15:02:10 <kparal> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:02:24 <kparal> #topic Gathering interested mass
15:02:35 * j_dulaney is here
15:02:35 <kparal> let's see if there's anyone interested in the meeting today
15:02:43 <kparal> several people are not able to attend
15:02:49 * dafrito is here
15:02:51 * tertl3 arrives
15:03:05 * Viking-Ice half in half out..
15:03:10 <adamw> morning
15:03:33 * kparal tips hat to everyone
15:03:46 * fenris02 waves
15:03:48 <kparal> wwoods may be lurking?
15:03:55 <adamw> he does that
15:04:07 <j_dulaney> lurking, or lairing?
15:04:46 <kparal> hah, I would really like to know what it means in english, but literal translation to czech is really funny
15:05:38 <kparal> alright, seems we all now
15:05:45 <adamw> go with that then =)
15:06:08 <kparal> jlaska is not available today, so I'll try to (hardly) replace him
15:06:21 <kparal> jskladan is also out, so is vaschenb
15:06:47 <kparal> #topic Previous meeting followup
15:06:57 <kparal> do we have any issues to check from the last time?
15:07:03 * kparal searching
15:07:16 <adamw> we usually do
15:07:18 <j_dulaney> The proventester followup thingy?
15:07:32 <adamw> last time: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100719
15:07:35 <j_dulaney> Can't remember who was supposed to do that, or even if it was supposed to be done.
15:07:52 <adamw> only one action item:
15:07:53 <adamw> "maxamillion to set up a weekly outstanding proventester mentor request checkin"
15:08:05 <j_dulaney> That's what it was
15:08:10 <adamw> looks like he's awol today =)
15:08:18 <kparal> eheh
15:08:30 <kparal> alright, we will skip that point
15:08:52 <kparal> so let's go to the new topics
15:08:57 <kparal> jlaska proposed:
15:09:00 <kparal> #topic F14 Alpha test milestones
15:09:17 <kparal> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-quality-tasks.html
15:09:28 <kparal> the important items:
15:09:33 <kparal> > Thu 29-Jul  Wed 04-Aug  Test Alpha 'Test Compose'Fri 30-Jul  Fri 30-Jul  Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
15:09:43 * kparal tries again
15:09:46 <kparal> Thu 29-Jul  Wed 04-Aug  Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
15:09:46 <kparal> Fri 30-Jul  Fri 30-Jul  Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
15:10:22 <kparal> so it should be only three days and we can have our hands on first official F14 bit
15:10:29 <adamw> yup
15:10:30 <j_dulaney> Nice
15:10:47 <adamw> systemd went default in rawhide yesterday, so that should be in
15:10:54 <kparal> adamw: anything you want to add to this topic? it's your floor more than mine :)
15:10:57 <j_dulaney> Nice
15:11:51 <kparal> alright, it will be quick today :)
15:11:51 <adamw> Oxf13: if you're around, might it be a good idea to do a test-test-compose to see if you can build working images at all with systemd? just so you don't hit problems on wed/thur and get delayed
15:12:15 <fenris02> can you boot with selinux enabled now?  (do you get a graphical greeter yet?)
15:12:39 <adamw> theoretically i think both of those are meant to be fixed
15:12:53 <adamw> i haven't actually tested yet since the switch was broken (lennart muffed the dependencies)
15:12:55 <fenris02> adamw, afaict, they are still broken.
15:13:41 <adamw> fenris02: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=186032 is supposed to help the selinux stuff
15:13:43 <Viking-Ice> There went few selinux patches from Dan into systemd 4
15:13:52 <adamw> anyhow, i'll try and test it later
15:14:21 <kparal> alrighty, thanks. let's go into next topic
15:14:26 <j_dulaney> I'll try to give it a manual test on some of my hardware
15:14:35 <kparal> #topic AutoQA update
15:14:43 <adamw> yup, we should try and test it out if we can.
15:15:03 <kparal> seems that I'm the only one for AutoQA update today
15:15:08 <kparal> well then
15:15:30 <kparal> I committed vaschenb's 'helloworld' patch
15:15:45 <kparal> and broken a lot of stuff :)
15:15:57 <adamw> aha! progress!
15:16:16 <kparal> so the fixes are continuously flowing and repairing and breaking new stuff
15:17:04 <kparal> I also prepared a big 'control.autoqa' branch that contains patchset for 1. multihook tests, 2. better test scheduling, 3. autotest labels support
15:17:18 * j_dulaney is still trying to figure out AutoQA so he can help
15:17:21 <kparal> we are really waiting for wwoods' expertise to review this patch
15:17:54 <adamw> but that's stuff that's vital for the package update test plan right?
15:17:55 <kparal> but it should be merged to master hopefully soon and then we can do some really wild stuff, haha
15:18:00 <kparal> adamw: yes
15:18:07 <adamw> cool.
15:18:50 <kparal> the AutoQA infrastructure now undergoes big rewrites, so maybe it will be better to wait a little while, j_dulaney
15:19:05 <kparal> under to documentation is corrected and so on
15:19:12 <kparal> s/under/untill
15:19:20 <j_dulaney> kparal: I've noticed on the mailing list
15:20:05 <kparal> I have heard that wwoods' hardware had mailfunctioned, so it may take a few days until he's up and running again and accepting patches
15:20:09 <kparal> alright, that should be it
15:20:27 <kparal> #topic Open Floor - your issue here
15:20:38 <kparal> what do you want to discuss?
15:20:45 <tertl3> live lite music spin coming soon
15:20:58 <adamw> (your_ad_here)!
15:21:20 <tertl3> ccrma kernel possible for music spin?
15:21:40 <fenris02> no point, and it would break a great many items
15:21:42 * kparal has no idea what ccrma kernel is
15:21:43 <adamw> um, let's see. no news on proven testers, really. we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in.
15:22:08 <kparal> #info Please provide ideas for Test Days
15:22:25 <j_dulaney> ie, things to test?
15:22:45 <kparal> j_dulaney: basically a new or some old feature that needs to be tested
15:22:45 <adamw> anything from an idea for a test day through to 'hey, i want to organize one'
15:22:50 <tertl3> can I ask a question?
15:22:56 <kparal> tertl3: sure, go on
15:23:31 <tertl3> are the mesa-experimental going to going to still be 'experimental' in 14?
15:23:35 <j_dulaney> kparal: roger
15:23:49 <j_dulaney> adamw: How would I organize a test day?
15:23:57 <adamw> j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management
15:24:05 <adamw> (boy, i love having an easy answer for that :>)
15:24:06 <kparal> j_dulaney: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days
15:24:17 <kparal> adamw: do you know about mesa-experimental?
15:24:24 <j_dulaney> adamw: kparal: thanks
15:24:39 <adamw> tertl3: it depends. what happens is that the package exists if there are any drivers still considered 'experimental' by the mesa folks. if there aren't, it doesn't. the content changes - for e.g., the r500 driver used to be in there.
15:24:47 <fenris02> tertl3, look at rawhide?
15:25:14 <tertl3> adamw, fenris02 thnks :)
15:25:26 <adamw> tertl3: nouveau may not be 'experimental' for f14 final, if we wind up shipping gnome-shell by default, as you'd want it installed by default. but that's just me speculating. ben skeggs (darktama) would know best.
15:25:44 <kparal> alright, any other topic?
15:26:23 <j_dulaney> adamw: I don't like the sound of that
15:26:37 <j_dulaney> I've had trouble with nouveau
15:26:43 <adamw> kparal: let's see, i had one thing...just a sec
15:26:59 <adamw> kparal: oh yeah, 'polish' release criteria
15:27:09 <adamw> but may be best to leave for next week since jlaska's interested in that
15:27:09 <tertl3> i hear nouveau has problems with blender
15:27:09 <kparal> #topic Polish release criteria
15:27:16 <kparal> ah
15:27:24 <kparal> alright
15:27:28 <adamw> we're both fairly sure we were going to add a release criterion or two for 'polish' issues
15:27:35 <adamw> artwork stuff
15:27:56 <j_dulaney> Also, something I've had trouble with in Rawhide
15:27:58 <adamw> but we couldn't find any of the prior discussion of it, so we'll probably just start over, and we should propose one or two criteria to add to the final release.
15:28:19 <Viking-Ice> adamw: Is not that usually something that the design team makes sure is a ok?
15:28:35 <kparal> #info adamw and jlaska will propose one or two criteria about artwork stuff to add to the final release
15:29:03 <adamw> Viking-Ice: sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go in the release criteria
15:29:08 <kparal> Viking-Ice: software is also usually taken care of at devel team and still we have it in release criteria :)
15:29:18 <adamw> kparal: exactly what I was gonna say :)
15:29:36 <Viking-Ice> ok
15:29:50 <kparal> #topic Open Floor
15:30:13 <kparal> I noone else has some topic, I think we've broken record in the fastest QA meeting ever :)
15:30:14 <j_dulaney> I have a little bit of a follow up
15:30:27 <kparal> j_dulaney: go ahead
15:30:53 <j_dulaney> Namely, the instructer at CCC said that he would get his OS class to do some testing for us
15:31:08 <j_dulaney> That's it for now, fall semester's still a few weeks away
15:31:09 <kparal> #topic School class testing
15:31:20 <kparal> ah, no more details?
15:31:30 <adamw> j_dulaney: cool, i'd been wondering about that.
15:31:55 <kparal> we are surely looking forward for any support
15:32:05 <j_dulaney> kparal: I believe that he's going to have everyone in the class sign up for proventesters, but I could be mistaken on that count.
15:32:07 <kparal> I just wonder if we have enough simple tasks for 30 students :)
15:32:21 <kparal> proventesters sounds like a good idea
15:32:31 <Viking-Ice> If we dont we can always make up couple of things ;)
15:32:38 <kparal> #info the class could try proventesters tasks
15:32:47 <j_dulaney> kparal: probably more like six or seven, ten at the most
15:33:11 <kparal> that's fine. I think it's even better than 30
15:33:41 <kparal> ok, thanks for info j_dulaney
15:33:47 <j_dulaney> roger
15:33:52 <kparal> #topic Open Floor
15:35:18 <kparal> ok, thanks everyone for attending
15:35:24 <kparal> have a great monday :)
15:35:33 <kparal> #endmeeting