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01:00:26 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting
01:00:31 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting
01:00:38 <StabbyMc> Hi everyone it's time to stat the meeting.
01:00:48 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements
01:01:11 <StabbyMc> I've put announcements on the menu.  Any takers with announcements?
01:01:46 <rbergeron> If you haven't signed up to go to FUDCon NA, please do so! :)
01:01:57 <rbergeron> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Tempe_2011
01:01:58 <rbergeron> :)
01:02:11 <StabbyMc> Yea FUDCon!
01:02:23 <StabbyMc> Any more announcements?
01:02:50 <StabbyMc> Announcements.
01:02:52 <StabbyMc> 3
01:02:57 <StabbyMc> 2
01:03:02 <StabbyMc> 1
01:03:08 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events
01:03:18 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
01:03:30 <StabbyMc> is inode0 present?
01:04:30 <StabbyMc> Ok, in lieu of inode0 being here...
01:04:35 * inode0 is here!
01:04:37 <StabbyMc> Anyone have events that need something they're not getting.
01:05:06 <StabbyMc> in that case
01:05:08 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events - SXSW Interactive
01:05:11 * rbergeron notes that Ontario Linux Fest can be removed from the event calendar
01:05:15 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/SXSW_2011
01:05:18 <rbergeron> since it has been cancelled
01:05:30 <StabbyMc> inode0: I yeild the floor.
01:05:40 <inode0> Is mizmo around?
01:05:40 <StabbyMc> yield even
01:05:50 <inode0> no
01:06:04 <inode0> ok, so here is the proposed plan as I understand it
01:06:06 <StabbyMc> nope, I don't see mizmo.
01:06:53 <inode0> As you can see there is a healthy budget shaping up only part of which will come from us
01:07:16 <rbergeron> which part of it will come from us?
01:07:36 <inode0> well, it looks like things have changed a bit
01:07:48 <rbergeron> oh
01:08:08 <inode0> basically we will pay for mizmo and emily to attend although it now looks like one will get in free (from our budget perspective)
01:08:33 <inode0> spot will be handling the booth and travel for the others attending
01:09:05 <rbergeron> oh, spot will be paying for the booth?
01:09:24 <inode0> that is my understand and for his and jsmith's travel
01:09:41 <rbergeron> okay
01:09:51 <inode0> so it looks like the grand total for ambassadors will be in the $1500 neighborhood
01:10:08 <inode0> maybe a little more than that
01:10:42 <inode0> since this event isn't until next March we are going to be able to pay bits here and there
01:10:48 * rbergeron nods
01:10:51 <inode0> so it doesn't all hit us at once
01:11:05 * rbergeron is totally +1 on this
01:11:23 <inode0> right now (this month) we need to order one registration it appears for $450
01:11:33 * threethirty is +1 for whatever his +1 is worth
01:11:55 <StabbyMc> Well, looking at the budget, there's plenty of $$ left in the budget.
01:12:11 <StabbyMc> So anything we can pay now will be something that doesn't hit next year.
01:12:13 <rbergeron> we can purchase the $450 ticket through nov. 12, it says above
01:12:30 <rbergeron> yes, if we have leftover budget after fudcon we can load plane fare in there as well.
01:12:33 <inode0> so, hearing no objection I'll pass on to those involved to go ahead with getting the registration done early when it is cheapest
01:12:55 <rbergeron> the key thing to get is to get spot on the booth registration asap before that price goes up
01:13:21 <rbergeron> SOLD!
01:13:30 <inode0> that is spot's business from my perspective - he brought it up and was very enthusiastic about it
01:14:24 <rbergeron> one thing to note is that we might have to send them with quite a bit of media - we might make note of that somewhere to order a bit extra for that event, maybe ask spot how much he thinks he will need given that that trade show brings in like 10k people
01:14:32 <rbergeron> err, exhibitor hall
01:14:33 <inode0> okay, we'll forge ahead with this
01:15:03 <inode0> I thought the exhibit hall was new this year?
01:15:25 * lcafiero_ sneaks in the back door and sits down
01:15:26 <rbergeron> not from what i read, unless they worded it weird
01:15:29 * rbergeron will look into it
01:15:39 <mock> are we still talking about sxsw?
01:15:45 <inode0> but we'll work with spot about getting him whatever he needs much later ... since we can't plan swag that far in advance really
01:15:47 <StabbyMc> mock: yes.
01:15:50 <mock> ok
01:16:28 <rbergeron> inode0: they have pictures from last year's event... so I'd imagine it's not new
01:16:31 <rbergeron> 36k registrants
01:16:59 <inode0> yeah, but they aren't all going there - lots only go to pieces of the event
01:17:10 <inode0> 10K might though
01:17:11 * rbergeron nods
01:17:21 <rbergeron> yeah - even if like... 10% go - that's more than most of the shows we go to
01:17:29 <inode0> but we aren't going to have 10K of anything but maybe tattoos :)
01:17:38 * rbergeron grins
01:18:11 <inode0> ok, let's ping spot for details as they develop
01:18:20 <inode0> and move on
01:18:42 <StabbyMc> rbergeron: ack about Ontario Linux Fest.
01:18:56 <StabbyMc> Anyone else got events that need things that aren't getting things?
01:19:09 <threethirty> StabbyMc: Atlanta Linux Fest has been canceled also
01:19:20 <VileGent> damn
01:19:26 <StabbyMc> Yes, though they might be merging it with SELF next year.
01:19:36 <StabbyMc> Or becoming the new SELF location.
01:19:55 <threethirty> Oooo hadnt heard that...
01:20:22 <StabbyMc> Other Events news?
01:20:50 <StabbyMc> 3
01:20:52 <VileGent> Ohio Linuxfest is happening this weekend and it appears we have an all star crew
01:21:03 <VileGent> i got the Tshirts today
01:21:21 <VileGent> as far as i know we are a go
01:21:28 <rbergeron> i hope so, since my bag is packed :)
01:21:45 <VileGent> i will pack the car thursday nite
01:22:41 <rbergeron> who else is going, do we know?
01:22:41 <VileGent> next
01:22:48 <threethirty> i will be there
01:22:52 <rbergeron> YAY
01:22:59 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review
01:23:01 <VileGent> rbergeron,  you mel, david. paul, spot
01:23:05 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_budget
01:23:06 <VileGent> me, mock
01:23:33 <VileGent> i have a booth schedule on the wiki page
01:23:40 <StabbyMc> So I don't know that there's a lot of review for budget.
01:23:47 * mock waves
01:23:50 <StabbyMc> Right now the page indicates we're under budget, which is good.
01:23:57 <StabbyMc> kind of.
01:24:13 <inode0> there is quite a bit in the works
01:24:18 <StabbyMc> True.
01:24:23 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review - F14 Media Production
01:24:28 <StabbyMc> For example.
01:24:40 <StabbyMc> I don't know who owns this item on the agenda.
01:24:56 <inode0> herlo isn't here either so I'll just mention this as I promised I would do
01:25:22 <inode0> There was a discussion on f-a-b a short time back about the sort of media we produce
01:25:38 * rbergeron nods
01:25:49 <inode0> The gist of it is that we should consider producing double sided DVDs
01:26:13 <inode0> We have considered that in the past - but now appears to be a good time to reconsider doing it again
01:26:15 <StabbyMc> x86/x86_64 being the sides?
01:26:20 <inode0> yeah
01:26:44 <inode0> so you don't need to know which you want, or both, and we won't run out of the wrong one, etc.
01:27:18 <VileGent> if our vendor can do it
01:27:19 <inode0> they cost a little more to make - maybe herlo can investigate costs and report back?
01:27:21 <inode0> they can
01:27:27 <inode0> we priced it before
01:27:30 <StabbyMc> I'm interested.
01:27:48 <inode0> at least I am pretty sure we did
01:28:29 <inode0> the other thing related to this is that ambassadors who have been working shows should
01:28:37 * threethirty likes the dual sided idea
01:28:54 <dmaxel> +1
01:28:55 <inode0> help us understand what the community visiting our booths have been taking/asking for/etc.
01:29:06 * mock didn't know they made double sided dvds
01:29:26 * inode0 points mock at the opensuse media
01:29:29 <lcafiero_> OpenSUSE has them, or at least had them at one time
01:29:42 * lcafiero_ doesn't type as fast as inode0
01:29:42 * rbergeron nods
01:30:01 <StabbyMc> who the heck is lcafiero_ ? ;-)
01:30:09 <inode0> so let's give herlo as much info as we can about demand
01:30:14 <lcafiero_> heck if I know.
01:30:22 <lcafiero_> the other guy's still at the farmers market
01:30:24 <inode0> and our feelings about going double sided
01:30:34 <StabbyMc> oh, hey lcafiero, didn't recognize you with the _.
01:30:48 <inode0> that's all I really have on this item
01:30:51 <VileGent> inode0,  if we can afford it we can try it
01:31:49 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review - Windows Key Stickers
01:31:57 <dmaxel> ooh!
01:32:03 <lcafiero_> rats
01:32:06 <VileGent> f14 we dont have as many of events
01:32:16 * lcafiero_ had more to say about media. will wait until another time
01:32:29 <inode0> please go ahead
01:32:31 <VileGent> lcafiero_,  say it now
01:33:00 <dramsey> true on f14
01:33:03 <lcafiero_> well, regarding the breakdown of media, livecd vs dvd, I tend to end up with a lot of dvds left over
01:33:05 <StabbyMc> I thought we were done with this topic, but go ahead and finish the discussion.
01:33:11 <lcafiero_> and run out of livecds
01:33:35 <lcafiero_> so for another meeting I'll agendize a discussion of the breakdown of livecds to dvds.
01:33:38 <lcafiero_> that's it.
01:33:53 <dmaxel> +1
01:33:56 <dramsey> +1
01:34:01 <inode0> better make it the next meeting and invite herlo :)
01:34:01 * lcafiero_ yields to window key stickers
01:34:05 <lcafiero_> OK
01:34:11 <VileGent> well lcafiero_  you also have more live events you do ( farmers market)
01:34:13 <lcafiero_> I can also bring it up on the mailing list
01:34:26 <lcafiero_> some, yeah.
01:35:41 <lcafiero_> sorry to sidetrack, StabbyMc
01:35:54 <StabbyMc> No worries, my bad for advancing th emeeting too quickly.
01:36:06 <StabbyMc> VileGent: you want the floor?
01:37:21 <VileGent> not really
01:37:38 <StabbyMc> Ok, so the topic kind of says it all.
01:37:43 <inode0> so we are just being teased
01:37:55 <StabbyMc> I need a little bit of design love from mizmo, but then I'll get to ordering a small run.
01:38:19 <lcafiero_> I like the idea.
01:38:34 <StabbyMc> small run means that they won't be as cheap as we may want them, but if we like them, it'll be easy to order more.
01:38:54 <inode0> in terms of numbers what does small mean?
01:39:06 <inode0> hundreds or thousands?
01:39:08 <StabbyMc> 250 sheets of 8 stickers each.
01:39:23 <StabbyMc> That's what I'm planning.
01:40:18 <StabbyMc> 250 is the smallest quantity that we can order, I thought 8 stickers per sheet would be a good size for cutting.
01:41:09 <inode0> with good spacing tearing even
01:41:30 <StabbyMc> They're going to be vynl so probably not tearable.
01:41:53 <inode0> oh
01:42:20 <nb> oh we have meeting?
01:42:22 * nb is here
01:42:43 <StabbyMc> In other news, I'm working on getting a black shirt like the white one that is currently available.
01:43:07 <StabbyMc> But that's all I have on my plate right now.
01:44:19 <StabbyMc> VileGent: anything to add?
01:44:24 <VileGent> nope
01:44:52 <VileGent> roughly 2000 itty bitty stickers
01:45:11 <VileGent> how is everyone else doing on swag
01:45:22 <rhl> sorry I'm late :
01:45:23 * inode0 has no balloons
01:45:30 <inode0> :)
01:45:39 <lcafiero_> A little low on livecds and shirts, but OK on everything else, including balloons.
01:45:55 <dmaxel> considering i go to school, pens would probably be helpful for me (and no ballons...never knew we had any? lol)
01:45:57 <lcafiero_> but I have nothing coming up until f14
01:45:58 <VileGent> lcafiero_,  you should be getting a load of shirts soon
01:45:59 <rhl> I am alright on 32bit live cd's
01:46:03 <dmaxel> probably don't need balloons though
01:46:09 <rhl> I have nothing else
01:46:34 * threethirty has a ticket in... i have no f13 discsor case badges at all
01:46:35 <rhl> do we have any posters?
01:46:35 <VileGent> well i am asking the distrobution points like lcafiero_ and nb
01:46:54 <rhl> I could put one up in my new office (since i'm the campus ambassador)
01:47:03 <VileGent> rhl nope
01:47:03 <rhl> oh, sorry, hehe
01:47:04 <dmaxel> same here
01:47:07 <dmaxel> haha
01:47:08 <StabbyMc> Ok, since we've moved, on, changing the subject...
01:47:14 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinshed Business/Open Floor
01:48:05 <dmaxel> i actually have something
01:48:11 <nb> i think im pretty good on everything except laptop stickers
01:48:16 <dmaxel> not exactly ambassador related, but at least pertaining to fedora
01:48:52 <nb> threethirty, oh, i need to ship yours
01:48:55 <nb> i think it was assigned to me
01:49:01 <nb> but i think you were the one that didn't put an address
01:49:02 <nb> let me see
01:49:39 <dmaxel> i could just keep my thing to the mailing list, since it's not urgent or anything
01:49:52 <inode0> or you could just say it :)
01:49:59 <dmaxel> works too haha
01:50:10 <rhl> i moved to new hampshire, am really confused in generally (ahem inode0), and am the campus ambassador there now.
01:50:27 <nb> threethirty, yeah, we need your address
01:50:46 <StabbyMc> rhl: we don't have any posters that I know of.
01:50:55 <VileGent> after Ohio Linuxfest my supplies are pretty much gone
01:51:02 <dmaxel> well, i've been pretty interested lately in the OMG!Ubuntu! site because it's pretty nice to go to (i bet a few of you have been there before too at one point). Well, to keep it short, since they also have a sister site OMG!SUSE!, I wanted to start an OMG!Fedora! kinda thing, and wanted to ask if anyone wanted to help with that.
01:51:09 <rhl> StabbyMc, in that they don't exist, or they aren't in stock?
01:51:21 * inode0 never heard of it
01:51:23 <StabbyMc> rhl: as far as I kno, don't exist.
01:52:25 <dmaxel> inode0: it's a pretty nice site that has constant updates about Ubuntu and other apps, etc. Since they also have one for SUSE, why should Fedora not be involved like that?
01:52:34 <inode0> rhl: we have some poster graphics that you can print, but don't have posters made
01:52:53 <rhl> Ah, I see, where do they exist at?
01:53:04 <inode0> dmaxel: I know nothing about it so I can't really answer questions
01:53:50 <rhl> dmaxel, site seems like fedoraplanet
01:54:00 <StabbyMc> Ok, it's about that time, lets wrap up.
01:54:05 <rhl> (but for ubuntu)
01:54:15 <lcafiero_> dmaxel -- why don't you ask on the mailing list to a wider audience, I bet you'll probably get some folks willing to help. But your mentor will encourage you to work on projects to promote fedora that you feel comfortable doing.
01:54:40 <lcafiero_> it's more than fedoraplanet, rhl. But it's kind of hard to describe.
01:55:01 <rhl> yeah, true, i'm understating things.
01:55:01 <dramsey> +1
01:55:02 <StabbyMc> Ok folks, that's meeting.
01:55:06 * inode0 points dmaxel in the direction of mizmo to discuss that site
01:55:13 <lcafiero_> +1
01:55:18 <lcafiero_> to inode0
01:55:23 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting