05:04:10 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:04:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 20 05:04:10 2010 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:04:21 <tagoh> hi
05:04:27 <juhp> hi tagoh
05:04:54 <epico_laptop> hi
05:05:04 <paragan> hi
05:05:10 <juhp> hi epico_laptop and paragan
05:05:25 <nkumar> hi
05:05:55 * juhp adds another agenda item
05:06:00 <juhp> hi nkumar
05:06:42 <phuang> hi
05:06:44 <juhp> #topic agenda
05:06:58 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-05-20
05:07:50 <juhp> hi phuang and jni_
05:08:02 <juhp> and dueno and jnettlet
05:08:12 <phuang> hi
05:08:13 <juhp> ok we can probably get started
05:08:16 <jni_> hi
05:09:01 <dueno> hi
05:09:29 <juhp> I added a project updates section so if anyone has anything they want to share next feel free
05:09:38 <juhp> #topic project updates
05:10:02 <juhp> hi dueno
05:10:10 <juhp> gettext-0.18 was released
05:10:10 <dychen_> hi
05:10:33 <juhp> so I am preparing it for rawhide and probably push an update for f13 at least
05:11:06 <juhp> ah we should probably talk about cnucnu (upstream-updates-monitor?) too
05:11:08 <paragan> cool
05:12:44 <juhp> suddenly we seem to have a lot agenda...
05:12:52 <juhp> hi dychen_
05:13:13 <juhp> anyone else have anything packaging related or otherwise?
05:13:32 <juhp> otherwise we move on
05:14:06 <juhp> #topic F13
05:14:20 <juhp> well F13 is due to be released next week I believe
05:14:37 <nkumar> I will package ibus-table mathwriter today....
05:14:39 <juhp> so not too much to talk about beyond bugs for updates etc
05:14:45 <juhp> nkumar: nice
05:14:50 <juhp> working well? :)
05:15:20 <nkumar> nkumar: Although I think I could just add only essential symbols...
05:15:37 <nkumar> s/nkumar/juhp/
05:16:12 <nkumar> juhp: But will push it to bugzilla and slowly put more symbols whenever get time
05:16:26 <juhp> okay
05:16:33 <nkumar> juhp: the table is now around 4000 lines
05:16:39 <juhp> nkumar: are you hosting it somewhere?
05:16:44 <juhp> ok
05:16:59 <nkumar> juhp: no
05:17:24 <juhp> nkumar: think you should :)
05:17:46 <nkumar> juhp: ok, then I will put it on google code
05:17:57 <dychen_> nkumar: You can always add symbols later. :-)
05:18:10 <juhp> nkumar: maybe talk to phuang and kaio for ideas on hosting
05:18:12 <nkumar> juhp: :), thanks
05:18:20 <nkumar> juhp: ok :)
05:19:03 <juhp> do we have an important f13 bugs you want to discuss?
05:20:34 <juhp> #topic F14
05:20:36 <epico_laptop> For zinnia-tomoe and ibus-handwrite, they gives a new solution. and got zinnia commit permissions, and packaging now.
05:20:54 <phuang> cool
05:20:54 <juhp> I see there is a draft F14 schedule (probably has been...)
05:21:05 <juhp> epico_laptop: great
05:21:19 <epico_laptop> thanks.
05:21:23 <juhp> epico_laptop: so moving along now? :)
05:21:47 <juhp> 2010-07-13	 Feature Submission Deadline
05:21:49 <epico_laptop> yeah, a big task. :)
05:21:51 <paragan> looks FESCo approved now http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-draft-schedule.html
05:22:06 <juhp> aha
05:22:22 <juhp> 2010-07-27	 Branch Fedora 14 from Rawhide
05:22:38 <juhp> 2010-08-03	 Alpha Change deadline
05:22:56 <juhp> currently final release is end of Oct
05:23:30 <juhp> Gnome 3.0 -- September 29, 2010 is also noteworthy :)
05:24:29 <paragan> and KDE 4.5 - August 4, 2010
05:26:06 <juhp> .Bug 523933
05:26:07 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 523933 Unicode 5.1 - Indic Lanuages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523933
05:26:21 <juhp> paragan: this should still be open right??
05:27:29 <paragan> can be closed
05:28:39 <juhp> then please :)
05:28:42 <paragan> we have got the required changes for Unicode 5.1 in pango 1.28.0 in F13
05:28:47 <paragan> will do it
05:28:48 <juhp> I thought so
05:28:49 <juhp> thanks
05:29:02 <juhp> .Bug 587927
05:29:03 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 587927 evince attempts to use libmimx-ispell.so - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=587927
05:29:09 <juhp> I am still a bit puzzled by this one
05:29:13 <juhp> anyone else seen it?
05:33:32 <tagoh> nope - does evince link m17n-lib directly?
05:33:45 <juhp> it shouldn't I think
05:35:19 <juhp> actually disabled it I think
05:35:23 <juhp> I
05:37:29 <juhp> #topic f14 trackers
05:37:58 <juhp> I am thinking if we should make a tracker bug for F14 to help focus our attention
05:38:07 <juhp> any comments or thoughts on that?
05:38:41 <paragan> that is a nice thing
05:38:55 <juhp> hmm perhaps m17n-lib-ispell was not obsoleted
05:39:13 <tagoh> what's the difference with tracking i18n keyword or picking up with email say?
05:40:02 <juhp> tagoh: well i18n keyword need not be targetting a release
05:40:47 <juhp> but yeah there is some (email) overhead with a tracker bug too
05:41:49 <juhp> hmm currently we just track i18n-bugs which are blockers, targets, or not
05:42:02 <paragan> yes
05:42:17 <juhp> guess good thing about our own tracker is we get to "decide" what is on the list
05:42:35 <juhp> it would probably block F14Target
05:42:38 <tagoh> hmm, well, even though we add bugs to F?Target or F?Blocker if it's worth getting fixed in a release?
05:43:07 <juhp> so we could use it instead of F14Target?
05:43:38 <juhp> well perhaps we can think more about it - it might be useful
05:43:52 <juhp> still rather early
05:44:56 <juhp> I guess we did pretty well for F13Target :)
05:45:24 <juhp> #topic F11 bugs
05:45:46 <juhp> we started this last week - we be nice to finish it off afap
05:46:01 <paragan> ok
05:46:22 <juhp> unfortunately I didn't find time to look at any since last week :-/
05:48:33 <juhp> other people please also try
05:49:27 <paragan> I am moving bug 484643 to F13
05:50:24 <juhp> hmm is it a bug
05:51:33 <juhp> ok guess it is :)
05:52:38 <juhp> paragan: I added the upstream bug by fujiwarat
05:52:48 <paragan> ok
05:53:44 <juhp> wanted to test xchat (pretty sure it is still broken) but the local mirror is hosed or something
05:54:03 <juhp> xchat-gnome is also open somewhere I think...
05:54:26 <juhp> I think behdad suggested I file/find an upstream
05:55:18 <juhp> .bug 473839
05:55:20 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 473839 layout switcher doesn't work - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473839
05:55:26 <juhp> fujiwarat: not a bug or ?
05:56:23 <fujiwarat> I think 473839 will be duplicated of bug 474010.
05:56:44 <juhp> .bug 474010
05:56:46 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 474010 gdm kbd layout setting should add US layout by default for layouts without Latin characters - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474010
05:57:10 <juhp> hm maybe though it is not talking about gdm I think
05:57:39 <juhp> so problem is due to gdm?
05:58:12 <fujiwarat> > 5. start and login to gnome
05:58:42 <fujiwarat> The first keymap is assigned by GDM.
05:58:55 <juhp> okay
05:58:59 <fujiwarat> users can switch the layout by the shortcut key.
05:59:00 <juhp> hm
05:59:24 <juhp> I guess he is talking about the keyboard switcher applet
05:59:40 <juhp> ah nm
06:00:00 <juhp> unfortunately the bugreports are not terribly clear
06:00:45 <fujiwarat> hmm...
06:00:56 <juhp> fujiwarat: thanks for looking at it anyway
06:01:31 <juhp> #topic i18n-bugs cvs/build mails bouncing
06:01:47 <juhp> the neverending saga... it seems
06:04:05 <juhp> tagoh3: I think nothing more new on that front right?
06:04:23 <juhp> just thought I would bring it up again in the hope we might find a solution sooner
06:04:51 <juhp> I wonder who to ask?
06:05:25 <juhp> #topic Upstream_Release_Monitoring
06:05:50 <juhp> seems to be a new fedora project, which I discovered when gettext was released
06:06:08 <fujiwarat> zodbot: bug 230662
06:06:13 <zodbot> fujiwarat: Bug 230662 Faulty text-wrapping for Asian languages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=230662
06:06:16 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_Release_Monitoring
06:06:40 <juhp> we should add some of our packages so the wiki page to get cnucnu to notice new upstream releases
06:07:06 <juhp> fujiwarat: yes thanks
06:07:37 <fujiwarat> juhp: Probably it might be better to ask besfahbo. Myself gave up it at the moment.
06:07:55 <juhp> fujiwarat: ok yeah
06:08:14 <juhp> fujiwarat: btw you can put the upstream bug also in the upstream BTS field
06:08:30 <juhp> External Bug: Location
06:08:43 <juhp> doh already there
06:09:22 <juhp> so we could pass those upstream bugs to behdad
06:09:38 <fujiwarat> Yes, I don't use the bugzilla field. Yes, I think so.
06:10:57 <juhp> fujiwarat: guess they are both still valid
06:11:10 <fujiwarat> ok
06:13:22 <juhp> strange I thought I added the xchat upstream bug
06:14:07 <juhp> #topic @fedorai18n
06:14:23 <juhp> yeah dunno if/how we can use this somehow
06:14:36 <juhp> it should probably be on identi.ca too?
06:14:52 <tagoh> who owns it?
06:15:00 <juhp> suppose it could be a koji build blast?
06:15:11 <juhp> I think kaio made it
06:15:21 <tagoh> aha
06:15:40 <nkumar> juhp: All new package announcements through it?
06:16:08 <nkumar> juhp: Also new stable build announcements?
06:16:14 <juhp> well it could just be fedora-i18n news, dunno
06:16:29 <juhp> nkumar: sure anything you like
06:16:41 <nkumar> juhp: :)
06:17:03 <juhp> not sure how (well) multiuser tweet a/c work
06:17:41 <juhp> any just thought I would mention it - maybe some of you guys can think of some creative (legal;) uses :-)
06:18:44 <juhp> #topic open space and closing
06:18:48 <juhp> anything else? :)
06:19:41 <tagoh> not yet getting back a response from nim-nim about the meeting.
06:20:07 <juhp> nor fontpackages ...
06:20:14 <juhp> guess he is busy or something
06:20:35 <juhp> tagoh: I think it is probably safe to assume he is not available currently
06:20:43 <juhp> for a meeting
06:20:44 <tagoh> sure
06:24:53 <juhp> maybe later we can try again :)
06:24:56 <juhp> to invite him
06:26:42 <tagoh> yep
06:40:42 <juhp> #endmeeting