03:09:09 <dramsey> #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2010-10-17 - APAC
03:09:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Oct 17 03:09:09 2010 UTC.  The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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03:09:19 <azneita> hi luke, david
03:09:23 <dramsey> #chair dramsey
03:09:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dramsey
03:09:28 <dramsey> .fas dramsey
03:09:31 <asmartgoat> .fas asmartgoat
03:09:34 <azneita> .fas azneita
03:09:35 <dramsey> Hello azneita
03:09:37 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com>
03:09:41 <zodbot> asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found!
03:09:44 <asmartgoat> what
03:09:44 <zodbot> azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' <herson@azneita.org>
03:09:55 <asmartgoat> oh well
03:09:58 <tuanta> 'asmartgoat' Not Found! :)
03:10:02 <dramsey> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2010-10-17#Agenda
03:10:13 * asmartgoat thinks he exists
03:10:15 <dramsey> try .fas asmartgoat
03:10:21 <dramsey> .fas asmartgoat
03:10:21 <zodbot> dramsey: 'asmartgoat' Not Found!
03:10:22 <asmartgoat> .fas asmartgoat
03:10:25 <zodbot> asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found!
03:10:41 <dramsey> Oh well...
03:10:43 <asmartgoat> dont worry
03:11:02 <dramsey> Welcome to APAC!!!
03:11:10 <azneita> it's probably something with his group memberships
03:11:18 <dramsey> true
03:11:20 <azneita> it's ok
03:11:26 <asmartgoat> :)
03:11:26 <dramsey> I am David from Tokyo and I use both Fedora 13 with DVD and USB.
03:11:58 <dramsey> I think our ideas for needs like Fedora 14 as well as budget ideas to give for APAC will be useful today.
03:12:01 <tuanta> I am Tuan from Vietnam
03:12:10 <asmartgoat> I am Luke from Melbourne australia I use fedora 13 from a CD, and i'm currently getting mentored by azneita
03:12:16 <tuanta> just upgraded to F14 Beta
03:12:27 <dramsey> #topic Ambassadors Members Pinging
03:12:29 <azneita> herson from the philippines and i'm luke's old mentor
03:12:43 <dramsey> Cool!!!
03:12:51 <azneita> hehe
03:13:01 <azneita> he's joining us today to learn the ropes
03:13:08 <dramsey> Great!
03:13:13 <tuanta> cool
03:13:23 <asmartgoat> i've read some of the last few meetings so i know how it works. :)
03:13:44 <azneita> and he's doing his homework too :) good job luke
03:13:48 <dramsey> +1
03:13:53 <azneita> it makes my job easier :)
03:13:55 <asmartgoat> thanks
03:14:02 <dramsey> ;)
03:14:05 <dramsey> #topic News from  FAmSCo (will skip this topic, if no FAmSCo information / representation is at meeting.)
03:14:30 <dramsey> I read some things from Max on budget, do we have needs for our upcoming events?
03:14:41 <dramsey> Swag...
03:14:46 <azneita> some for me
03:14:51 <dramsey> Go for it
03:15:33 <tuanta> I requested budget to fly to Ho Chi Minh city to hold the first Fedora 14 Release Party there
03:15:46 <azneita> we're working on an f14 release party and i need swag to give out to attendees
03:15:51 <dramsey> +1
03:15:54 <dramsey> +1
03:16:13 <dramsey> May be we discuss upcoming APAC events sound good?
03:16:22 <dramsey> #topic  Report current status of upcoming APAC Fedora Events. Also, planning and preparation for future APAC Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 Release Events.
03:16:28 <asmartgoat> linux.conf.au
03:16:53 <dramsey> Also does everyone know that Harish has Fedora 13 Live Media with oo.o, virt, xournal, and a few more. for us?  If we need ask Harish.
03:16:54 <azneita> are you working on that luke?
03:16:57 <asmartgoat> its january 2011 im not sure theres a member in brisbane
03:17:07 <asmartgoat> im too far away
03:17:08 <tuanta> I will download the ISO file to burn LiveCD myself
03:17:18 <dramsey> There are definitely some Red Hat engineers at Brisbane, too.
03:17:33 <azneita> that's true
03:17:53 <dramsey> #idea contact Red Hat engineers at Brisbane as idea.
03:18:10 <tuanta> +1
03:18:17 <dramsey> #link linux.conf.au
03:18:33 <asmartgoat> +1
03:18:58 <dramsey> Tuan, do you blank media?  Azneita, DVD replicator?  Asmartgoat, some swag, too? Other ideas?
03:19:21 <dramsey> I saw ideas on Fedora 14 posters and others.
03:19:48 <dramsey> .chair tuanta
03:19:55 <dramsey> .chair azneita
03:19:56 <tuanta> I can buy blank media in Vietnam
03:20:00 <dramsey> .chair asmartgoat
03:20:02 <azneita> i'm working on squeezing in some technical sessions for the release party
03:20:17 <asmartgoat> Well, im up in the air until the start of next year, when im hopefully moving to Adelaide.
03:20:18 <azneita> things like remixing, git, etc.
03:20:18 <tuanta> I requested budget for that
03:20:23 <dramsey> May be ask for budget for media, what do you think Tuan?
03:20:28 <dramsey> +1 Tuan!
03:20:38 <dramsey> +1 asmartgoat and azneita
03:21:02 <asmartgoat> fedora has no presence in adelaide, so i hope to make one
03:21:10 <dramsey> Do we have any other needs?  Like labels or other SWAG with funds?
03:21:18 <dramsey> +1 adelaide representation
03:21:57 <asmartgoat> I've been researching and there are no installfests been held (soon) in Adelaide. So i hope to change that. :)
03:22:23 <asmartgoat> And only LUG's in the south, while i'll be in the north about a 2hr drive away.
03:22:32 <asmartgoat> from the nearest lug
03:22:33 <dramsey> Ask for support and budget, I think this is our chance to do.
03:22:54 <azneita> we'll put forward some requests david
03:23:06 <dramsey> +1
03:23:28 <azneita> are we working on a tight schedule for budget requests?
03:23:33 <dramsey> Other events, I am doing my biweekly Akibahara Fedora 13
03:23:33 <dramsey> #topic Plans on APAC that need coordination/organization for example, FreeMedia and/or other things needed.
03:23:39 <dramsey> True on tight schedule
03:23:53 <azneita> like how tight? end of oct?
03:23:55 <dramsey> I think is our chance to try.  Also, prepare for Fedora 14
03:24:10 <tuanta> +1
03:24:22 <dramsey> I don't know but I am sure Susmit will review our logs and provide information.
03:24:34 <azneita> ah ok
03:24:44 <dramsey> #action APAC Budget Deadline, clarity for Fedora Ambassadors
03:26:06 <azneita> by the way david, i'll put forward a request for budget before the event so i'll have enough room to manouver
03:26:13 <dramsey> +1
03:26:29 <dramsey> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events
03:27:13 <azneita> it will appear on the famsco trac within the week
03:27:15 <dramsey> azneita, I added your Fedora 14 event copied from the events content here.
03:27:19 <dramsey> Great!!!
03:27:59 <azneita> thanks david, i forgot about that
03:28:29 <dramsey> We help each here at APAC!  I like everyone's ideas
03:28:39 <dramsey> Let us all make push for budget and swag requests
03:29:07 <asmartgoat> we need an event box. :D
03:29:32 <asmartgoat> for those big conferences and meetings
03:29:41 <azneita> i'm also thinking along the same line but it will be a per country thing
03:29:46 <tuanta> +1 David
03:29:52 <dramsey> #idea APAC Event Box!
03:29:54 <dramsey> :D
03:29:55 <azneita> we have a semblance of one for the philippines
03:30:03 <tuanta> +1 :)
03:30:12 <dramsey> 1
03:30:15 <dramsey> +1
03:30:18 <asmartgoat> +1
03:30:19 <azneita> with banners and stuff
03:30:30 <asmartgoat> i dont think im allowed to +1 my ideas. :P
03:30:31 <dramsey> Did someone get the Fedora Banners?
03:30:46 <tuanta> no :(
03:30:50 <dramsey> +1 for +2
03:30:51 <dramsey> :)
03:30:55 <azneita> we made some last year and just reused them
03:31:05 <tuanta> I also need some banners and panos for the next Release party
03:31:19 <tuanta> but I have not got any ideas now
03:31:35 <dramsey> Those are great ideas, Tuan!
03:31:45 <dramsey> Needs help make ideas.
03:31:46 <azneita> tuanta, your best bet is fedora design
03:31:56 <azneita> mizmo helped us with ours last year
03:32:06 <dramsey> May be labels, too?
03:32:39 <azneita> i loved the dice-look-alike thing with command line cheats
03:33:13 <tuanta> I found some designs for posters here: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#General_Purpose_Re-usable_Fedora_Poster_Designs
03:33:39 <asmartgoat> those are the Freedom, infinity, voice one
03:33:43 <asmartgoat> s*
03:33:44 <tuanta> but not for big pano: 0.5m x 3m
03:34:16 <tuanta> I need one to hang above the University gate
03:34:17 <dramsey> +1
03:34:23 <asmartgoat> hmm how about we ask the design team for some SVG's of freedom, friends, features first
03:34:33 <dramsey> Cool!
03:34:40 <asmartgoat> #idea ask the design team for poster designs for the 4 F's
03:34:57 <tuanta> this one is for 4F's: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Freedom1_2.png
03:34:59 <azneita> http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/album.php?entry=20091002124644&show=107.jpg
03:35:31 <asmartgoat> but one on each
03:35:58 <dramsey> These are great ideas and information!
03:36:21 <asmartgoat> so one saying First and under it it will say  " fedora always strives to be first on the technology field. We lead, we dont follow etc.)
03:36:34 <asmartgoat> something like that
03:36:54 <dramsey> Ask and we will receive.
03:36:55 <tuanta> do you think I can request the Fedora design team for a 0.5x3m pano?
03:37:13 <azneita> you can open a ticket for one tuanta
03:37:19 <dramsey> True, ask.
03:37:25 <dramsey> Let us try
03:37:29 <tuanta> on what Trac?
03:38:01 <azneita> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/
03:38:30 <tuanta> great, thanks!
03:38:34 <dramsey> +1
03:38:48 <azneita> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/
03:39:19 <dramsey> Also, remember our resources link, too
03:39:19 <dramsey> #idea Fedora Ambassadors APAC Request Tracker https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ This trac instance is here to help the Fedora Ambassadors from APAC make requests for resources they might need.
03:39:25 <tuanta> I will submit a ticket after the meeting :)
03:39:30 <dramsey> +1
03:40:28 <dramsey> Everyone, I use USB and DVD x86_64, do you need media, too?
03:41:21 <tuanta> David, do you install Fedora onto your hard disk?
03:41:26 <dramsey> Yup.
03:41:30 <tuanta> :)
03:41:37 <tuanta> why you still need USB?
03:41:37 <dramsey> I am like you, I have Fedora 14 Beta, too
03:41:42 <asmartgoat> i would like some for some friends. but im not allowed yet. :)
03:41:55 <dramsey> I do sort of update people's USB with Fedora 13
03:42:15 <tuanta> ah, understood
03:42:17 <dramsey> Future idea asmartgoat, now may be good/great time to plan.
03:42:42 <azneita> let's get you approved asap :)
03:42:48 <asmartgoat> :)
03:42:50 <dramsey> +1
03:43:10 <dramsey> Other ideas or next topic on action items?
03:44:12 <azneita> so our action items are the event box and posters
03:44:51 <azneita> what will be our strategy for event box...
03:45:13 <dramsey> Good question.
03:45:15 <asmartgoat> hmm
03:45:18 <dramsey> hmm
03:45:21 <azneita> my vote is for each country to accumulate the needed items
03:45:51 <dramsey> Use example from other countries like North America's as well as what we believe is useful
03:46:04 <azneita> yes
03:46:08 <asmartgoat> or to have 2 of everything in circulation and a tracking web-app that we can use to request it from others
03:46:19 <asmartgoat> more of a "cloud"-box
03:46:29 <azneita> i'm worried about the shipping fees
03:46:39 <azneita> between countries, i mean
03:46:47 <dramsey> True.
03:46:51 <tuanta> +1
03:46:56 <dramsey> +1
03:47:04 <asmartgoat> hmmm
03:47:07 <azneita> within the country, it's probably feasible
03:47:10 <dramsey> I think between our four countries many activities.
03:47:13 <dramsey> True
03:47:15 <dramsey> +1
03:47:38 <azneita> so let's say an event is being held in the philippines, we'll use ours
03:47:56 <azneita> if i go to vietnam, we'll use tuan's
03:47:58 <dramsey> #action Inquire on event box for Australia, Philipines and Vietnam.
03:47:59 <asmartgoat> ship the small expensive things beetween countrys but the rest should be made one for each country?
03:48:33 <asmartgoat> say if apac get an XO, that wouldnt cost too much to ship around for big events
03:48:39 <dramsey> I remember some things not easy to ship to Tuan's country like media
03:48:52 <asmartgoat> hmmm
03:49:11 <tuanta> it's easy to bring here by hand
03:49:22 <asmartgoat> fund a DVD printer thing for tuanta?
03:49:22 <tuanta> it's great if someone can go here
03:49:23 <dramsey> These are great ideas.
03:49:39 <dramsey> replicator?
03:49:57 <asmartgoat> just a printer that can print on DVD's
03:50:02 <azneita> let's just get multiple XOs :)
03:50:07 <dramsey> +1
03:50:14 <dramsey> What is XO?
03:50:17 <dramsey> I remember a request for azneita on such a DVD replicator, may be Tuan, too?
03:50:18 <tuanta> :)
03:50:18 <asmartgoat> +1 to XO's
03:50:26 <asmartgoat> OLPC
03:50:35 <dramsey> Ah!
03:50:37 <dramsey> Got it!
03:50:43 <asmartgoat> :)
03:50:53 <azneita> i remember when harish shipped some liveCDs to me
03:51:08 <azneita> he paid $1 for every livecd for shipping
03:51:15 <dramsey> There is that updated Sugar Spin coming out in Fedora 14 as well as other good stuff.
03:51:17 <azneita> that's $100
03:51:22 <dramsey> Ah!
03:51:28 <asmartgoat> thats quite a bit
03:51:36 <dramsey> Adds up...
03:51:43 <azneita> 100 media
03:51:58 <azneita> so that's why i'm worried about shipping
03:52:07 <tuanta> +1
03:52:10 <dramsey> +1
03:52:22 <asmartgoat> see $100 (i believe we are talking about usd) can be used to buy a printer for CD's. so how about we do media creation as localy as possible.
03:52:26 <dramsey> Give you guys the tools to make your own?
03:52:31 <asmartgoat> yes
03:52:38 <dramsey> +1
03:52:50 <tuanta> +1
03:52:53 <azneita> true
03:52:58 <tuanta> that's cool
03:53:19 <dramsey> These are very true ideas.
03:53:23 <asmartgoat> it costs me 60c to ship a cd/dvd tho
03:53:30 <asmartgoat> around australia
03:53:50 <asmartgoat> aud and usd are the same at the moment, so i dont have to specify.
03:54:01 <azneita> we're an archipelago, so our costs are a little bit higher
03:54:31 <azneita> we ship at >$2
03:54:55 <dramsey> Wow!
03:55:14 <tuanta> =-O
03:55:25 <dramsey> :-$
03:56:03 <azneita> depends on which group of islands you want is shipped
03:56:08 <dramsey> Ah...
03:56:27 <tuanta> understood
03:56:37 <asmartgoat> you could ship with you when your getting sponsored to go somewhere
03:56:44 <azneita> yes
03:56:53 <asmartgoat> stretch the budget
03:57:07 <tuanta> +1
03:58:05 <azneita> that's why planning is so important - you identify where you can stretch and where you pay up :)
03:58:14 <dramsey> Great!
03:58:45 <asmartgoat> so, any other ideas?
03:58:48 <dramsey> Let us try for ideas and support.
03:58:54 <dramsey> Should we try next topic review action items?
03:59:07 <dramsey> And/or open floor?
03:59:10 <dramsey> Good question.
03:59:47 * azneita thinks of something
04:00:01 <dramsey> Go for it
04:00:15 <azneita> luke can spearhead the events box campaign strategy for apac
04:00:34 <asmartgoat> im not in one place until next year tho.
04:00:46 <dramsey> +1
04:00:58 <azneita> just basic outline of a strategy and let's have the community have a go at it
04:01:09 <azneita> open source at its best
04:01:19 <asmartgoat> :)
04:01:42 <azneita> let's have it in the wiki
04:01:43 <asmartgoat> someone get an XO shipped to the APAC region for events
04:01:44 <dramsey> #idea  basic outline of a strategy for event box campaign strategy for apac
04:01:54 <dramsey> +1
04:03:25 <azneita> then we'll refine the strategy along the way
04:03:33 <dramsey> Great plan!
04:04:14 * asmartgoat wants to ask a question
04:04:26 <azneita> you have the floor
04:04:47 <dramsey> Other ideas or next topic?
04:04:48 <asmartgoat> do we get funding to pay for the stuff or do we get reimbursed after we purchase whatever fedora-related goods
04:05:03 <azneita> i've personally done both already
04:05:12 <tuanta> me too
04:05:14 <azneita> i just have to ask
04:05:26 <dramsey> Good question.
04:05:41 <dramsey> +1
04:05:45 <tuanta> yes, we should submit a request before to get confirmation
04:06:42 <asmartgoat> hmm...
04:07:01 <asmartgoat> oh, never mind
04:07:57 <dramsey> I think reimbursed afterwards
04:08:13 <dramsey> Ask for need, I think is best
04:08:24 <azneita> you have to build up on reimbursement first before asking for pre-payment
04:08:36 <azneita> and always present receipts
04:08:43 <tuanta> yes
04:08:45 <dramsey> yes
04:08:50 <azneita> and a detailed justification for the expense
04:08:51 <asmartgoat> ah alright
04:08:57 <azneita> something like that
04:09:15 <asmartgoat> its just because of my age, it makes it harder to get monies
04:09:27 <azneita> 14 is old :)
04:09:32 <asmartgoat> but i have monies at the moment so its all good
04:09:33 <asmartgoat> :)
04:10:26 * azneita slaps forehead
04:10:26 <asmartgoat> is it open floor?
04:10:34 <dramsey> #topic Review last meeting for items - actions and ideas
04:10:38 <dramsey> #topic Open floor
04:10:56 <azneita> if you can't receive money through usual channels, paypal, bank
04:11:05 <dramsey> +1
04:11:07 <azneita> we'll try to ship materials to you
04:11:12 <dramsey> :)
04:11:28 <azneita> or have people down under help you
04:11:33 <asmartgoat> :)
04:12:02 <azneita> did i get your concern?
04:12:50 <asmartgoat> Ok, now there is a store in adelaide called "sailsbury linux computers" (self explanatory)  i wonder if its possible to get them to switch to recommending fedora.
04:13:20 <dramsey> Envision Fedora...Picture Fedora
04:13:29 <asmartgoat> i only know their address and phone number, so i'll have to wait until im in adelaide for that so
04:13:31 <dramsey> Share the idea and plant the seed of idea...
04:13:38 <azneita> depends on you're sweet talk :)
04:13:43 <dramsey> hahaha
04:13:48 <dramsey> O:-)
04:13:53 <asmartgoat> #idea talk to "sailsbury linux computers" about fedora. and their recommendations. xD
04:14:34 <azneita> i'm thinking of not "switching" but presnting an alternative
04:15:02 <asmartgoat> #link http://www.yellowpages.com.au/sa/salisbury/salisbury-linux-computers-12685976-listing.html
04:15:09 <tuanta> :)
04:15:33 <asmartgoat> i spelt it wrong
04:15:53 <dramsey> may be a letter to 14 Ann St
04:15:54 <dramsey> SALISBURY
04:15:54 <dramsey> SA,              5108                   ADELAIDE
04:16:17 <asmartgoat> alright
04:17:13 <asmartgoat> +1
04:17:16 <asmartgoat> i'll do the letter
04:17:18 <asmartgoat> #action Write a letter to "14 Ann St Salisbury SA 5108 Adelaide" talking about fedora
04:18:06 <asmartgoat> any one else have any ideas?
04:18:32 <dramsey> Best to you all for your Fedora Events.  Remember Fedora 14 for November and future as well as Fedora 13 now.
04:18:33 <dramsey> :)
04:18:58 <asmartgoat> you too
04:19:06 <tuanta> +1
04:19:13 <dramsey> Thank you all for attending
04:19:18 <tuanta> thanks
04:19:20 <dramsey> Should we end or other ideas?
04:19:26 <dramsey> Have a great day
04:19:29 <asmartgoat> anyone have anything to add?
04:19:37 <azneita> thanks david fo chairing
04:19:37 <dramsey> nothing here
04:19:41 <dramsey> Thank you all for attending
04:19:46 <dramsey> 8-)
04:19:48 <azneita> good day tuan
04:19:51 <dramsey> 5
04:19:53 <dramsey> 4
04:19:55 <asmartgoat> cya everyone
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04:20:00 <dramsey> 0.5
04:20:01 * asmartgoat ninjakicks
04:20:06 <dramsey> hahaha
04:20:09 <dramsey> 0
04:20:10 <dramsey> #endmeeting