14:06:10 <jreznik> #startmeeting kde-sig -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-06-01 14:06:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 1 14:06:10 2010 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:06:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:06:48 <jreznik> #chair Kevin_Kofler than rdieter ltinkl SMParrish_mobile 14:06:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler SMParrish_mobile jreznik ltinkl rdieter than 14:07:08 <jreznik> #topic roll call 14:07:13 <SMParrish_mobile> Here 14:07:14 * ltinkl is present 14:07:15 <Kevin_Kofler> Present. 14:07:18 * than is present 14:07:31 * thomasj waves 14:07:38 <Kevin_Kofler> The agenda needs fixing, the one item that's there is a copy&paste from an old meeting. 14:07:54 <jreznik> #info Kevin_Kofler SMParrish_mobile ltinkl jreznik thomasj than present 14:08:35 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: yes, quick copy&paste - few secs ago there was no agenda at all 14:09:09 <jreznik> I need a new template to copy from :) 14:09:11 <jreznik> #topic agenda 14:10:04 <jreznik> anything to be added to agenda for todays meeting? 14:10:22 <jreznik> 4.4.4 status 14:10:35 <jreznik> 4.8.50 status? 14:10:45 <jreznik> 4.4.80 sorry 14:10:50 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, those are always good to discuss. 14:10:56 * Kevin_Kofler wants 4.8.50. ^^ 14:11:02 <thomasj> :D 14:11:27 <than> Kevin_Kofler: in next 5 year :) 14:12:06 <jreznik> not five years, in two years 14:12:22 <jreznik> ok, anything else? 14:12:31 <jreznik> it's going to be quick status meeting... 14:13:50 <jreznik> ok, let's start 14:14:05 <jreznik> #topic 4.4.4 status 14:14:15 <than> 4.4.4 is imported into CVS yesterday 14:14:42 <than> the patches still need to be adapted for 4.4.4 14:14:49 * rdieter wakes up, sorry. 14:14:50 <jreznik> than: Dirk updated kde-l10n-sr-4.4.4.tar.bz2 14:15:11 <than> jreznik: it's already updated in CVS 14:15:19 <jreznik> great, thanks 14:15:59 * thomasj has to leave (kids).. Thankfully not a big loss for the meeting.. laters.. 14:16:00 <jreznik> than: I can do the patches/build work but tmrw 14:16:35 <Kevin_Kofler> We need a tag set up, unless rdieter already did it. 14:16:42 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Can you please set up kde444 tags? 14:16:46 <rdieter> ok 14:17:46 <jreznik> oh, tag first 14:18:08 <jreznik> #action rdieter to set up kde444 tag 14:19:52 <ltinkl> on a related note, KDE 4.4.5 is scheduled to be tagged on June 24th 14:21:03 <Kevin_Kofler> Already?! 14:21:35 <jreznik> #info KDE 4.4.5 is scheduled to be tagged on June 24th 14:21:36 <Kevin_Kofler> That's not even a month after 4.4.4. 14:21:46 <ltinkl> yes 14:22:03 <ltinkl> and to be released on June 29th 14:22:11 <ltinkl> that is still this month :) 14:24:06 <jreznik> it's really soon 14:24:35 <jreznik> so now we need kde444 tag and rebase patches to 4.4.4 14:24:53 <jreznik> it's all for 4.4.4 status, lets' move on 4.5 beta 1 status 14:24:57 <Kevin_Kofler> The problem with .5 releases is that they somehow interfere with 4.n+1 prereleases, so they keep experimenting with "interesting" release dates. 14:26:12 <jreznik> the question is - do we really need to pick up 4.4.5? it's a big update with a few changes usually... 14:27:08 <rdieter> jreznik: word has it that there are a few kdepim-related fixes to land in the 4.4.5 timeframe 14:27:35 <rdieter> but we can reserve judgement, until the time comes and we see the changelog 14:28:03 <jreznik> rdieter: and we can just cherry pick patches we need... better than one big KDE update... but will see 14:29:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Well, I'm for the one big KDE update. :-) 14:30:04 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: but it's really huge update for small changes... we'll see... 14:30:10 <ltinkl> ye, especially when ppl start crying "Ubuntu has 4.4.5 already!" :) 14:31:22 <gholms> Does that really happen? 14:32:07 <jreznik> I'm not sure this happens (but I'm far away from Kubuntu word) 14:32:12 <jreznik> ok, let's move on 14:32:27 <jreznik> #topic 4.5.80 (kde 4.5 beta 1) status 14:35:04 <jreznik> kde-l10n is still missing (build failed) 14:35:46 <Kevin_Kofler> Is our kdebindings complete or did we have to disable some stuff (smoke etc.)? 14:36:06 <Kevin_Kofler> There's also a kdepimlibs ABI compatibility fix we need to make kdepim 4.4 work. 14:37:34 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: smoke (and frieds) was disabled 14:37:45 <rdieter> friends 14:38:03 <rdieter> something broke wrt qt-4.7.0-beta1 (it builds ok against 4.6) 14:38:45 <than> it should be reported to kde upstream 14:39:13 <rdieter> I notified -bindings list, but doesn't replace a proper bug report I suppose 14:40:18 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess I could fix it, but I don't have time today. Maybe tomorrow. 14:40:36 <rdieter> may be worth waiting for .85 coming later this week 14:40:48 <than> kdebindings is the only package which always has build issue by every major kde update 14:40:54 <than> rdieter: +1 14:41:06 <Kevin_Kofler> than: There's also kde-l10n. 14:41:10 <Kevin_Kofler> I hate those 2 packages. 14:41:13 <Kevin_Kofler> They're always broken. 14:41:29 <than> Kevin_Kofler: yes, kde-l10n too 14:41:41 <rdieter> something odd in .80's new dtd handling broke a bunch of other kde package's docbook generation 14:41:52 <jreznik> it's so difficult to try clean builds before release (even release for packagers?) 14:41:54 <rdieter> I noticed that when rebuilding stuff for new exiv2-0.20 in rawhide 14:42:29 <rdieter> got a handful of ftbfs now 14:42:57 <rdieter> amarok, kphotoalbum are 2 off the top of my head... 14:48:37 <rdieter> that's all, move on? 14:51:06 <jreznik> ops, sorry 14:51:23 <jreznik> #topic open discussion 14:51:57 <nucleo> What do you think about adding default UnredirectFullscreen=false in kwinrc to fix fullscreen applications flickering whenenabled desktop effects? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/327199 14:52:41 <Kevin_Kofler> It hurts performance, doesn't it? 14:53:04 <nucleo> don't know 14:53:27 <nucleo> I didn't noticed any performance issues but I am not sure 14:54:03 <Kevin_Kofler> The reason unredirecting fullscreen apps is done is for performance. 14:55:39 <jreznik> but the flickering is really very annoying 14:56:22 <SMParrish> Yes its annoying so I just turned of the desktop effects. Dont want to take a performance hit to fix it though 14:57:04 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess we can disable this "feature" if it causes more trouble than good. 14:58:15 <nucleo> SMParrish: is there really bad performance with UnredirectFullscreen=false? 14:58:28 <rdieter> 1. ask kwin upstream opinion 14:58:55 <rdieter> 2 either way, I think I'd rather document how users can toggle the option, rather than stray from upstream defaults here 14:59:18 <jreznik> +1 14:59:21 <SMParrish> nucleo: not sure just saying if using it causes a performance hit its not worth it just for eye candy 14:59:46 <SMParrish> rdieter: +1 14:59:52 <rdieter> nucleo: you mind asking the kwin folks what they think ? 15:00:21 <rdieter> given that, we can make an informed decision on the best way forward. 15:00:21 <Kevin_Kofler> Is the crash with i950 that's mentioned in Launchpad also reproducible in Fedora? 15:00:33 <Kevin_Kofler> Or is this just a bug in the version of the intel driver Ubuntu ships? 15:00:47 <Kevin_Kofler> Because if there's a crash, that's worse than just flickering. 15:01:05 <nucleo> rdieter: is there kwin channel? 15:01:30 <rdieter> not that I'm aware of, just mailing list 15:01:45 <rdieter> could try asking in #kde or #kde-devel first though 15:02:12 <nucleo> #kwin ? 15:02:34 <rdieter> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwin 15:02:48 <rdieter> nucleo: looks like it, you found it 15:03:16 <nucleo> rdieter: Ok. I will ask 15:03:21 <rdieter> nucleo: thanks 15:04:37 <jreznik> we're out of time now... 15:05:19 <jreznik> #action nucleo to ask kwin people about UnredirectFullscreen=false option 15:05:21 <adamw> it's alright, we have a light schedule today 15:05:28 <adamw> take another few minutes if you need 'em 15:05:49 <jreznik> adamw: thanks, we can finnish it at #fedora-kde 15:05:50 <jreznik> #endmeeting