05:01:07 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:07 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 16 05:01:07 2010 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:01:15 <juhp> #meetingname i18n
05:01:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
05:01:57 <juhp> welcome to this week's i18n meeting
05:03:33 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-09-16
05:05:21 <epico_laptop> hi
05:05:27 <dueno> hi
05:05:34 <juhp> hi guys
05:05:49 <fujiwarat> hi
05:06:15 <jni> hi
05:06:55 <pravins> hi
05:06:57 <paragan> hi
05:07:21 <juhp> #topic F14
05:07:35 <juhp> F14 should be frozen now for Beta
05:08:01 <juhp> though it has a few err problems I think currently...
05:08:22 <juhp> next devel milestone is 2010-10-18 Final Change Deadline
05:08:54 <juhp> fujiwarat: do we need some relnotes about newer xkb support in ibus?
05:09:55 <fujiwarat> juhp: I'd like to add that topic in relnotes.
05:10:08 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok yes please
05:10:21 <fujiwarat> thx
05:10:25 <juhp> I can help with editing if that's useful
05:11:10 <fujiwarat> My understanding is you mean Documentation_I18N_Beat.
05:11:16 <juhp> yes
05:11:21 <fujiwarat> ok
05:11:56 <juhp> is there anything more we should document in the relnotes?
05:12:05 <juhp> like fonts or other IME updates?
05:12:32 <juhp> dueno: perhaps we could mention about surrounding-text too when it has all landed?
05:13:27 * juhp feels like there is more to write in the relnotes but can't think of what else missing
05:13:53 <epico_laptop> lua extension for ibus-pinyin?
05:14:02 <juhp> epico_laptop: ah yes
05:14:19 * epico_laptop will add it later.
05:14:23 <juhp> pravins: is it too early to mention Rupee sign?
05:14:36 <juhp> in Lohit I mean
05:14:42 <pravins> juhp: yeah
05:14:46 <juhp> if it is in F14
05:15:08 <juhp> anyway please all think if there is any more more to add
05:15:18 <pravins> october Unicode 6.0 will come, with rupee symbol i think
05:15:40 <juhp> pravins: so it is not in Lohit packages yet?
05:15:49 <juhp> ah still PUA
05:15:53 <juhp> ok yeah
05:16:08 <pravins> juhp: i have used U+20B9 code
05:16:14 <juhp> ah ok
05:16:19 <pravins> that code is finalized and approved by unicode
05:16:24 <juhp> right
05:16:28 <pravins> i have to some work in lohit upstream
05:16:35 <juhp> so it is in F14 already, right?
05:16:42 <pravins> not built yet
05:16:45 <juhp> ok
05:16:51 <juhp> fine
05:17:07 <juhp> #topic Test_Day:2010-09-16_AnacondaTranslationKeyboard
05:17:10 <pravins> October 2 Week i will start lohit upstream work
05:17:16 <juhp> ok
05:17:46 <juhp> today is the QA Test Day for Anaconda Translation and Keyboard support
05:18:11 <juhp> it would be great if those of you with access to non-US keyboards would be able to help test
05:18:34 * juhp brought his old jp laptop to try the testcases on
05:18:43 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-16_AnacondaTranslationKeyboard
05:19:06 <juhp> we might have some fr kbds here too
05:19:31 <juhp> dueno: is it possible to test kr kbd briefly? :)
05:19:48 <dueno> juhp: aha, I'll try
05:19:51 <juhp> anyone else have any interesting kbds?
05:19:53 <juhp> dueno: thanks!
05:20:23 <juhp> fujiwarat: reminds me I would really like to drop Alt_R+release as a global ibus hotkey
05:21:32 <fujiwarat> juhp: Do you mean f14 beta?
05:21:57 <juhp> well not beta but just next builds say :)
05:22:11 <juhp> probably better I file an bug
05:22:42 <fujiwarat> I see. I didn't think it's for beta.
05:22:44 <juhp> I guess it is only there for Korean users though
05:23:52 <juhp> #topic zh comps
05:23:56 <juhp> I left splitting zh comps on the agenda but nothing really new there - still wondering a
05:24:25 <juhp> bit if dropping/duplicating other zh locales is ok
05:24:44 <juhp> anyway it can wait for f15 I suppose - so maybe we can push it back for now
05:26:28 <juhp> #topic bugs
05:26:37 <juhp> anyone have any bugs to discuss?
05:26:52 <juhp> input methods: 32 bugs (-3)
05:26:52 <juhp> fonts/rendering: 31 fonts (-1); 21 font (+1) bugs
05:26:52 <juhp> package reviews: 13 open (-1)
05:27:27 <Alam> juhp: bug #603576
05:27:58 <Alam> not able to type with ibus if gnome-shell working
05:28:05 <juhp> .bug 603576
05:28:07 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 603576 Can not type anything in gnome-shell - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=603576
05:28:19 <juhp> ah yeah
05:28:39 <juhp> I haven't heard any progress on that
05:29:31 <Alam> it forces me to switch back to gnome-desktop:-(
05:30:25 <dueno> juhp: Owen is now working on patches for it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621659
05:31:23 <juhp> great
05:31:45 <Alam> ah
05:31:49 <juhp> forget to see the upstream bug, thanks
05:32:52 <juhp> dueno: thanks for that and testing
05:36:30 <juhp> reminds has everyone had chance to test F14 in their language?
05:36:35 <juhp> I hope so
05:37:55 <juhp> if you haven't please be sure to test at least F14Beta
05:38:20 <juhp> a few open reviews
05:38:45 <juhp> nkumar: do you plan to split ibus-table-other into subpackages?
05:44:42 <juhp> anything more?
05:45:05 <juhp> I just took emacs-lookup...
05:45:41 <juhp> #topic agenda for future meetings
05:45:56 <dueno> juhp: thanks :)
05:46:00 <juhp> I'd like to keep this meeting more focused and interactive
05:47:09 <juhp> I am wondering if weekly meeting is too often though biweekly seems too seldom to me
05:48:05 <juhp> I think it would be better if we can gather more specific agenda topics in advance to discuss and have a shorter more focused meeting
05:49:09 <juhp> but that also needs more of you to be involved in bringing forward topics to discuss ahead of the meeting
05:49:35 <juhp> let's see if we can improve this meeting and make it more proactive - that is my wish anyway
05:49:58 <juhp> even if there was no agenda we could probably skip the meeting sometimes
05:50:30 <juhp> let me try to work with you to improve this meeting gradually going forward in this way
05:51:51 <juhp> #topic other topics or news
05:52:13 <juhp> before we close - any others topics, news or questions to discuss?
05:52:38 <fujiwarat> today gdm language sort was upstreamed.
05:52:51 <juhp> aha
05:52:57 <juhp> sounds good :)
05:53:16 <juhp> fujiwarat: do you think it will be in f14 btw?
05:53:54 <fujiwarat> Yes, probably I think so since GNOME is not released.
05:54:14 <juhp> fujiwarat: looking forward to test your latest ibus builds btw
05:54:17 <juhp> cool
05:54:32 <fujiwarat> thx.
05:54:53 <fujiwarat> Probably we still need to enhance the GUI.
05:55:16 <juhp> sure
05:56:15 <juhp> ah have we added input-pad and eekboard to comps btw?
05:56:59 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think it's good. Since ibus-input-pad's rank is 0, probably it's no problem.
05:57:57 <juhp> ok
05:57:59 <ritek> i18n bug: I remember that about 2 months ago i used amarok 2.3.1 or so and it wasn't any japanese translation available in the fedora package :(, I translated some of it but seems the package didn't have some langs... not sure if it is already working fine.
05:58:06 <ritek> hello, btw
05:59:06 <juhp> hi
05:59:49 <ritek> I would suggest to confirm the inclusion of the languages to be available in fedora updates
05:59:49 <fujiwarat> Hmm.., maybe the translation meeting is the different time frame :).
05:59:54 <juhp> ritek: I see - have you asked upstream?
06:00:17 <ritek> juhp, yep, both in #amarok and #fedora-kde
06:00:32 <juhp> and got an answer?
06:00:56 <juhp> ritek: well if you think it is a fedora bug then please file a bug :)
06:01:09 <ritek> it seemed to be all fine but the bug stayed until another update (about 1 month after the bug)
06:01:47 <juhp> any other topics before we close?
06:02:10 <ritek> right now seems to be ok, but as I said, someone should confirm that all the corresponding langs are packaged on updates (at leas regarding i18n)
06:02:22 <juhp> ritek: sorry dunno I suggest to check which upstream release it is in and if it should be in fedora to check with the KDE SIG and/or file a bug
06:02:46 <juhp> ritek: is it in kde-i18n?
06:02:57 <juhp> or kde-l10n rather?
06:03:08 <ritek> no, as far as i know.
06:03:15 <juhp> ritek: hmm that would be nice but currently there is no way we can do that
06:03:33 <juhp> ritek: ok so have you checked the things I suggested?
06:03:50 <juhp> it often takes time for translations to trickle down to releases
06:04:26 <juhp> ritek: thanks for asking anyway and yeah probably l10n would be better place to discuss this
06:04:32 <ritek> it was only a suggestion
06:04:55 <ritek> juhp, it isn't in kde-i18n nor kde-l10n
06:05:04 <juhp> ritek: thanks for the suggestion too - that is certainly something worth thinking about in long term
06:05:05 <ritek> and all seems to be working fine now
06:05:12 <juhp> oh
06:05:22 <juhp> so why are you asking?
06:05:40 <ritek> just reporting that issue, to you guys know
06:06:06 <juhp> I am not sure how Fedora l10n tracks upstream translations - that would be a good place to start.
06:06:24 <juhp> ritek: so you hoped for it to appear sooner in fedora? :)
06:06:35 <juhp> thanks everyone for the meeting!
06:06:38 <ritek> i'll ask there then if i notice that again :)
06:06:44 <juhp> #endmeeting