meeting_agenda)
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18:00:35 <stickster> #meetingname Fedora Insight
18:00:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_insight'
18:00:39 <stickster> #topic Roll call
18:00:44 * stickster :-)
18:00:52 * rbergeron 
18:01:10 * Sparks_too .
18:01:22 * asrob too
18:01:37 <stickster> I don't believe pcalarco will make it today, q.v. his message to the list
18:01:51 <stickster> #chair rbergeron Sparks_too Sparks asrob
18:01:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: Sparks Sparks_too asrob rbergeron stickster
18:02:21 <stickster> #info Test site remains at: http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/
18:02:26 <stickster> Is hiemanshu here?
18:02:33 <rbergeron> I haven't seen him around
18:04:09 <stickster> OK, let's get started then :-)
18:04:17 <stickster> #topic Action item review
18:04:48 <stickster> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-10-21/fedora-meeting.2010-10-21-18.06.html <-- last week's notes
18:04:55 <stickster> I see three action items but only one of them is assigned.
18:05:26 <stickster> asrob: Could you tell us a bit about what you worked on last week?
18:06:27 <asrob> stickster: yes, but I did not work on last week, Paul did not say anything
18:06:48 <asrob> just I added myself to cmsadmin group that he suggested to me
18:06:57 <stickster> asrob: You mean me? (stickster = Paul Frields)
18:07:24 <asrob> I know
18:08:00 <stickster> asrob: OK, so just so I understand -- you're waiting for cmsadmin membership then?
18:08:07 <asrob> stickster: yes
18:08:19 <stickster> OK, my goof for not seeing that in my email then
18:08:27 <stickster> asrob: I've just sponsored you
18:08:32 <asrob> thx
18:08:39 <stickster> Sorry for that -- please feel free to email the list or ping people if you don't get a response
18:08:52 <stickster> Sometimes we miss the automatic notifications, and it's never bad to be persistent
18:08:52 <asrob> ok
18:08:59 <asrob> ;)
18:09:48 <stickster> OK, I'm not sure how the other review came out, so let me re-tag myself with some work
18:10:13 <Sparks_too> stickster: What packages still need to be reviewed?
18:10:23 <stickster> Sparks_too: Working on it, hang on
18:10:33 <stickster> #action stickster review Footnotes module (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642858)
18:10:40 <stickster> I'm working on that one now, about 1/3 done
18:10:54 <stickster> I sent a note to the list to ask about a packaging detail
18:11:11 <stickster> #info Advanced Help module still needs a review once someone packages it
18:11:56 <Sparks_too> #info flexifilter review complete
18:12:02 <asrob> stickster: if I would like to help with theming then do I add myself to theme group as well?
18:12:19 <stickster> Sparks_too: Doesn't that package have the same potential issue with Requires that I posted to the list?
18:12:31 <stickster> In other words, the package is going to fail to install on EPEL
18:12:41 <Sparks_too> stickster: Hmmmm....
18:13:08 <Sparks_too> stickster: I was so confused by all the conversations that were had...  I think he'll need a new flexifilter package for EPEL
18:13:29 <stickster> We need to get deconfusified on this stuff before reviews are complete, though
18:13:43 <stickster> Otherwise we risk making users' lives harder
18:14:01 <Sparks_too> stickster: I agree and I thought that was what was decided
18:14:16 <stickster> Sparks_too: That we'd have separate spec files for EPEL?
18:14:25 <Sparks_too> That a second package would be made specifically for EPEL 5/6 and F15
18:14:27 <stickster> Maybe I'm the one who's totally confused :-\
18:14:36 <stickster> So a completely different specfile?
18:14:53 <Sparks_too> Unfortunately
18:15:06 <Sparks_too> I wish we could have just gotten Drupal fixed in F14/13
18:15:08 <stickster> I guess I don't understand the need for one since we have conditionals to help
18:15:21 <stickster> You can have the package set things differently using an %if statement
18:16:04 <Sparks_too> Okay.  Are the other packages by the same packager?
18:16:09 <stickster> Well, let's go over that in a few minutes
18:16:11 <smooge> sort of here sorry
18:16:13 <stickster> And get through review first
18:16:32 <stickster> #action stickster Do a big-picture blog post of where we are and what we need people to help us with, esp. getting some more Drupal intermediate-to-expert folks or at least people who are willing to learn *and have time to do so*
18:16:46 * stickster needs to get his time machine set up so he can write something this week
18:17:14 <stickster> #action pcalarco define new node for top-level FWN issues page
18:17:22 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster,  if you do i will come down and borrow it so i can help more as well
18:17:32 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: you're on :-)
18:18:04 <stickster> #action stickster install Feeds module so we can try it out
18:18:13 <stickster> #undo
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18:18:33 <stickster> No, that was right ;-D
18:18:34 <stickster> #action stickster install Feeds module so we can try it out
18:18:38 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
18:18:58 <stickster> #topic Package details
18:19:12 <Southern_Gentlem> are these modules you are packageing available for public consumption?
18:19:13 <stickster> OK, Sparks_too -- package stuff
18:19:24 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: Absolutely
18:19:32 <stickster> They're all from drupal.org contributed modules
18:19:47 <Sparks_too> stickster: I understand what you are saying and I wasn't aware that was an option.
18:19:52 <stickster> Other than the AuthFAS one, which comes from here: http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=pfrields/public_git/drupal-authfas-6x.git;a=summary
18:20:17 <Southern_Gentlem> yes are these rpms in the repos or in testing?
18:20:35 <Sparks_too> The biggest problem is going to be the package naming schemes that differ between Fedora and EPEL and RHEL
18:20:36 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: Some are in review in Bugzilla, the rest will follow when we know we want to install them
18:21:15 <stickster> Sparks_too: Well, in the package review that I did, here's how the naming was set up
18:21:30 <stickster> The module package was called 'drupal6-footnotes'
18:22:06 <stickster> I assumed that was going to stay the same for all branches, since our package system relies upon that
18:22:24 <stickster> So in F-13/F-14/F-15/EL-5/EL-6... it will have that name
18:22:28 <stickster> Sparks_too: With me so far?
18:22:48 <Sparks_too> Yes.  flexifilter is named drupal6-flexifilter, now
18:23:19 <stickster> Or is that where I'm going wrong? Is it Sven's intention to make a separate module drupal-footnotes module (note, no "6") for use on Fedora, and this review is purely for EPEL?
18:23:58 <Sparks_too> No, both will be named drupal6... just the dependencies will be different, AFAIK
18:24:09 <stickster> OK, that's where I think things would be a lot easier to just have one spec file
18:24:17 <stickster> I mean, it really is up to the maintainer, but you can do this:
18:24:24 <stickster> %if %{?fedora}
18:24:29 <stickster> Requires: drupal >= 6.0
18:24:31 <stickster> %endif
18:24:34 <stickster> %if %{?rhel}
18:24:39 <stickster> Requires: drupal6 >= 6.0
18:24:40 <stickster> %endif
18:25:04 <stickster> And if Fedora changes the way it works in F-15, you can cover that too, using '%if 0%{?fedora} >= 15'
18:25:22 <Sparks_too> Okay.  I'll put that in the ticket.
18:25:26 <gholms> Will it be drupal6 for both el5 and el6?
18:25:51 <stickster> gholms: That I do not know, but I would think so -- because el5 already has 'drupal' in it and we don't want to inflict a bunch of obsoletes pain on anyone
18:27:22 <stickster> OK, I guess this is still confusing.
18:27:47 * Sparks_too thought it was drupal6 on el5 and el6
18:27:47 <stickster> Sparks_too: If you're as confused as I am, can you write an email to the list asking for someone to write out the plan, in short simple statements we dunces understand? :-)
18:28:06 <Sparks_too> .whoowns drupal
18:28:10 <stickster> limb
18:28:10 <zodbot> Sparks_too: limb
18:28:16 <stickster> You're slow, zodbot.
18:28:23 <stickster> limb also owns drupal6.
18:28:25 <Sparks_too> Okay, I'll make sure to include him as well
18:28:45 <stickster> Sparks_too: And if you're NOT as confused as I am, feel free to say so in the email... I'm happy to be the dunce
18:28:56 <Sparks_too> I think we'll both be sitting in the corner
18:28:57 <stickster> I just want to know how to do this review properly
18:29:11 <stickster> In my experience, having one spec file that you can maintain easily from the git master is the best way to go
18:29:19 <stickster> Rather than having different ones for different branches
18:29:26 <stickster> *but*
18:29:32 <stickster> totally the maintainer's call
18:30:14 <Sparks_too> stickster: I agree
18:30:19 <stickster> OK, the review is really my big target for right now.
18:30:25 * Sparks_too scribes message to logistics@
18:30:53 <stickster> #action Sparks_too write email to logistics to get someone to explain the packaging decisions in full to us dunces :-)
18:31:05 <stickster> Like everyone here, I'm swamped coming up to the F-14 release
18:31:53 <stickster> Plus I have a lecture to give tonight in DC, and a big internal meeting (not Fedora related) next week to prep for -- so I'm a bit behind. I expect things to let up slightly next week, at least enough that I can get back to doing some Insight work.
18:32:10 <stickster> asrob: I'll install the Feeds module so you can play around with it and show us its capabilities.
18:32:22 <asrob> stickster: ok ;)
18:32:28 <stickster> asrob: Remember that whatever settings we change or feed configurations we make, need to be *documented* on the wiki
18:32:36 <stickster> So we can repeat our work if necessary, and the community can use it too
18:33:13 <stickster> #action stickster email Hiemanshu to ask where our theme push is
18:33:27 <stickster> I'm going to go to open floor if that's OK with everyone
18:33:47 <asrob> ok
18:33:53 <stickster> #info Everyone's focused on F-14 right now but next week we will be cranking up the engines again
18:34:02 <stickster> #topic All other business (AOB) - open floor
18:36:16 <stickster> I made a tiny bit of progress on FWN presentation in a single node
18:36:26 <stickster> But I think pcalarco was going to try something more functional
18:36:46 <stickster> I see on the site there's a link at the top now for FWN 247
18:36:52 <asrob> I am going to help in views
18:37:07 <stickster> asrob: That's excellent
18:37:20 <stickster> asrob: I think a View can be exported in some sort of serialized format, is that right?
18:37:24 <asrob> yes
18:37:43 <stickster> asrob: We can record that on the wiki, either pasted in a <pre>...</pre> block, or attached as a file
18:38:52 <asrob> ok
18:39:03 <stickster> asrob: Do you know if there's a way to filter nodes in a View based on count? As in, the first of a series?
18:39:56 <asrob> stickster: like this? http://nxd.asrob.net/galeria-lista
18:40:16 <asrob> this is a views, it has some gallery
18:41:14 <stickster> asrob: Not quite what I was thinking -- What I meant is, can I have a View only report the most recent node out of the results?
18:42:11 <asrob> I think yes
18:42:15 <stickster> Oh, I think I found it
18:42:18 <stickster> "Items to display"
18:42:35 <stickster> So if I have them in order with the newest first, and use "items to display" = 1, that would be just the most recent item
18:43:27 <asrob> imho yes, but i need to check
18:45:16 <stickster> OK, I have nothing further for today
18:45:34 <stickster> #info Feeds module has been installed now
18:45:49 <stickster> #undo
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18:45:50 <stickster> Whoops.
18:46:15 <stickster> asrob: Looks like Feeds requires PHP >= 5.2. That means it won't work until we get our instance running on EL-6. <-- smooge
18:46:32 <asrob> :(
18:46:47 <stickster> We'll look further at this next week.
18:46:56 <asrob> ok
18:47:16 <stickster> asrob: It would be great if you could research our options there, and report them to the logistics list. Can you do that?
18:47:54 <smooge> ugh
18:48:01 <smooge> ok that is going to be a while.
18:48:08 <stickster> smooge: Yeah, I figured as much.
18:48:28 <smooge> or we go to a multi-app mapping
18:48:35 <asrob> stickster: I think yes, I can but I have a problem with FakeFAS account
18:48:41 <asrob> I got an error message
18:48:45 <stickster> smooge: I'm still not clear on what the requirement is for Feeds. I know it's cool, but we want to not get in the habit of letting coolness drive what we install
18:49:04 <smooge> I would need to talk to abadger and mmcgrath on if that would be feasible
18:49:15 <stickster> asrob: Let's meet over in #fedora-mktg and we can handle that problem.
18:49:26 <asrob> ok
18:49:50 <stickster> #action asrob See if we have any alternatives or if there's a way to use Feeds *other* than upgrading to EL-6
18:50:06 <asrob> I am on it ;)
18:50:32 <stickster> #action smooge Find out if EL-6 upgrade is feasible, or maybe an approximate ETA, with the understanding that we want to stay requirements driven, not module driven
18:50:45 <stickster> OK, that'll do it for today then.
18:50:48 <stickster> Closing in 30
18:51:39 <stickster> 10
18:52:06 <stickster> #endmeeting