15:00:01 <jlaska> #startmeeting Fedora QA
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15:00:07 <jlaska> meetingname fedora-qa
15:00:10 <jlaska> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:20 <jlaska> #topic Gathering in the lobby
15:00:29 <jlaska> Will wait a few minutes for folks to join
15:00:32 * kparal joins on time
15:00:38 * fenris02 waves
15:00:46 <jlaska> kparal: fenris02 vaschenb hi there :)
15:00:55 * vaschenb uff, 1 minute delay :-)
15:00:57 <fenris02> g'morning
15:01:12 * jlaska notes ... adamw won't be around today ... today is Civic day in Canada
15:01:34 <jlaska> if we see adamw respond in the meeting, we get to shush him ... he's supposed to be taking the day off
15:01:35 * j_dulaney is a pirate today
15:01:49 <jlaska> j_dulaney: pirates welcome
15:01:59 <j_dulaney> sweet
15:02:08 <jlaska> vaschenb: adjusting to life back in Brno?
15:02:49 <vaschenb> jlaska: everything is so fast and every drink is alcohol-free :-D
15:02:57 <kparal> jlaska: I can tell you vaschenb now lacks a lot of wine :)
15:03:07 <jlaska> haha
15:03:12 <jlaska> well, glad to have you back
15:03:20 <vaschenb> kparal: psst :-)
15:03:55 <jlaska> I think wwoods is lurking ... we may need to lure him out with some treats
15:04:28 <j_dulaney> .bacon
15:04:28 <zodbot> I love bacon, you love bacon, WE ALL LOVE BACON!
15:04:49 <jlaska> that should do it, as long as it's soy bacon
15:04:54 <jlaska> okay ... let's get started
15:05:01 <jlaska> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:08 * wwoods appears in a puff of vegetarian bacon
15:05:14 <jlaska> eeew
15:05:20 <jlaska> :)
15:05:37 <jlaska> first, kparal, many thanks for wiki-zing the minutes from last week
15:05:56 <jlaska> I have an item for adamw and I, but I'll save that for when he's back
15:06:01 <jlaska> only other item ...
15:06:03 <kparal> jlaska: ah, I really wasn't good at it
15:06:09 <jlaska> #info j_dulaney discussed possible proventesters from his OS class
15:06:26 <jlaska> j_dulaney: any updates on this topic?
15:06:33 <j_dulaney> Classes start up late August
15:06:36 <jlaska> kparal: funny, I think the same thing about my notes each week too!
15:07:12 <j_dulaney> I want to say around the 22nd
15:07:38 <jlaska> okay ... anything you'd need in prep for classes?
15:07:48 <jlaska> feel free to raise in the meetings here, or on the list
15:08:15 <j_dulaney> Not sure just yet, still trying to work that out with Mr. Edwards.
15:08:30 <jlaska> Like adamw mentioned last time, we've had some experience with organizing QA events in a university setting ... but always looking for more opportunities
15:08:47 <j_dulaney> I'm thinking you'll get a flood of proventester requests
15:09:32 <j_dulaney> Of course, this is also assuming that enough people sign up for the class, which hasn't always happened.
15:09:55 <jlaska> okay, as we get closer, we may want to come up with some ideas to quickly process the flood
15:10:13 <j_dulaney> Righteo.  I'll keep up on this end
15:10:22 <jlaska> j_dulaney: cool, let us know how we can help :)
15:10:33 <jlaska> alright ... a few quick #topic updates ...
15:10:35 <j_dulaney> Roger
15:11:02 <jlaska> #topic F-14 Alpha Test Compose -- it's dead Jim
15:11:42 <fenris02> is there a new anaconda image coming rsn?
15:11:46 <jlaska> #info F-14 Alpha test compose CD and DVD images are available for test (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3856)
15:11:50 <j_dulaney> I still have not been able to succeed in yum updating to it
15:12:03 <kparal> dead Jim?
15:12:10 <jlaska> fenris02: there is a new anaconda already in koji ... I'll need ot catch up with anaconda-devel to see if an even newer version is expected
15:12:12 <j_dulaney> Star Trek
15:12:17 <kparal> meaning it's completely broken?
15:12:26 <jlaska> #info Current F-14-Alpha blockers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=611990&hide_resolved=1
15:12:28 <fenris02> kparal, yes.  py fail on bootup
15:12:40 <jlaska> kparal: yeah ... there's a ugly remnant of the python-2.7 migration ..
15:12:41 <kparal> fenris02: alright. little less work for me then :)
15:12:49 <jlaska> .bug 620274
15:12:50 <zodbot> jlaska: Bug 620274 pyconfig-32.h is missing, anaconda fails - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620274
15:13:16 <jlaska> I'll try an updates.img after the meeting (although this might not be updates.img-able)
15:13:21 <j_dulaney> I posted a similar bug, let me see if I can find it
15:13:32 <jlaska> will post to the mailing list if that helps get tests further along
15:15:04 <jlaska> so stay tuned ... we'll likely have new media for testing fairly soon
15:15:06 <j_dulaney> .bug 620082
15:15:10 <zodbot> j_dulaney: Bug 620082 Python dependance broken. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620082
15:15:19 <jlaska> #info Testing currently blocked bug 620274
15:16:12 <jlaska> j_dulaney: your bug is different, but similar to what newgle posted on the install matrix (I think) ...
15:16:38 <jlaska> j_dulaney: still more fall-out from python-2.7
15:16:46 <jlaska> so stay tuned gang ...
15:16:46 <j_dulaney> Indeed
15:17:02 <jlaska> #topic Accepting Test Day Proposals
15:17:18 <jlaska> As adamw noted during open-discussion last week ...
15:17:21 <jlaska> #info Adamw notes that we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in
15:17:33 <jlaska> Hurry (rhe) gets the prize for the first F-14 test day on the schedule
15:17:59 <jlaska> #info Installer translation/keyboard test day scheduled (see http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/112)
15:18:30 <jlaska> Only thing I wanted to point out here was that we have a few proposals for events
15:18:41 <jlaska> #info Current proposed test days -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Test+Day&milestone=Fedora+14&order=priority
15:19:00 <jlaska> But if you have a good idea for a test day, or want to host one ... please submit an idea
15:19:04 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Create
15:19:18 <jlaska> alright ... flying through the agenda today
15:19:34 <jlaska> #topic AutoQA package acceptance update
15:20:09 <jlaska> Quite a bit of movement in recent days ... wwoods, can you walk through recent updates and next steps?
15:20:46 <wwoods> well, we've been working on some patches to lay groundwork we need for advanced testing
15:21:40 <wwoods> kparal wrote some patches that rework how tests handle their arguments and how they can label themselves as requiring certain capabilities
15:21:49 <wwoods> like what arch they want to run on or whether they need virt capabilities
15:22:03 <kparal> or distro
15:22:07 <wwoods> right
15:22:22 <jlaska> there's a friendly wiki doc for that ...
15:22:33 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Managing_autotest_labels
15:22:37 <wwoods> it lets the tests use various labels that we've defined in autotest for the test hosts
15:23:15 <wwoods> which is awesome. there was also a patch from jskladan that moved all the tests to using a common base class
15:23:30 <wwoods> which lets us define some default behaviors for autoqa tests, like sending mail and/or reporting to a future resultdb
15:23:36 <wwoods> without having to add code to every test
15:23:40 <wwoods> which is also awesome
15:23:56 * j_dulaney likes less work
15:24:07 <wwoods> and (IIRC) vaschenb wrote a 'helloworld' test that we can use to be sure that tests are running properly
15:24:20 <kparal> the changes are not really documented on our wiki yet
15:24:27 <jlaska> that is a nice improvement ... I was getting worried with maintaining all that results mail code in each test
15:24:29 <wwoods> which has been really useful in testing all the (fairly invasive) changes we've made here
15:25:03 <wwoods> so - huge thanks to kparal, jskladan, and vaschenb for all their work
15:25:13 <wwoods> there's more than this but those are the hilights for the moment
15:25:24 <j_dulaney> When can we expect some Wiki love so that us newbs can get in on the fun?
15:25:40 <wwoods> so the next steps are to finish testing, merge the code into the master branch, and write some docs on the new changes
15:25:52 <kparal> j_dulaney: sure. in the meantime just look at the doc/ directory
15:26:02 <kparal> (that is new there)
15:26:23 <j_dulaney> kparal: Roger
15:26:39 <wwoods> once the new code is deployed I'm going to resume work on getting depcheck up and running as promised
15:26:55 <jlaska> jskladan mentioned he was looking into updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Writing_AutoQA_Tests once those patches all land in master
15:27:08 <wwoods> I think I saw some test code kicking around - using rpmfluff(?) to generate RPMs with certain dependency structures that we can use as tests cases
15:27:46 * kparal has a question
15:27:46 <wwoods> so that'll probably be the next major target - using various resources (like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Lessons) to design test cases for depcheck
15:27:54 <wwoods> to make sure it's handling everything as expected
15:27:54 <j_dulaney> I was going to work on that, but my lack of python knowledge got in the way
15:28:28 * j_dulaney is working on learning Python
15:28:30 <kparal> wwoods: what's the current status of post-bodhi-update hook?
15:28:38 <wwoods> there are a lot of other important things in the works - they might be able to be done in parallel with that effort, if we have enough free time. but we'll see.
15:28:48 <wwoods> kparal: should be merged and functional, I believe?
15:29:07 <wwoods> if it's not, we should fix that. it has a couple of known shortcomings but should be good enough for what we want to do
15:29:22 <wwoods> and now that we can have multihook tests we can wire up rpmlint/rpmdiff there, if we like
15:29:30 <kparal> wwoods: well I thought it's not finished yet. I'll look tomorrow, now I'm remotely connected
15:30:15 <wwoods> kparal: I'll check and make sure it's there - I haven't gotten to testing it yet
15:30:26 <jlaska> vaschenb: have you had a chance to start thinking about designing depcheck unittests?
15:30:32 <wwoods> it will be tested and confirmed working before we push new code to production
15:30:37 <kparal> wwoods: but everything should be already in master, right?
15:31:01 <vaschenb> jlaska: not yet, now i'm working on upgradepath test
15:31:21 <vaschenb> jlaska: but some skeleton I already made, but I need more specific information...
15:31:29 <jlaska> vaschenb: oh right, forgot about that test (https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/123)
15:32:09 <wwoods> kparal: I thought it was
15:32:10 <kparal> jlaska: I think vaschenb will be our upgrade path guy nowadays, so I can look at rpmfluff instead
15:32:36 <wwoods> kparal: hooks/post-bodhi-update exists in master, anyway
15:33:07 <wwoods> the code at least exists - whether or not it Does The Right Thing is unsure
15:33:08 <jlaska> kparal: vaschenb: exciting, sounds like a plan
15:33:11 <vaschenb> jlaska: so upgradepath test is not my business now?
15:33:28 <kparal> vaschenb: I believe it is :)
15:33:35 <vaschenb> kparal: me too :-)
15:33:40 <jlaska> vaschenb: correction, sounds like you have the upgrade path, and kparal was going to take depcheck unit tests
15:33:46 <jlaska> did I get that right?
15:33:53 <kparal> yep
15:33:58 <vaschenb> jlaska: ok, now I understand, uff :-)
15:34:05 <jlaska> roger ... okay ... back to wwoods
15:34:17 * jlaska </tangent>
15:34:35 <j_dulaney> Ooh, squirrel
15:34:52 <kparal> hey, I'm loosing you
15:35:20 <jlaska> wwoods: anything else you wanted to include today?
15:36:05 <wwoods> that's all I had in mind for the near future - there's more, of course, but we'll have another meeting before we get to any of that
15:37:38 <jlaska> roger, alright ... thanks for the update gang
15:37:45 <jlaska> #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>
15:37:56 <jlaska> Any open discussion items this week?
15:38:20 <jlaska> if not ... we'll close this puppy out and let everyone get back to rockin!
15:39:15 * j_dulaney notes that he already has Oasis going
15:40:56 <j_dulaney> Looks like we have a buggout in progress.
15:41:04 <jlaska> alrighty, let's close it out
15:41:10 <jlaska> thanks gang ... talk to you all online :)
15:41:17 <jlaska> as usual, I'll send the minutes to the list
15:41:25 <jlaska> #endmeeting