03:09:09 <dramsey> #startmeeting Fedora Ambassadors Meeting Minutes 2010-10-17 - APAC 03:09:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Sun Oct 17 03:09:09 2010 UTC. The chair is dramsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:09:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 03:09:19 <azneita> hi luke, david 03:09:23 <dramsey> #chair dramsey 03:09:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dramsey 03:09:28 <dramsey> .fas dramsey 03:09:31 <asmartgoat> .fas asmartgoat 03:09:34 <azneita> .fas azneita 03:09:35 <dramsey> Hello azneita 03:09:37 <zodbot> dramsey: dramsey 'David Ramsey' <diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com> 03:09:41 <zodbot> asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:09:44 <asmartgoat> what 03:09:44 <zodbot> azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' <herson@azneita.org> 03:09:55 <asmartgoat> oh well 03:09:58 <tuanta> 'asmartgoat' Not Found! :) 03:10:02 <dramsey> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2010-10-17#Agenda 03:10:13 * asmartgoat thinks he exists 03:10:15 <dramsey> try .fas asmartgoat 03:10:21 <dramsey> .fas asmartgoat 03:10:21 <zodbot> dramsey: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:10:22 <asmartgoat> .fas asmartgoat 03:10:25 <zodbot> asmartgoat: 'asmartgoat' Not Found! 03:10:41 <dramsey> Oh well... 03:10:43 <asmartgoat> dont worry 03:11:02 <dramsey> Welcome to APAC!!! 03:11:10 <azneita> it's probably something with his group memberships 03:11:18 <dramsey> true 03:11:20 <azneita> it's ok 03:11:26 <asmartgoat> :) 03:11:26 <dramsey> I am David from Tokyo and I use both Fedora 13 with DVD and USB. 03:11:58 <dramsey> I think our ideas for needs like Fedora 14 as well as budget ideas to give for APAC will be useful today. 03:12:01 <tuanta> I am Tuan from Vietnam 03:12:10 <asmartgoat> I am Luke from Melbourne australia I use fedora 13 from a CD, and i'm currently getting mentored by azneita 03:12:16 <tuanta> just upgraded to F14 Beta 03:12:27 <dramsey> #topic Ambassadors Members Pinging 03:12:29 <azneita> herson from the philippines and i'm luke's old mentor 03:12:43 <dramsey> Cool!!! 03:12:51 <azneita> hehe 03:13:01 <azneita> he's joining us today to learn the ropes 03:13:08 <dramsey> Great! 03:13:13 <tuanta> cool 03:13:23 <asmartgoat> i've read some of the last few meetings so i know how it works. :) 03:13:44 <azneita> and he's doing his homework too :) good job luke 03:13:48 <dramsey> +1 03:13:53 <azneita> it makes my job easier :) 03:13:55 <asmartgoat> thanks 03:14:02 <dramsey> ;) 03:14:05 <dramsey> #topic News from FAmSCo (will skip this topic, if no FAmSCo information / representation is at meeting.) 03:14:30 <dramsey> I read some things from Max on budget, do we have needs for our upcoming events? 03:14:41 <dramsey> Swag... 03:14:46 <azneita> some for me 03:14:51 <dramsey> Go for it 03:15:33 <tuanta> I requested budget to fly to Ho Chi Minh city to hold the first Fedora 14 Release Party there 03:15:46 <azneita> we're working on an f14 release party and i need swag to give out to attendees 03:15:51 <dramsey> +1 03:15:54 <dramsey> +1 03:16:13 <dramsey> May be we discuss upcoming APAC events sound good? 03:16:22 <dramsey> #topic Report current status of upcoming APAC Fedora Events. Also, planning and preparation for future APAC Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 Release Events. 03:16:28 <asmartgoat> linux.conf.au 03:16:53 <dramsey> Also does everyone know that Harish has Fedora 13 Live Media with oo.o, virt, xournal, and a few more. for us? If we need ask Harish. 03:16:54 <azneita> are you working on that luke? 03:16:57 <asmartgoat> its january 2011 im not sure theres a member in brisbane 03:17:07 <asmartgoat> im too far away 03:17:08 <tuanta> I will download the ISO file to burn LiveCD myself 03:17:18 <dramsey> There are definitely some Red Hat engineers at Brisbane, too. 03:17:33 <azneita> that's true 03:17:53 <dramsey> #idea contact Red Hat engineers at Brisbane as idea. 03:18:10 <tuanta> +1 03:18:17 <dramsey> #link linux.conf.au 03:18:33 <asmartgoat> +1 03:18:58 <dramsey> Tuan, do you blank media? Azneita, DVD replicator? Asmartgoat, some swag, too? Other ideas? 03:19:21 <dramsey> I saw ideas on Fedora 14 posters and others. 03:19:48 <dramsey> .chair tuanta 03:19:55 <dramsey> .chair azneita 03:19:56 <tuanta> I can buy blank media in Vietnam 03:20:00 <dramsey> .chair asmartgoat 03:20:02 <azneita> i'm working on squeezing in some technical sessions for the release party 03:20:17 <asmartgoat> Well, im up in the air until the start of next year, when im hopefully moving to Adelaide. 03:20:18 <azneita> things like remixing, git, etc. 03:20:18 <tuanta> I requested budget for that 03:20:23 <dramsey> May be ask for budget for media, what do you think Tuan? 03:20:28 <dramsey> +1 Tuan! 03:20:38 <dramsey> +1 asmartgoat and azneita 03:21:02 <asmartgoat> fedora has no presence in adelaide, so i hope to make one 03:21:10 <dramsey> Do we have any other needs? Like labels or other SWAG with funds? 03:21:18 <dramsey> +1 adelaide representation 03:21:57 <asmartgoat> I've been researching and there are no installfests been held (soon) in Adelaide. So i hope to change that. :) 03:22:23 <asmartgoat> And only LUG's in the south, while i'll be in the north about a 2hr drive away. 03:22:32 <asmartgoat> from the nearest lug 03:22:33 <dramsey> Ask for support and budget, I think this is our chance to do. 03:22:54 <azneita> we'll put forward some requests david 03:23:06 <dramsey> +1 03:23:28 <azneita> are we working on a tight schedule for budget requests? 03:23:33 <dramsey> Other events, I am doing my biweekly Akibahara Fedora 13 03:23:33 <dramsey> #topic Plans on APAC that need coordination/organization for example, FreeMedia and/or other things needed. 03:23:39 <dramsey> True on tight schedule 03:23:53 <azneita> like how tight? end of oct? 03:23:55 <dramsey> I think is our chance to try. Also, prepare for Fedora 14 03:24:10 <tuanta> +1 03:24:22 <dramsey> I don't know but I am sure Susmit will review our logs and provide information. 03:24:34 <azneita> ah ok 03:24:44 <dramsey> #action APAC Budget Deadline, clarity for Fedora Ambassadors 03:26:06 <azneita> by the way david, i'll put forward a request for budget before the event so i'll have enough room to manouver 03:26:13 <dramsey> +1 03:26:29 <dramsey> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_release_events 03:27:13 <azneita> it will appear on the famsco trac within the week 03:27:15 <dramsey> azneita, I added your Fedora 14 event copied from the events content here. 03:27:19 <dramsey> Great!!! 03:27:59 <azneita> thanks david, i forgot about that 03:28:29 <dramsey> We help each here at APAC! I like everyone's ideas 03:28:39 <dramsey> Let us all make push for budget and swag requests 03:29:07 <asmartgoat> we need an event box. :D 03:29:32 <asmartgoat> for those big conferences and meetings 03:29:41 <azneita> i'm also thinking along the same line but it will be a per country thing 03:29:46 <tuanta> +1 David 03:29:52 <dramsey> #idea APAC Event Box! 03:29:54 <dramsey> :D 03:29:55 <azneita> we have a semblance of one for the philippines 03:30:03 <tuanta> +1 :) 03:30:12 <dramsey> 1 03:30:15 <dramsey> +1 03:30:18 <asmartgoat> +1 03:30:19 <azneita> with banners and stuff 03:30:30 <asmartgoat> i dont think im allowed to +1 my ideas. :P 03:30:31 <dramsey> Did someone get the Fedora Banners? 03:30:46 <tuanta> no :( 03:30:50 <dramsey> +1 for +2 03:30:51 <dramsey> :) 03:30:55 <azneita> we made some last year and just reused them 03:31:05 <tuanta> I also need some banners and panos for the next Release party 03:31:19 <tuanta> but I have not got any ideas now 03:31:35 <dramsey> Those are great ideas, Tuan! 03:31:45 <dramsey> Needs help make ideas. 03:31:46 <azneita> tuanta, your best bet is fedora design 03:31:56 <azneita> mizmo helped us with ours last year 03:32:06 <dramsey> May be labels, too? 03:32:39 <azneita> i loved the dice-look-alike thing with command line cheats 03:33:13 <tuanta> I found some designs for posters here: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#General_Purpose_Re-usable_Fedora_Poster_Designs 03:33:39 <asmartgoat> those are the Freedom, infinity, voice one 03:33:43 <asmartgoat> s* 03:33:44 <tuanta> but not for big pano: 0.5m x 3m 03:34:16 <tuanta> I need one to hang above the University gate 03:34:17 <dramsey> +1 03:34:23 <asmartgoat> hmm how about we ask the design team for some SVG's of freedom, friends, features first 03:34:33 <dramsey> Cool! 03:34:40 <asmartgoat> #idea ask the design team for poster designs for the 4 F's 03:34:57 <tuanta> this one is for 4F's: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Freedom1_2.png 03:34:59 <azneita> http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/album.php?entry=20091002124644&show=107.jpg 03:35:31 <asmartgoat> but one on each 03:35:58 <dramsey> These are great ideas and information! 03:36:21 <asmartgoat> so one saying First and under it it will say " fedora always strives to be first on the technology field. We lead, we dont follow etc.) 03:36:34 <asmartgoat> something like that 03:36:54 <dramsey> Ask and we will receive. 03:36:55 <tuanta> do you think I can request the Fedora design team for a 0.5x3m pano? 03:37:13 <azneita> you can open a ticket for one tuanta 03:37:19 <dramsey> True, ask. 03:37:25 <dramsey> Let us try 03:37:29 <tuanta> on what Trac? 03:38:01 <azneita> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ 03:38:30 <tuanta> great, thanks! 03:38:34 <dramsey> +1 03:38:48 <azneita> #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ 03:39:19 <dramsey> Also, remember our resources link, too 03:39:19 <dramsey> #idea Fedora Ambassadors APAC Request Tracker https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ This trac instance is here to help the Fedora Ambassadors from APAC make requests for resources they might need. 03:39:25 <tuanta> I will submit a ticket after the meeting :) 03:39:30 <dramsey> +1 03:40:28 <dramsey> Everyone, I use USB and DVD x86_64, do you need media, too? 03:41:21 <tuanta> David, do you install Fedora onto your hard disk? 03:41:26 <dramsey> Yup. 03:41:30 <tuanta> :) 03:41:37 <tuanta> why you still need USB? 03:41:37 <dramsey> I am like you, I have Fedora 14 Beta, too 03:41:42 <asmartgoat> i would like some for some friends. but im not allowed yet. :) 03:41:55 <dramsey> I do sort of update people's USB with Fedora 13 03:42:15 <tuanta> ah, understood 03:42:17 <dramsey> Future idea asmartgoat, now may be good/great time to plan. 03:42:42 <azneita> let's get you approved asap :) 03:42:48 <asmartgoat> :) 03:42:50 <dramsey> +1 03:43:10 <dramsey> Other ideas or next topic on action items? 03:44:12 <azneita> so our action items are the event box and posters 03:44:51 <azneita> what will be our strategy for event box... 03:45:13 <dramsey> Good question. 03:45:15 <asmartgoat> hmm 03:45:18 <dramsey> hmm 03:45:21 <azneita> my vote is for each country to accumulate the needed items 03:45:51 <dramsey> Use example from other countries like North America's as well as what we believe is useful 03:46:04 <azneita> yes 03:46:08 <asmartgoat> or to have 2 of everything in circulation and a tracking web-app that we can use to request it from others 03:46:19 <asmartgoat> more of a "cloud"-box 03:46:29 <azneita> i'm worried about the shipping fees 03:46:39 <azneita> between countries, i mean 03:46:47 <dramsey> True. 03:46:51 <tuanta> +1 03:46:56 <dramsey> +1 03:47:04 <asmartgoat> hmmm 03:47:07 <azneita> within the country, it's probably feasible 03:47:10 <dramsey> I think between our four countries many activities. 03:47:13 <dramsey> True 03:47:15 <dramsey> +1 03:47:38 <azneita> so let's say an event is being held in the philippines, we'll use ours 03:47:56 <azneita> if i go to vietnam, we'll use tuan's 03:47:58 <dramsey> #action Inquire on event box for Australia, Philipines and Vietnam. 03:47:59 <asmartgoat> ship the small expensive things beetween countrys but the rest should be made one for each country? 03:48:33 <asmartgoat> say if apac get an XO, that wouldnt cost too much to ship around for big events 03:48:39 <dramsey> I remember some things not easy to ship to Tuan's country like media 03:48:52 <asmartgoat> hmmm 03:49:11 <tuanta> it's easy to bring here by hand 03:49:22 <asmartgoat> fund a DVD printer thing for tuanta? 03:49:22 <tuanta> it's great if someone can go here 03:49:23 <dramsey> These are great ideas. 03:49:39 <dramsey> replicator? 03:49:57 <asmartgoat> just a printer that can print on DVD's 03:50:02 <azneita> let's just get multiple XOs :) 03:50:07 <dramsey> +1 03:50:14 <dramsey> What is XO? 03:50:17 <dramsey> I remember a request for azneita on such a DVD replicator, may be Tuan, too? 03:50:18 <tuanta> :) 03:50:18 <asmartgoat> +1 to XO's 03:50:26 <asmartgoat> OLPC 03:50:35 <dramsey> Ah! 03:50:37 <dramsey> Got it! 03:50:43 <asmartgoat> :) 03:50:53 <azneita> i remember when harish shipped some liveCDs to me 03:51:08 <azneita> he paid $1 for every livecd for shipping 03:51:15 <dramsey> There is that updated Sugar Spin coming out in Fedora 14 as well as other good stuff. 03:51:17 <azneita> that's $100 03:51:22 <dramsey> Ah! 03:51:28 <asmartgoat> thats quite a bit 03:51:36 <dramsey> Adds up... 03:51:43 <azneita> 100 media 03:51:58 <azneita> so that's why i'm worried about shipping 03:52:07 <tuanta> +1 03:52:10 <dramsey> +1 03:52:22 <asmartgoat> see $100 (i believe we are talking about usd) can be used to buy a printer for CD's. so how about we do media creation as localy as possible. 03:52:26 <dramsey> Give you guys the tools to make your own? 03:52:31 <asmartgoat> yes 03:52:38 <dramsey> +1 03:52:50 <tuanta> +1 03:52:53 <azneita> true 03:52:58 <tuanta> that's cool 03:53:19 <dramsey> These are very true ideas. 03:53:23 <asmartgoat> it costs me 60c to ship a cd/dvd tho 03:53:30 <asmartgoat> around australia 03:53:50 <asmartgoat> aud and usd are the same at the moment, so i dont have to specify. 03:54:01 <azneita> we're an archipelago, so our costs are a little bit higher 03:54:31 <azneita> we ship at >$2 03:54:55 <dramsey> Wow! 03:55:14 <tuanta> =-O 03:55:25 <dramsey> :-$ 03:56:03 <azneita> depends on which group of islands you want is shipped 03:56:08 <dramsey> Ah... 03:56:27 <tuanta> understood 03:56:37 <asmartgoat> you could ship with you when your getting sponsored to go somewhere 03:56:44 <azneita> yes 03:56:53 <asmartgoat> stretch the budget 03:57:07 <tuanta> +1 03:58:05 <azneita> that's why planning is so important - you identify where you can stretch and where you pay up :) 03:58:14 <dramsey> Great! 03:58:45 <asmartgoat> so, any other ideas? 03:58:48 <dramsey> Let us try for ideas and support. 03:58:54 <dramsey> Should we try next topic review action items? 03:59:07 <dramsey> And/or open floor? 03:59:10 <dramsey> Good question. 03:59:47 * azneita thinks of something 04:00:01 <dramsey> Go for it 04:00:15 <azneita> luke can spearhead the events box campaign strategy for apac 04:00:34 <asmartgoat> im not in one place until next year tho. 04:00:46 <dramsey> +1 04:00:58 <azneita> just basic outline of a strategy and let's have the community have a go at it 04:01:09 <azneita> open source at its best 04:01:19 <asmartgoat> :) 04:01:42 <azneita> let's have it in the wiki 04:01:43 <asmartgoat> someone get an XO shipped to the APAC region for events 04:01:44 <dramsey> #idea basic outline of a strategy for event box campaign strategy for apac 04:01:54 <dramsey> +1 04:03:25 <azneita> then we'll refine the strategy along the way 04:03:33 <dramsey> Great plan! 04:04:14 * asmartgoat wants to ask a question 04:04:26 <azneita> you have the floor 04:04:47 <dramsey> Other ideas or next topic? 04:04:48 <asmartgoat> do we get funding to pay for the stuff or do we get reimbursed after we purchase whatever fedora-related goods 04:05:03 <azneita> i've personally done both already 04:05:12 <tuanta> me too 04:05:14 <azneita> i just have to ask 04:05:26 <dramsey> Good question. 04:05:41 <dramsey> +1 04:05:45 <tuanta> yes, we should submit a request before to get confirmation 04:06:42 <asmartgoat> hmm... 04:07:01 <asmartgoat> oh, never mind 04:07:57 <dramsey> I think reimbursed afterwards 04:08:13 <dramsey> Ask for need, I think is best 04:08:24 <azneita> you have to build up on reimbursement first before asking for pre-payment 04:08:36 <azneita> and always present receipts 04:08:43 <tuanta> yes 04:08:45 <dramsey> yes 04:08:50 <azneita> and a detailed justification for the expense 04:08:51 <asmartgoat> ah alright 04:08:57 <azneita> something like that 04:09:15 <asmartgoat> its just because of my age, it makes it harder to get monies 04:09:27 <azneita> 14 is old :) 04:09:32 <asmartgoat> but i have monies at the moment so its all good 04:09:33 <asmartgoat> :) 04:10:26 * azneita slaps forehead 04:10:26 <asmartgoat> is it open floor? 04:10:34 <dramsey> #topic Review last meeting for items - actions and ideas 04:10:38 <dramsey> #topic Open floor 04:10:56 <azneita> if you can't receive money through usual channels, paypal, bank 04:11:05 <dramsey> +1 04:11:07 <azneita> we'll try to ship materials to you 04:11:12 <dramsey> :) 04:11:28 <azneita> or have people down under help you 04:11:33 <asmartgoat> :) 04:12:02 <azneita> did i get your concern? 04:12:50 <asmartgoat> Ok, now there is a store in adelaide called "sailsbury linux computers" (self explanatory) i wonder if its possible to get them to switch to recommending fedora. 04:13:20 <dramsey> Envision Fedora...Picture Fedora 04:13:29 <asmartgoat> i only know their address and phone number, so i'll have to wait until im in adelaide for that so 04:13:31 <dramsey> Share the idea and plant the seed of idea... 04:13:38 <azneita> depends on you're sweet talk :) 04:13:43 <dramsey> hahaha 04:13:48 <dramsey> O:-) 04:13:53 <asmartgoat> #idea talk to "sailsbury linux computers" about fedora. and their recommendations. xD 04:14:34 <azneita> i'm thinking of not "switching" but presnting an alternative 04:15:02 <asmartgoat> #link http://www.yellowpages.com.au/sa/salisbury/salisbury-linux-computers-12685976-listing.html 04:15:09 <tuanta> :) 04:15:33 <asmartgoat> i spelt it wrong 04:15:53 <dramsey> may be a letter to 14 Ann St 04:15:54 <dramsey> SALISBURY 04:15:54 <dramsey> SA, 5108 ADELAIDE 04:16:17 <asmartgoat> alright 04:17:13 <asmartgoat> +1 04:17:16 <asmartgoat> i'll do the letter 04:17:18 <asmartgoat> #action Write a letter to "14 Ann St Salisbury SA 5108 Adelaide" talking about fedora 04:18:06 <asmartgoat> any one else have any ideas? 04:18:32 <dramsey> Best to you all for your Fedora Events. Remember Fedora 14 for November and future as well as Fedora 13 now. 04:18:33 <dramsey> :) 04:18:58 <asmartgoat> you too 04:19:06 <tuanta> +1 04:19:13 <dramsey> Thank you all for attending 04:19:18 <tuanta> thanks 04:19:20 <dramsey> Should we end or other ideas? 04:19:26 <dramsey> Have a great day 04:19:29 <asmartgoat> anyone have anything to add? 04:19:37 <azneita> thanks david fo chairing 04:19:37 <dramsey> nothing here 04:19:41 <dramsey> Thank you all for attending 04:19:46 <dramsey> 8-) 04:19:48 <azneita> good day tuan 04:19:51 <dramsey> 5 04:19:53 <dramsey> 4 04:19:55 <asmartgoat> cya everyone 04:19:55 <dramsey> 3 04:19:57 <dramsey> 2 04:19:58 <dramsey> 1 04:20:00 <dramsey> 0.5 04:20:01 * asmartgoat ninjakicks 04:20:06 <dramsey> hahaha 04:20:09 <dramsey> 0 04:20:10 <dramsey> #endmeeting