20:06:33 <liknus_> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 2010-6-9
20:06:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun  9 20:06:33 2010 UTC.  The chair is liknus_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:06:39 <liknus_> #topic Rollcall
20:06:49 <liknus_> its on the topic ladies and gents!
20:06:54 <kital> Joerg Simon
20:06:58 <dmaphy> .fas dmaphy
20:06:59 <zodbot> dmaphy: dmaphy 'Dominic Hopf' <dmaphy@gmail.com>
20:07:01 <liknus_> Pierros Papadeas
20:07:03 <cmpahar> .fas cmpahar
20:07:04 <zodbot> cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' <cmpahar@gmail.com>
20:07:10 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh721
20:07:11 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:07:20 <constanton> .fas constanton
20:07:21 <zodbot> constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' <anton.cost@gmail.com>
20:07:39 <GeroldKa> .fas geroldka
20:07:40 <zodbot> GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' <gerold@lugd.org>
20:08:10 <liknus_> Ok gents, todays agenda can be found here:
20:08:13 <liknus_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-06-09
20:08:31 <liknus_> #topic Announcements
20:08:47 <liknus_> kital, any news from FAmSCo?
20:08:58 <kital> sure - i will give a short update
20:09:08 <kital> latest FAmSCo Report for May can be found here
20:09:15 <liknus_> #chair kital
20:09:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus_
20:09:28 <kital> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_report_2010-05
20:09:42 * liknus_ is having terrible lag :(
20:09:51 <kital> #info 2010-June-30 is the final deadline to list your F13 Release Event Report
20:10:14 <kital> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events
20:10:30 <kital> NA Ambassadors brought up discussion about raising barriers to join the Ambassador Group
20:10:41 <liknus_> interesting
20:10:44 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000187.html
20:10:49 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000188.html
20:10:53 <liknus_> can you tell us a little bit more about that?
20:10:55 <kital> During FAmSCo Meetings we had discussions on this topic
20:11:01 <kital> and we agreed that the Mentors have already all instruments
20:11:27 <d3vnull_II> hi guys
20:11:28 <kital> liknus_: it is mostly summarized by David here http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-May/000187.html
20:11:39 <kital> 22:11 < kital> and we agreed that the Mentors have already all instruments
20:11:46 <kital> and the Freedom to decide what barrier he wants to raise personally
20:11:58 <kital> as example to require one month active work in marketing or other group
20:12:11 <kital> here the Mentor is completely free to decide
20:12:24 <kital> As most of you noticed we also announced the reshaped Membership Wizard
20:12:33 <kital> this week
20:12:37 <kital> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2010-June/000198.html
20:12:51 <kital> and we are positive that it will clarify to new candidates that the Ambassadors Group is not
20:13:03 <kital> just a starting group and will help Mentors to focus on the candidate and not on explaining
20:13:09 <kital> the membership process 1000 times
20:13:13 <kital> eof
20:13:34 <liknus_> thanks kital for the really interesting info on the subject
20:13:43 <liknus_> any questions on that?
20:14:01 <liknus_> #chair liknus
20:14:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus liknus_
20:14:21 <liknus_> ok any more announcements?
20:14:44 <liknus_> ok moving on to the next subject
20:14:54 <liknus_> #topic Events
20:15:05 <liknus_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents#FY11_Q1_.28March_2010_-_May_2010.29_2
20:15:16 <liknus_> oups...wrong
20:15:21 <liknus_> #undo
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20:16:03 <liknus_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents# FY11 Q2 (June 2010 - August 2010)
20:16:40 <liknus_> bochecha, ping
20:17:00 <liknus_> mainly this month we are focusing on Release Parties
20:17:14 <liknus_> so far in EMEA region we had/will have 4 events
20:17:38 <liknus_> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_release_events
20:18:07 <liknus_> We already had to of them in france and belgium
20:18:44 <liknus_> and this Saturday we are going to experiment in Greece, hosting two Release parties on the same time from distance :)
20:18:58 * cmpahar yiouhouuu
20:19:07 <liknus_> cmpahar, and me are responsible for Thessaloniki and Athens accordincly
20:19:29 * constanton won't miss it too :P
20:19:45 <liknus_> We are hoping that this formula will work and we can maybe next time experiment with more parties through more countries
20:19:54 <liknus_> Any questions remarks on that?
20:20:21 <liknus_> (of cource event reports and photos will follow)
20:20:43 <liknus_> Ok..
20:21:11 <liknus_> I think we also need to look and assess the situation of the few Release Parties within EMEA
20:22:21 <liknus_> I can see that possibly the problems are the difficulties of organizng or the downfall of some communities
20:22:58 <liknus_> Some more motives need to be there so as more people organize release parties
20:23:34 <liknus_> What do you think on focusing on some kind of special promotion for the next release parties?
20:23:43 <liknus_> F14 I am talking now...
20:24:06 <liknus_> Any comments on that?
20:24:15 <cmpahar> !
20:24:23 <liknus_> cmpahar,
20:24:47 <kital> !
20:25:13 <cmpahar> I think that we have to prove to the people that it is not so hard to organize a release event, to say a few words for the new release. We have to motivate them.
20:25:20 <cmpahar> eof
20:25:36 <liknus_> Thanks cmpahar ... this can be done through wiki and through ml
20:25:39 <liknus_> kital,
20:25:42 <kital> do you feel that FAmSCo or Marketing should advertise the Release Parties with more ressources?
20:25:57 <kital> s/you/you all/
20:26:01 <kital> eof
20:26:04 <cmpahar> kital, +1
20:26:06 <d3vnull_II> +1 kital
20:26:19 <liknus_> i think that famsco should provide some motives
20:26:30 <kital> !
20:26:37 <liknus_> marketing team should work on some texts
20:26:46 <liknus_> and design team should help us on some artwork
20:26:54 <d3vnull_II> !
20:26:58 <liknus_> kital,
20:27:15 <constanton> !
20:27:16 <zoltanh7211> kital +1
20:27:25 <kital> d3vnull_II: should first i have to search a link
20:27:26 <kital> ;)
20:27:35 <liknus_> d3vnull_II, then :)
20:27:49 <d3vnull_II> thanks
20:28:05 <d3vnull_II> liknus_ do u mean motivation of some sort or motives for real?
20:28:28 <liknus_> possible both ;)
20:28:42 <liknus_> motivation at first i guess
20:29:01 <d3vnull_II> if its the former, then I will agree with kital on resource availability.
20:29:30 <d3vnull_II> some ambassadors depending on the zone might find it pocket draining to organize parties
20:30:05 <d3vnull_II> when I say zone in this context I mean regions..eg.Africa/Nigeria...Ivory Coast...etc
20:30:06 * kital found the link
20:30:11 <d3vnull_II> EOF
20:30:37 <liknus_> d3vnull_II, thanks for the remarks....indeed the zones are an issue
20:30:40 <liknus_> kital,
20:31:23 <kital> we tried to use Release Party Contests as motivation in the past
20:32:00 <kital> which turned out to be demotivating for all the others who invested a lot of love in their events and did not won
20:33:16 <kital> do you think the same ?
20:33:17 <kital> eof
20:33:35 <liknus_> +1 kital
20:33:59 <cmpahar> +1 kital
20:34:04 <constanton> +1 kital
20:34:05 <d3vnull_II> +1 kital
20:34:08 <liknus_> Shall we open the subject on the ml?
20:34:17 <constanton> ! can I add something?
20:34:31 <liknus_> constanton,
20:34:43 <constanton> I think the motive can be found locally
20:34:47 <constanton> I think a first step is to actually get promoted from those who will soon organise a release party. I mean write down somewhere "it was cool, if you are an Ambassador, just do it, it's more than fun!"
20:35:03 <constanton> I think it's not just workshops and presentations, and that side is a motive I think
20:35:37 <liknus_> indeed promoting the fun side of events is something we must promote :)
20:35:58 <constanton> talk about fedora and much more and get a beer...I think it's enough for me
20:36:06 <constanton> eof :)
20:36:09 <liknus_> #action liknus_ add the "fun side" on the report guidelines
20:36:15 <liknus_> aggreed?
20:36:29 <constanton> +1
20:36:36 <d3vnull_II> +1
20:36:49 <cmpahar> +1
20:37:14 <kital> ah - i am dump i searched the link and forgott to post it -
20:37:29 <kital> discussion regarding contest prize by famsco http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-05-03/fedora-meeting-1.2010-05-03-18.00.log.html
20:37:55 <kital> and hint hint! 18:27:49 <kital> #agreed to have team-lunch as prize for every Release Event Team with an detailed Event Report
20:38:01 <kital> eof
20:38:37 <liknus_> that is still valid kital ? ;)
20:38:59 <kital> there is a agreed - right ;)
20:39:37 <liknus_> greek team prepare for dinner :P
20:40:08 <kital> ;)
20:40:14 * constanton is suited up already
20:40:14 * cmpahar getting ready
20:40:19 * bochecha totally forgot the meeting, sorry about that :x
20:40:31 * cmpahar hey bobmcw
20:40:37 * cmpahar hey bochecha
20:40:58 * liknus_ hey there bochecha
20:41:14 <liknus_> bochecha, any info from the release party?
20:41:24 <bochecha> the one we held in Paris?
20:41:56 <liknus_> yeah bochecha
20:42:17 <bochecha> well, like I said in my report on the mailing list, we had 150 visitors, we gave a presentation and two workshops
20:42:39 <bochecha> and as it appears I arrived while we're discussing the fun side, then it definitely was a lot of fun (although exhausting)
20:42:40 <liknus_> excellent bochecha
20:42:41 <bochecha> :)
20:43:19 <liknus_> ok anything more on the events?
20:44:00 * cmpahar WOW
20:44:15 <liknus_> I can see that there are no action items from previous meeting
20:44:19 <liknus_> so..
20:44:24 <liknus_> #topic Open Flooe
20:44:31 <kital> ah ok
20:44:32 <liknus_> #topic Open Floor
20:44:56 <liknus_> anyone knows what sspreitzer does on media?
20:45:02 <cmpahar> liknus,
20:45:05 <cmpahar> !
20:45:12 <liknus_> cmpahar,
20:45:47 <cmpahar> will you sum up your thoughts and experiences about IDLELO and generally Ghana?
20:46:05 <liknus_> cmpahar, that can be done :)
20:46:22 <cmpahar> if we dont have something else of course
20:46:22 <cmpahar> eof
20:46:29 <liknus_> but in a meeting i prefer Q&A
20:46:42 <liknus_> else i shall write a ml post
20:47:04 <cmpahar> fair enough :)
20:47:28 <liknus_> any Q for that?
20:47:55 <liknus_> Also I have to note that Africa meetings were stopped just before IDLELO...no idea why
20:48:07 <liknus_> I shall boot it up back
20:48:33 <zoltanh7211> !
20:48:38 <liknus_> zoltanh7211,
20:48:57 <zoltanh7211> Kital, can we talk about tshirts?
20:49:08 <kital> zoltanh7211: we can
20:49:14 <zoltanh7211> So,
20:49:42 <zoltanh7211> Lately I try to find a good Hu company who could create cheap swag
20:49:47 <kital> right now i try to get offers for the fudcon shirts for the fudcon zurich
20:50:14 <zoltanh7211> understand
20:50:18 <liknus_> in greece our vendor give us vinyl tshirts for 10 Euros each
20:50:20 * kital saw zoltanh7211 t-shirt designs
20:50:20 <cmpahar> kital, i can take some offers from Greece too :)
20:50:27 <bochecha> liknus_, expensive
20:50:39 <liknus_> bochecha, vinyl stamp
20:50:52 <bochecha> I have no idea what vinyl stamp is of course :)
20:51:09 <liknus_> no way of getting worn off
20:52:07 * kital remembers that there is also a ticket to produce new polo shirts for greece
20:52:09 <zoltanh7211> Kital: Currently I will receive the following samples: Flags (2 types), tshirts (2 types), sticker sets, hanger, and more
20:52:24 <liknus_> nice zoltanh7211
20:52:25 <kital> zoltanh7211: can not wait to see them
20:52:53 <kital> and look forward to wear a rocket button in the future
20:53:08 <liknus_> oh!!
20:53:10 <zoltanh7211> If I good remember, then GeroldKA was who wated flags
20:53:12 <liknus_> that reminds me
20:53:39 <GeroldKa> ??
20:53:50 <liknus_> I am thinking if we have the budget to buy a button making machine :)
20:54:15 <liknus_> It costs about 250 Euros with 1000 parts to produce ...
20:54:31 <zoltanh7211> GeroldKa: If my information is correct you would like to see desk flags, I will have them for events
20:54:34 <liknus_> 1000 buttons cost 300 Euros .. so I think it is profitable for us
20:54:44 <zoltanh7211> liknus: that could be great
20:54:46 <liknus_> kital, what do you think?
20:55:08 <liknus_> I used one machine like that in LGM Brussles and it was *great* !!!
20:55:22 <kital> liknus_: sounds good - please do a ticket on emea swag
20:55:36 <kital> i will announce it to our treasurer
20:55:47 <liknus_> who shall buy it?
20:55:54 <GeroldKa> who is your treasurer kital ?
20:55:57 <kital> liknus_: you
20:56:02 <liknus_> ok kital
20:56:07 <kital> liknus_: ;)
20:56:20 <kital> GeroldKa: Max
20:56:33 <kital> s/your/our
20:56:39 <GeroldKa> oh OK ....
20:56:48 <kital> and of course you - if all things will fail
20:56:50 <kital> ;))))
20:56:59 <zoltanh7211> :)
20:57:01 <kital> as you are alway the final backup
20:57:35 <liknus_> lol
20:57:36 <liknus_> nice
20:57:53 * kital loves this button
20:57:53 <GeroldKa> me?!
20:57:54 <kital> http://howto.nicubunu.ro/NASA-badge-inkscape/fedora-NASA-badge.png
20:57:55 <liknus_> #action liknus_ makes a ticket on buttons making machine
20:58:19 <liknus_> kital, I am going to bring many for you :P
20:58:24 <kital> GeroldKa: yes, i can not remember that you ever let me down ;)
20:58:33 <cmpahar> liknus, with your face?1
20:58:40 <GeroldKa> indeed; that's a fact
20:58:42 <liknus_> why not cmpahar :P
20:58:49 <liknus_> GeroldKa, thats sweet :)
20:59:45 <liknus_> in 2 minutes I shall end the meeting
21:00:02 * cmpahar i thalitsa kaleiiii....
21:00:36 <cmpahar> i am trying to remember something that i wanted to be discussed
21:00:45 <cmpahar> but unfortunately, i cant :(
21:00:49 <cmpahar> aaa
21:00:50 <cmpahar> kital,
21:00:56 <cmpahar> never mind
21:00:59 <cmpahar> after the meeting
21:01:02 <kital> cmpahar: ;)
21:01:32 <liknus_> Thanks all for attending!
21:01:35 <kital> thanks liknus_ for chairing
21:01:35 <liknus_> see ya around!
21:01:36 <cmpahar> thanks liknus
21:01:48 <zoltanh7211> thx everyone
21:01:55 <liknus_> #endmeeting