21:00:24 <rbergeron> #startmeeting Fedora Cloud
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21:00:31 <rbergeron> #meetingname Cloud SIG
21:00:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'cloud_sig'
21:00:39 <rbergeron> #topic Roll Call!
21:00:41 <rbergeron> Hey folks.
21:00:46 <gholms> wheee
21:00:47 <rbergeron> Cloud meetin' time. Yee-haw!
21:00:47 * mmcgrath here
21:01:13 * jgreguske here
21:01:18 <rbergeron> hey mmcgrath. how goes it?
21:01:28 <smooge> here
21:01:33 <rbergeron> #chair gholms jforbes
21:01:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron
21:01:58 * rbergeron waits a moment for others to arrive
21:02:15 <gholms> No sign of brianlamere so far.  :(
21:03:12 <rbergeron> indeed
21:03:30 <rbergeron> alrighty. Moving on then
21:03:34 <gholms> Shall we just get started?  I'm not sure what's going on today.
21:03:41 <rbergeron> gholms: yup.
21:03:47 <rbergeron> #topic Agenda
21:03:49 <rrix> hmm, I'm ignoring in this channel
21:03:53 <rrix> I'm here until Math gets out
21:04:03 * mdomsch 
21:04:42 <rbergeron> Just have a few things - Ryan is going to talk at us a bit about some deltacloud packaging things, since he's my hero, and then we'll get to the EC2 stuff, and if anyone else has cloud-things they'd like to discuss, feel free to pipe up now and I'll add that to the agenda.
21:04:58 <gholms> Bring it!
21:04:58 * rbergeron thanks rrix for taking time from math class to come today :)
21:05:17 <rbergeron> #topic deltacloud packaging
21:05:20 <rbergeron> #chair rrix
21:05:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: gholms jforbes rbergeron rrix
21:05:33 <rbergeron> #link http://deltacloud.org/page/Packaging_list#Things_that_still_need_packaging_for_fedora
21:05:42 <rbergeron> rrix: feel free to type away :)
21:05:59 <rrix> I'z a hero!
21:06:03 <rrix> Queso
21:06:11 * rrix finds the windo
21:06:35 <rrix> #link http://deltacloud.org/page/Packaging_list
21:06:50 <rrix> ohmai, tons more in progress since hte last time I refreshed that
21:07:01 <rrix> So, I have some work to do
21:07:15 <rrix> I'm not sure, but some of the deltacloud folks need to get sponsored to get their packages accepted
21:07:19 <rrix> for example:
21:07:21 <rrix> #link http://deltacloud.org/page/Packaging_list
21:07:26 <rrix> Fail, what the heck
21:07:27 <rrix> #undo
21:07:27 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x2b5232dff490>
21:07:28 <rbergeron> try again :)
21:07:34 <rrix> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641957
21:07:45 * gholms hopes meetbot consolidates dupes
21:07:47 <rrix> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641962
21:08:21 <rrix> #info Jozef needs a sponsor, if anyone in the Cloud SIG wants to mentor him, he could get approved a lot quicker than endlessly grepping the devel list for one
21:08:43 <rrix> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=641295
21:08:48 <rrix> #info this one is in progress, already
21:09:01 <rrix> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639615
21:09:04 <gholms> Anyone here a sponsor?
21:09:16 <rrix> And I"m waiting for Michal on this one, otherwise it's ready to be approved
21:09:28 <rrix> I'll go through the new ones tonight, probably
21:09:41 * mmcgrath is not a package sponsor or he'd help out :)
21:10:11 * rrix asks Zodbot for a list of people to torture for sponsorship ;)
21:10:24 <rrix> Poor thing is lagging though
21:10:26 <rbergeron> rrix: do you think it'd be easier for us to relay some of this to the Cloud SIG if we had a easy hit-list of things we could work on each week as far as packaging stuff?
21:10:41 <rbergeron> say, on the cloud-sig wiki?
21:10:50 <gholms> rrix: Many of these people need to do several informal reviews of others' package requests before they are likely to get sponsorship.
21:10:54 <rbergeron> Or is that too redundant with what they've got going on - it just seems like a big list
21:10:55 <rrix> Basically a list of low hanging fruit?
21:11:03 <rbergeron> rrix: ugotit
21:11:05 <rrix> gholms: true
21:11:27 <rrix> gholms: I'm not saying that they shouldn't, just that a Cloud SIG member is more likely to keep them on the trap towards becoming a member ;)
21:11:29 <gholms> After they do that then try asking on the packaging list.  Review swaps are common these days.
21:11:36 <gholms> Of course.
21:11:46 <rbergeron> gholms: have any suggestions for how we can help move them along?
21:11:58 <rrix> Okay, poor zoddy seems to have rolled over and died, he won't tell me who're sponsors in the FPC
21:12:05 <gholms> Anyone here know much about deltacloud?
21:12:17 <smooge> not i
21:12:24 * rbergeron looks at mmcgrath and wonders?
21:12:37 <rrix> It's a mysterryyyyryryr ooooh
21:12:38 <rrix> :)
21:12:45 <mmcgrath> .ping
21:12:45 <zodbot> pong
21:12:53 <mmcgrath> seems ok
21:12:57 <mmcgrath> .sponsors packagers
21:12:58 <zodbot> mmcgrath: Sponsors for packagers:
21:13:10 <rrix> From the website: an API that abstracts the differences between clouds
21:13:12 <mmcgrath> I wonder if it's a huge list
21:13:18 <rrix> mmcgrath: that's as far as he got in Query :(
21:13:31 <rrix> It could be a bit list
21:13:36 <rrix> big**..
21:14:17 <lutter> rbergeron: here now
21:14:21 <rbergeron> hey lutter.
21:14:40 <rbergeron> could you maybe give the cloud sig a quick overview of deltacloud, since we'er trying to find packagers, and maybe answer any q's that are quick? :)
21:15:00 <rrix> Oooh, a Deltaclouder in the house?
21:15:06 <lutter> first question: which deltacloud ? ;)
21:15:19 <lutter> we've caused a bit of naming confusion about that with name changes etc.
21:15:34 <lutter> there's two things that were historically deltacloud: the API and the aggregator
21:15:46 <lutter> the API has moved to Apache and is now known as 'Apache Deltacloud'
21:16:09 <lutter> the aggregator is still at http://deltacloud.org/
21:16:50 <lutter> the Deltacloud API is an effort to build a cross-cloud API that you can use to talk to EC2, Rackspace, GoGrid, ... using the same API
21:17:23 <lutter> it's a REST-based web service that lets you do basic IaaS management stuff (start/stop instances, deal with attendant objects like images etc.)
21:17:31 <gholms> Ah, a "lowest common denominator" solution.  Interesting...
21:17:41 <lutter> the aggregator is a web application that lets you 'remix' your cloud resources
21:17:42 <rbergeron> So - the things that are listed on http://deltacloud.org/page/Packaging_list
21:17:45 <lutter> gholms: no, not lcd
21:17:52 <rbergeron> are related to teh aggregator, or both?
21:18:01 <rbergeron> aggregator and API
21:18:14 <gholms> Then a "implement as much of the API as you can" solution?
21:18:34 <lutter> gholms: yeah, sounds better
21:18:48 <lutter> rbergeron: both
21:19:08 <lutter> if anybody is interested in helping out, best course of action would be to send a mail to deltacloud-devel@fedorahosted.org
21:19:11 <rbergeron> lutter: gotcha
21:19:33 <lutter> https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/deltacloud-devel
21:19:56 <rbergeron> lutter: so we're trying to get through the packaging stuff to help you guys out as we can - we see that there are some people doing packaging, and we're trying to poke things along there a bit so we can have it in fedora, since, you know, we're the cloud SIG and all. ;)
21:20:01 <lutter> if you want to know more about the API, you can find slides at http://people.redhat.com/dlutter/deltacloud/
21:20:07 <rbergeron> ah, cool.
21:20:35 <lutter> rbergeron: yeah, that will be much appreciated ... best thing is to send a mail to deltacloud-devel to make sure it gets coordinated
21:20:54 <rbergeron> rrix: you have time for doing that interaction maybe?
21:20:56 <lutter> I haven't looked at the packaging stuff in a while, so I am not sure how current the packaging page is
21:20:58 <rbergeron> coordination?
21:21:15 <gholms> As far as packaging goes I would do some reviews and then seek out sponsor(s) on the devel list.  There are 96 of them, so hopefully at least one can help.
21:21:16 <rrix> rbergeron: I think so :)
21:21:17 <rbergeron> lutter: it seems liek it's been fairly active / changing daily for the past week or two or three.
21:21:27 <lutter> rbergeron: exactly ;)
21:21:33 <rrix> rbergeron: can you #action me on that?
21:21:38 <rrix> so I don't forget? :)
21:21:52 <rbergeron> #action rrix coordinate with deltacloud-devel list on packaging details
21:22:02 <lutter> there's also a talk that yours truly gave at linuxcon that was videotaped, but I am not sure whether that video is freely available (haven't found it yet)
21:22:25 <rbergeron> lutter: and what do we have to do to convince you to go come to FUDCon to talk about it? :)
21:22:44 <gholms> rbergeron: You convinced me to go by paying for it.  :)
21:23:02 <rbergeron> gholms: *grin*
21:23:51 <rbergeron> wow, that was a terrible sentence... to go come to... yow
21:23:56 * rbergeron beats herself with the grammar stick
21:24:04 <rbergeron> okay. anything else on deltacloud? :) anyone
21:24:25 <gholms> Go to the devel list.  There are some helpful people there.
21:24:25 <rrix> EOF
21:24:32 <lutter> rbergeron: mostly convince my manager to pay for the trip ;)
21:24:44 <rbergeron> alrighty. lutter: thanks for popping in on short notice :)
21:24:59 <rrix> lutter: "the weather is beautiful this time of year"
21:24:59 <rbergeron> lutter: i will catch up with you on that detail in email ;)
21:25:01 <rrix> :)
21:25:02 <lutter> rbergeron: anytime
21:25:26 <rbergeron> okay. moving onwards!
21:25:33 <rbergeron> #topic EC2 status
21:25:35 * gholms was in PHX on Tuesday; rather enjoyed the weather
21:25:39 * rbergeron pokes around for jforbes
21:26:32 <rbergeron> gholms: WOT, and you didn't even call... *cry* :)
21:26:32 <rbergeron> okay. i see no jforbes
21:26:44 <rbergeron> and I missed last week's meeting on account of being at a conference - gholms, can you fill us in or know anything new?
21:27:04 <gholms> Sorry, I was only there for an hour while I waited for my connecting flight...
21:27:09 * gholms pulls up the meeting minutes
21:27:16 <rbergeron> gholms: ah
21:27:31 <gholms> And I don't know where anyone is anyway.  ;)
21:27:36 * rbergeron notes that she added all the meeting minutes she hadn't been keeping up with to our page
21:27:56 <gholms> Without jforbes I guess we can't do any image-related stuff just yet.
21:28:15 <gholms> As far as the mirroring stuff goes I did my part:
21:28:17 <gholms> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gholms/EC2_Mirror_Proposal#Client_Access
21:28:22 <gholms> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643185
21:28:24 <gholms> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=643186
21:28:54 <gholms> Everything else basically fell on brianlamere's shoulders.  But he isn't here.  :-\
21:28:58 <rbergeron> ahhh.
21:29:22 <rbergeron> gholms: would you like to take the action item to send some on list email to brianlamere and jforbes to figure out status?
21:29:32 * rbergeron notes we're just a few weeks out from release date
21:29:54 <gholms> FYI:  There is no way we're going to get the mirror system up and running by release.
21:30:18 <gholms> But that isn't as important.
21:31:26 <gholms> rbergeron: I'm inundated with work right now, but I could try if no one else is able to ask them.
21:31:41 <mmcgrath> <nod> I think mdomsch was fine with that since getting a MM release out so quick would be problematic :)
21:32:02 <gholms> That code is largely untested, unfortunately.
21:32:10 <rbergeron> gholms: understood
21:32:52 <rbergeron> #action rbergeron to check last week's action items and catch up on list with jforbes and brianlamere on status
21:32:59 <gholms> rbergeron: Thanks
21:33:15 <gholms> jforbes: ping
21:33:25 * rbergeron grins
21:34:10 <rbergeron> he seems pretty AFK
21:34:25 <gholms> "Open floor (redux)", then?
21:34:30 <rbergeron> indeed.
21:34:36 <smooge> floor open
21:34:38 <rbergeron> #topic Open Floor
21:34:42 <gholms> floor.open()
21:35:00 <rbergeron> Any other business, folks?
21:35:40 <gholms> The burritos in Santa Barbara taste better than the burritos in Minneapolis.
21:35:48 <gholms> EOF
21:35:57 * rbergeron will hold the floor open for a minute or two in case jforbes or brianlamere come back or gholms has any other food reviews :)
21:36:18 <gholms> PHX's water tastes funny?  I dunno.
21:37:11 <rbergeron> yes, it does.
21:37:14 <rrix> a little bit :)
21:37:31 <gholms> *sigh*  Looks like they won't be around soon.
21:37:39 <anthro-diana> wasn't so bad last time I was there
21:37:50 <anthro-diana> but that was 5 years ago :)
21:37:57 <gholms> It wasn't very good on Tuesday, that's for sure.  :-\
21:38:11 <rbergeron> it's pretty bad if unfiltered.
21:38:23 <rbergeron> okay, folks, it looks like that's all for today.
21:38:25 <gholms> Hehe
21:38:27 <rbergeron> Thanks for coming, all :)
21:38:49 <rbergeron> #endmeeting