20:59:09 <brunowolff> #startmeeting
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20:59:21 <brunowolff> #meetingname spins-sig
20:59:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'spins-sig'
20:59:30 <brunowolff> #chair brunowolff nirik
20:59:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: brunowolff nirik
20:59:40 <nirik> morning.
20:59:41 * jsmith lurks
20:59:45 <brunowolff> #topic Who's here?
21:00:49 <brunowolff> #topic Spins status
21:00:58 <brunowolff> Today's meeting will probably be short.
21:01:22 <brunowolff> I don't have stuff ready for review, so the main topic is spins status for the alpha.
21:01:38 <nirik> I think alpha is ok... post alpha many of the spins are not composing. ;(
21:01:42 <brunowolff> Currently nautilus-sendto is blocking rebuilds of most of the spins.
21:01:42 <nirik> broken deps.
21:02:05 <brunowolff> Except for Games, they all got built around the 18th and are probably reasonable.
21:02:14 <brunowolff> The Games Spin is hosed though.
21:02:49 <nirik> wesnoth?
21:02:52 <brunowolff> Because of various things blocking rebuilds, it hasn't been rebuilt since the splash screen bug was fixed.
21:03:43 * satellit_ lurks
21:03:56 <brunowolff> Well late soname bumps didn't help. Wesnoth got rebuilt for boost, but before the rebuild got moved to updates an upstream bug fix release was done.
21:04:11 <nirik> ah, bummer.
21:04:23 <nirik> welcome satellit_, jsmith. ;)
21:04:31 <brunowolff> That got requested for updates last Friday and it still isn't in. That kind of latency doesn't help either.
21:04:34 <satellit_> : )
21:05:08 <brunowolff> But the nautilus-sendto in testing that fixes the dep issue has negative karma, so it won't be going to updates.
21:05:23 <brunowolff> So Games won't be usable for a bit.
21:05:30 <nirik> :(
21:05:57 <brunowolff> I don't know if that is a big deal or not, as we aren't pushing the extra spins too heavily for the alpha and beta.
21:06:24 <nirik> yeah, as soon as it composes it should appear tho
21:06:25 <brunowolff> I added a comment to the retrospective asking that broken deps NOT be allowed in stable.
21:06:41 <nirik> well, autoqa is needed to prevent that.
21:06:58 <brunowolff> autoqa is pretty close now isn't it?
21:07:45 <nirik> getting there...
21:08:19 <brunowolff> We could try to do something heroic for the Games Spin, but I don't think the demand justifies it. I'd just suggest that people try other spins for the alpha or wait a week for an updated Games spin.
21:08:32 <nirik> ok
21:09:46 <brunowolff> If you feel comfortable living with the Games Spin being in a bad state at the alpha, given the above options, then I think we should just leave things.
21:10:09 <brunowolff> Except maybe that needs to be in some alpha documentation?
21:10:13 <nirik> yeah, I think it's not ideal, but not sure must else can be done for now.
21:10:22 <nirik> common bugs?
21:10:34 <brunowolff> That's what I was wondering.
21:10:52 <brunowolff> Would that be in the docs' team area?
21:11:04 <nirik> or release notes?
21:11:10 <nirik> do we have release notes for alpha?
21:11:27 <brunowolff> I was thinking of asking the docs team about where to note that.
21:11:47 <nirik> yeah, sounds good.
21:12:15 <brunowolff> #info Games Spin will be bad at alpha release
21:12:42 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will ask on docs list about where Games Spin status should be documented.
21:12:47 <brunowolff> #topic other
21:13:18 <brunowolff> As I said, I don't have docs ready for review today, so we've covered stuff from the agenda.
21:13:30 <nirik> ok. were there any deadlines at alpha for us?
21:13:50 <brunowolff> Spin owners were supposed to look at their spins.
21:14:17 <nirik> yeah...
21:14:36 <brunowolff> Security Lab said they didn't get much done in that regard but have a hackfest coming up in September where they'll do some significant testing.
21:15:09 <brunowolff> The testing sign off is just for GA. And I need to pick out a set of minimal tests for spin owners.
21:16:16 <brunowolff> Design team wanted to know when the spins list was final. I added a note to the process docs about that, but didn't ask for a change to the
21:16:34 <nirik> we should get poelcat to make that change on his master list...
21:17:10 <brunowolff> project time line. It's part of dealing with the spins list is final entry already there.
21:18:17 <brunowolff> It seemed like one event to me, and that it should be documented on our end.
21:19:39 <nirik> yep. I agree.
21:20:12 <brunowolff> One other thing we need to watch is orphan blocking is coming at the end of this week.
21:20:28 <brunowolff> Currently the Games Spin at leats, will be affected by this.
21:20:51 <brunowolff> poker2d is orphaned, and I don't know it well enough or have time to save it.
21:21:10 <nirik> yeah, might have to make adjustments...
21:21:15 <brunowolff> Other spins might also be affected, but I don't know.
21:21:44 <brunowolff> I don't think this will caused builds to fail though, just error messages in the logs.
21:23:16 <brunowolff> Anything else anyone wants discussed today?
21:23:21 * nirik has nothing.
21:23:31 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will send out the minutes.
21:23:59 <brunowolff> OK, thanks for attending.
21:24:04 <brunowolff> #endmeeting