01:00:06 <StabbyMc> #startmeeting 01:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 20 01:00:06 2010 UTC. The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:09 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Announcements 01:00:25 <StabbyMc> Announce 'em if you got 'em 01:01:16 <lcafiero> In a bloodless coup, I'm taking over chairing the meeting from StabbyMc :-) 01:01:25 <lcafiero> starting with the Nov. 2 meeting 01:01:32 <StabbyMc> Indeed. 01:01:37 <herlo> well, there ya go 01:01:38 <lcafiero> you have all been warned 01:01:55 <Ender2070> :) 01:02:07 <StabbyMc> Other announcements? 01:02:19 * StabbyMc looks at the agenda and it looks like it may be a short meeting. 01:02:22 <herlo> the world is still here 01:02:27 <herlo> that is all 01:02:37 <StabbyMc> 3 01:02:42 <NiveusLuna> Sorry I'm late. 01:02:44 <StabbyMc> 2 01:02:44 <lcafiero> Wait. 01:03:07 <VileGent> lcafiero, you will be on time??? 01:03:12 <lcafiero> MarkDude isn't here, but he's having a big to do for F14 next month in the East SF Bay that's turning out to be a big event. 01:03:23 <lcafiero> VileGent: yes, the farmers market is over after next Tuesday. 01:04:02 <herlo> ooh, so for 6 months or so lcafiero ?? 01:04:21 <lcafiero> 6 months!?! hey, wait . . . 01:04:24 <rbergeron> lol 01:04:24 * lcafiero kids 01:04:35 <NiveusLuna> have I missed anything? 01:04:40 <lcafiero> or longer, if you can put up with me. 01:04:46 <VileGent> not really 01:04:46 <inode0> let's start over 01:05:09 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Events 01:05:18 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents 01:05:52 <StabbyMc> Anyone doing an event that needs things that doesn't have things? 01:06:04 <VileGent> i will ahve after tomorrow 01:06:08 <VileGent> have 01:06:10 <NiveusLuna> Mine should be on the way. 01:06:27 * inode0 does but asked FAmSCo to pay for it :) 01:06:31 * rbergeron notes that Linux Plumbers Conference is in like 2 weeks; nobody is going? 01:06:44 <herlo> ooh, I always want to go 01:06:49 <rbergeron> lol 01:06:53 <herlo> rbergeron: I think a few RHers are probably going... 01:06:55 <lcafiero> Um, not that I'm aware of. 01:06:59 <lcafiero> Who's in the area? 01:07:01 <rbergeron> yeah, my sig0 is going 01:07:05 <rbergeron> well, it's in boston 01:07:12 <lcafiero> It's not in portland? 01:07:16 <herlo> rbergeron: if only I was here in two weeks 01:07:19 <rbergeron> which is why I was kind of wondering if any fedora / rh folks are going 01:07:24 <rbergeron> lcafiero: no, it's in boston ;) 01:07:42 * herlo will be in SLC in two weeks 01:07:46 <VileGent> ! VTLUUG installfest we saw about 50 people, answered some questions and they did about 10 installs 01:08:03 <herlo> VileGent: nice 01:08:16 * herlo wants to talk about media for 2 clicks of a second 01:08:21 <herlo> whenever we're ready for me 01:08:36 <mock> VileGent: 10 installs? good show. 01:08:40 <StabbyMc> herlo: hold that until the next topic please. 01:08:40 <lcafiero> indeed 01:08:57 <lcafiero> MarkDude's event is not up yet on the wiki, so I won't bring it up. 01:09:12 <VileGent> Rising star is this weekend and i will see if i can drum up so more foss support 01:09:20 * lcafiero prepares a good scolding for his manatee 01:09:31 <herlo> StabbyMc: can do 01:09:34 <lcafiero> Rising Star? 01:09:57 <VileGent> on the event list 01:10:05 <VileGent> rising-star.org 01:10:32 <lcafiero> found it. didn't see it because I was looking at the wrong quarter 01:12:55 <StabbyMc> Any other events stuff? 01:13:15 <VileGent> next topic 01:13:22 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Budget 01:13:43 <StabbyMc> I don't think there's much in the Budget item per se. 01:13:48 <StabbyMc> So how about we start a sub-topic. 01:13:56 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors - Media/SWAG/Stuff Inventor 01:14:13 * herlo guesses that it's meant for him...? 01:14:18 <StabbyMc> herlo, have at it. 01:14:20 <herlo> and I'm off 01:14:44 <herlo> Just a quick heads up. I'll be starting the process of ordering media this week and next 01:15:06 <herlo> need to get with design team on sleeve design and then it should be just a matter of ordering what we got last time. Seemed to work well 01:15:31 <herlo> if you have an event for Q4 or Q1 (iirc), get it on the docket so I can order properly 01:16:20 <herlo> I will be askign about dual-sided DVDs, but I suspect the time involved may have me defer to F15 unless someone else wants to pursue that task and get pricing from ams or other media vendors 01:16:23 <lcafiero> +1 01:16:25 <herlo> that is me.... 01:16:30 <herlo> I'm done 01:16:33 <herlo> cooked 01:16:34 <herlo> baked 01:16:43 <lcafiero> stick a fork in him? 01:16:46 <herlo> finished and hopefully not too edible 01:16:50 <herlo> :) 01:16:51 <lcafiero> heh 01:16:55 <VileGent> herlo, myself i dont want to do dual dvd 01:17:00 <herlo> VileGent: I know 01:17:17 <herlo> but enough people have asked that I figure it is worth asking about... 01:17:22 <herlo> could be nothing more atm 01:17:34 <lcafiero> i'd like to see how the europeans fare with it first 01:17:59 <lcafiero> isn't EMEA doing the dual-sided DVD for F14? 01:18:07 * nb likes the idea of dual-sided dvds but doesn't know it'd be worth it because a lot of people won't need both arches 01:18:07 <inode0> I don't see any reason not to but don't think we can plan to until F15 at the earliest 01:18:12 <nb> but it'd be worth getting prices 01:18:31 <inode0> they are dual layer, not dual sided 01:18:54 <lcafiero> oh. 01:18:55 <VileGent> lcafiero, i think the livecd isos on dvd would be better IMHO 01:19:07 <inode0> that is what this is 01:19:10 <NiveusLuna> I like VileGent's idea. 01:19:22 <mock> can't all of them fit? live and installs? 01:19:29 <VileGent> no 01:19:33 <inode0> no, it is just live cds 01:20:13 <mock> were the install versions going to be 32- and 64-bit on the same? 01:20:14 <VileGent> easy to put the desktop and kde both arches on a dvd 01:20:42 <inode0> desktop/kde/lxde/xfce/moblin both arches on one dual layer dvd 01:20:51 <inode0> for live media 01:21:01 <NiveusLuna> if I may ask, why aren't there official media of XFCE and LXDE? Not enough of a userbase? 01:21:03 <herlo> when you come to a conclusion, let me know 01:21:10 * herlo actually has no preference 01:21:19 <inode0> herlo: what they are making now in EMEA is live media 01:21:26 <lcafiero> what do you mean by "official media"? 01:21:35 <inode0> but I don't see how it can get into the mix for F14 01:21:36 <NiveusLuna> "not spins" 01:21:48 <inode0> spins are official 01:22:05 <NiveusLuna> okay, one that you don't have to go to spins.fedoraproject.org to obtain. 01:22:21 <mock> didn't mean to get bogged down in details. i was just curious. is this been the content of the email floating around for the past couple of weeks? 01:22:28 <inode0> well, that is where the official spins live 01:22:49 <NiveusLuna> KDE spin is available on the main site, though. 01:23:08 <inode0> politics 01:23:15 <NiveusLuna> ah. 01:23:17 <inode0> outside our realm 01:23:19 <NiveusLuna> good enough for me. 01:24:01 * nb likes the idea of what emea is doing but wishes the board would let them call desktop "gnome" 01:24:03 <nb> since that's what it is 01:24:18 <inode0> ditto 01:24:52 <NiveusLuna> likewise. 01:24:58 <herlo> inode0: understood 01:25:07 <herlo> but I don't know that we ahve to follow suit per se 01:25:41 <inode0> nope, but when it is official media I think we should seriously consider pressing it - that is all 01:26:12 <lcafiero> +1 01:26:15 <herlo> inode0: no, I was responding to the EMEA is doing live thing 01:26:22 <herlo> but I'm easy going 01:26:43 <inode0> yeah, this is serious media for giving different things a test drive 01:26:56 <inode0> without making a mess 01:27:54 <lcafiero> would this be a good time to bring up inventory? 01:28:05 <NiveusLuna> I'd really love to distribute that. Wouldn't have to say "I use this one, but give all these others a shot". 01:28:20 <inode0> if the thing we can't call the GNOME spin is larger than a CD for F15 I see no reason not to go hog wild with options :) 01:28:43 <lcafiero> maybe not 01:36:54 * inode0 seconds moving on to inventory 01:36:54 <inode0> that is important 01:36:54 <lcafiero> so to nb, VileGent, herlo -- is there anyone else who distributes media/swag? StabbyMc? 01:36:54 <lcafiero> ke4qqq? 01:36:54 <inode0> brian does 01:36:54 <lcafiero> oh right, brian's in the northeast 01:36:54 <inode0> figure he is short on everything :) 01:36:54 <lcafiero> right, I agendized the inventory just to get a sense of who has what and who needs what. 01:36:54 <lcafiero> I've got shirts, pens, balloons, statics, but no stickers and no media 01:36:54 <inode0> from now on stickers means 3" logo stickers, right? 01:36:54 <lcafiero> right, the f stickers 01:36:54 <lcafiero> oh, and no buttons 01:36:54 * inode0 would request resupplies of laptop stickers and case badges with some excess for a side project so some are on hand 01:36:54 <lcafiero> actually, that would be a good idea. 01:36:55 <lcafiero> didn't brian order those originally? 01:36:55 <inode0> rrix: has the buttons ready to order I believe, we just need to badger him until he pulls the trigger 01:36:55 * lcafiero will make him pull the trigger if he wants to see his stuff for his event. bwahahahaha 01:37:07 <lcafiero> oops 01:37:13 * nb wonders if it got quiet or if it's just him 01:37:26 <lcafiero> looks like a split 01:37:32 <nb> oh 01:37:35 <inode0> StabbyMc did the laptop stickers, I think spevack knows how to reorder case badges 01:37:36 <StabbyMc_> indeed. 01:37:44 <lcafiero> Ah, OK. 01:37:49 <StabbyMc_> I did the laptop stickers and pens. 01:37:56 * nb has shirts, pens, balloons, statics 01:38:00 <nb> almost no laptop stickers 01:38:24 * nb has some case badges, but not a really large quantity 01:38:27 <herlo> I think the GNOmE/DESKTOP discussion could be taken offline, no? 01:38:27 * herlo is only talking about what is happening for F14 media 01:38:27 <herlo> in NA 01:38:27 <herlo> bueller? 01:38:27 <herlo> bueller? 01:38:27 <herlo> bueller? 01:38:27 <herlo> seriously, is anyone here?? 01:38:27 <herlo> StabbyMc: ?? 01:38:27 * herlo feels lonely 01:38:27 <Ender2070> im here 01:38:28 <herlo> oh good 01:38:28 <mock> having a collection of all the lives on a single disc would be great. i think having at least the 32- and 64-bit installs on a disc too would be good. separate discs. 01:38:28 <nb> maybe 100 or 2? 01:38:36 <NiveusLuna> Would we still need a separate DVD for the 32-bit lives and 64-bit lives? 01:39:00 <mock> i would think you could stick all five lives for both bits on a single dual-layer dvd. 01:39:01 <rbergero> fail 01:39:01 * rbergero kicks the lagbot 01:39:02 <nb_> ok my computer is having issues 01:39:02 <nb_> did i miss anything? 01:39:02 <NiveusLuna> last you saw? 01:39:03 <Guest66280> about the media 01:39:03 <Guest66280> <inode0> [21:28:17] if the thing we can't call the GNOME spin is larger than a CD for F15 I see no reason not to go hog wild with options :) 01:39:03 <Guest66280> <lcafiero> [21:28:41] maybe not 01:39:05 <NiveusLuna> PM 01:39:05 <StabbyMc_> Is everyone back from the split? 01:39:26 <lcafiero> i'm here - seems like I never left 01:39:27 <NiveusLuna> the crap? 01:39:27 <rbergero> wow, lag comin on back 01:39:30 <herlo> fun! 01:39:31 <lcafiero> or I've been talking to myself 01:39:32 <NiveusLuna> i think freenode broke for a bit 01:39:35 <rbergeron> wow 01:39:39 <rbergeron> i'm here. 01:39:42 <rbergeron> if you can see me that is ;) 01:39:42 <NiveusLuna> wow lag 01:39:46 <herlo> me and Ender2070 had a friendly 'bueller' convo 01:39:49 <NiveusLuna> we can see you, rbergeron 01:39:52 <mock> i'm here 01:39:52 <mock> hmm 01:39:52 <mock> whoa 01:39:52 <nb_> ok now nb is semi-back, strange 01:40:03 * mock scrolls back... 01:40:07 <NiveusLuna> freenode is having issues. 01:40:21 <rbergeron> clearly :) 01:40:25 <lcafiero> we can discuss inventory on list if need be 01:40:27 <inode0> ok, let's go, everything is normal :) 01:40:38 <nb> plus i think /me is getting more shirts, i think inode0 said he got some he was going to send me that got sent to him instead 01:40:39 <lcafiero> move along, nothing to see here. 01:40:43 <StabbyMc_> Ok, so we were talking about Swat and inventories. 01:40:51 <StabbyMc_> swag even. 01:40:52 <lcafiero> right 01:40:56 <SG_Logger> my inventory is very low 01:41:12 <StabbyMc_> SG_Logger: you're not a regional shipping ambassador, right? 01:41:15 <lcafiero> we're talking about those who distribute the swag, SG_Logger 01:41:15 * inode0 wonders who is SG_Logger 01:41:20 <SG_Logger> yes i am 01:41:20 * NiveusLuna has no inventory yet. What he requested should be on its way, though. 01:41:27 <NiveusLuna> oh. 01:41:35 <inode0> haha 01:41:38 <lcafiero> heh 01:41:39 <StabbyMc_> Ah. 01:41:44 <NiveusLuna> nvm then. 01:41:53 <lcafiero> oh for the love of . . . 01:42:08 <nb> ok, i think we are all back now 01:42:10 * inode0 suggests we figure out what it will cost to buy everything 01:42:18 <StabbyMc_> Ok, so what items are we talking about needing replenishment 01:42:20 <StabbyMc_> ? 01:42:23 <nb> laptop stickers 01:42:25 <lcafiero> stickers 01:42:26 <StabbyMc_> and if you say all of them, someone will die. 01:42:32 <lcafiero> heh 01:42:45 <lcafiero> buttons 01:42:53 <inode0> we don't need tattoos 01:42:58 <inode0> everything else 01:43:01 <lcafiero> Oh, I'm OK with tattoos 01:43:03 <VileGent> no more tattoos 01:43:06 * nb has lots of tattoos 01:43:11 <herlo> me too 01:43:11 <StabbyMc> pens? 01:43:18 * herlo needs some soon 01:43:21 <lcafiero> I'm good with pens. anyone else? 01:43:34 * lcafiero is afraid we may have wiped herlo out at UTOSC 01:43:37 <rbergeron> I think if there are any big ticket ites we want for next year in the budget, now is a good time to start thinking about it. 01:43:44 <herlo> no rush...I'll be okay for a few weeks 01:43:57 <StabbyMc> herlo: on pens? 01:44:01 <VileGent> i have 100 pens, 100 voice stickers, and about 30 case badges, and 50 balloons 01:44:04 <lcafiero> right. We should start discussing that on list 01:44:12 * rbergeron nods 01:44:12 <rbergeron> yup. 01:44:15 <herlo> StabbyMc: yup 01:44:23 <rrix> inode0: click, boom, pulling the trigger now 01:44:25 <StabbyMc> What about case badges? 01:44:47 * herlo is not sure on case badges 01:44:47 <VileGent> thats 30 case badges not 20 strips 01:44:49 <nb> inode0, you have shirts for me, right? I think? 01:44:51 <lcafiero> I don't know how everyone else is, but I'm running short 01:44:58 <inode0> nb: yes 01:45:10 <lcafiero> have enough -- I'm very frugal with them -- but would like some more for the event box 01:45:13 <VileGent> and about 100 statics 01:45:18 <inode0> we just bought shirts and can't need more of them now 01:45:18 * nb has maybe 20 strips of case badges 01:45:27 <lcafiero> shirts are good. 01:45:35 <lcafiero> I have a full box 01:45:57 <StabbyMc> Ok, to recap. 01:46:00 <nb> yeah, i have a good amount of them still, plus ones coming from inode0 01:46:15 <StabbyMc> Needs: Stickers, pens, case badges, buttons 01:46:26 <lcafiero> yes 01:46:29 <VileGent> more balloons or not? 01:46:34 <inode0> buttons are taken care of if I understood rrix 01:46:37 <VileGent> and mini stickers 01:46:38 <StabbyMc> OK on : Tees, tats, statics, balloons 01:46:40 * herlo likes balloons 01:46:48 <lcafiero> yes. 01:47:03 * lcafiero will confer with rrix about buttons 01:47:06 <rrix> inode0: they will be momentarily, yes 01:47:18 <inode0> close enough 01:47:20 <lcafiero> dang, I'm good 01:48:15 <lcafiero> mini-stickers - are you talking about the keyboard sticker? 01:48:17 <StabbyMc> Ok, for those items marked as "need", would we prefer to swap for something else instead of doing replenishment? 01:48:31 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: yes, that is what is meant by mini-sticker. 01:48:36 <lcafiero> ah 01:48:45 <inode0> we likely will need laptop stickers and case badges 01:48:46 <lcafiero> like lanyards, maybe? 01:49:00 <inode0> oh, lanyards for FUDCon are here 01:49:06 <herlo> lanyards for FUDCON!! w00t! 01:49:11 * rrix notes that the lanywards are waesum 01:49:11 <rrix> awesum 01:49:13 <inode0> everyone will get some 01:49:16 <StabbyMc> lanyards are likely a budget buster compared to the other items. 01:49:23 <inode0> well, for some definition of everyone 01:49:26 <lcafiero> on lanyards -- jsmith wore one at UTOSC and about 50 people came to the booth asking where they could get one. 01:49:42 <nb> inode0, so some are going to be sent to the regional shipping people? 01:49:45 <NiveusLuna> I'd like one, myself. 01:49:46 <nb> or all are giving out at fudcon? 01:49:54 <inode0> these aren't gonna be booth swag I don't think 01:49:59 <lcafiero> pity 01:50:34 <lcafiero> OK then 01:50:43 <inode0> you can do what you want with yours but I'd like to see everyone behind the booth with one rather than people on the other side of it 01:50:53 <nb> yeah 01:50:55 <lcafiero> i wear my ISU lanyard 01:51:26 <inode0> nb: yes, everyone above meant regional distributors 01:51:36 <StabbyMc> We're veering off topic. 01:51:48 <nb> so they are intended for sending out to people that own events for them to wear at the events 01:51:49 <nb> right? 01:51:58 <inode0> we can perhaps get cheaper ones for booth swag in the future 01:52:19 <lcafiero> well, at the moment, the lanyards are for those attending FUDCon, if I'm not mistaken 01:52:21 <StabbyMc> cats: I am hearding you. 01:52:29 <lcafiero> OK 01:52:58 <StabbyMc> Is there something we'd like to work on in place of one of the items on the "needs" list in lieu of getting replenishment on it? 01:52:59 <lcafiero> I guess my work is done here 01:54:33 <herlo> indeed 01:54:50 <StabbyMc> allright. 01:55:07 <StabbyMc> Then I'll have to talk with speevak about budget to make sure we can accomodate all the replenishment + media. 01:55:08 <lcafiero> So we can continue on list and in #fedora-ambassadors 01:55:59 <lcafiero> continue this discussion, that is. 01:56:04 <lcafiero> what's next? 01:56:11 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedoar NA Ambassadors - Unfinished Business/Open Floor 01:57:07 <StabbyMc> Any other items for discussion? 01:57:26 <VileGent> balloons cost us $250 for 1000 01:57:54 <inode0> get more balloons, those are cheap and make people happy 01:58:26 <inode0> take advantage of, I'm not usually this loose with money :) 01:58:37 <VileGent> another 1000 or more 01:58:55 <rbergeron> can we get blue ones with white printing? 01:59:04 <rbergeron> or just white with blue 01:59:35 <VileGent> if you want to go thru getting the graphics redone 02:00:24 <rbergeron> ah 02:00:29 * rbergeron checks her copious spare time 02:00:32 <rbergeron> never mind ;) 02:00:35 <lcafiero> heh 02:00:47 <VileGent> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/122 02:01:01 <StabbyMc> Ok, it's time to call the meeting. 02:01:14 <lcafiero> The balloons are nice. I admit to being skeptical at first, but I like them now. 02:01:18 <lcafiero> yay 02:01:21 <StabbyMc> Any last minute stuff? 02:01:24 <rbergeron> i'm apparently not awesome enough to view tickets :( 02:01:35 <lcafiero> or too awesome 02:01:42 <StabbyMc> 3 02:01:47 <StabbyMc> 2 02:01:52 <StabbyMc> 1 02:01:54 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting