23:58:40 <jlaska> #startmeeting F-13-Final Go / No Go
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23:58:54 <jlaska> #meetingname F-13-Final-eng-readiness
23:58:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'f-13-final-eng-readiness'
23:59:07 <jlaska> #topic Waiting for critical mass
23:59:32 <jlaska> Just getting things started a little early to allow folks to join
23:59:56 * poelcat here
00:00:07 <adamw> yo
00:00:27 <jlaska> poelcat: howdy
00:00:34 <poelcat> hi
00:00:35 <jlaska> adamw: good _late_ evening to you :)
00:00:54 <Oxf13> yo.
00:01:01 <jlaska> Oxf13: hey hey!
00:01:15 <jlaska> alright, anyone else lurking ... say "Hi" for the logs
00:02:16 <jlaska> any folks from the development side lurking?
00:03:09 <jlaska> spot: stickster: nirik: around for go/no go?
00:03:29 * jlaska waits a few more seconds ... then will get going
00:03:40 <jlaska> #topic Why are we here?
00:03:54 <jlaska> I think most of us know already ... but for folks watching at home
00:03:59 <jlaska> The purpose is to decide whether the Final release criteria have
00:04:03 <jlaska> been met
00:04:05 * stickster here
00:04:10 <jlaska> #info The purpose is to decide whether the Final release criteria have been met
00:04:16 <jlaska> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria
00:04:18 <jlaska> stickster: welcome
00:04:27 <jlaska> dlehman: howdy
00:04:39 <jlaska> alright, time for the main event
00:04:42 <jlaska> #topic Go or No Go?
00:04:46 <adamw> stick a fork in it, it's done.
00:05:01 <jlaska> adamw, can I #info that :)
00:05:17 * jlaska sees no OPEN F13Blocker bugs
00:06:08 <adamw> well, there's four MODIFIED or ON_QA
00:06:11 <adamw> which is technically OPEN
00:06:32 <adamw> however, there won't be for much longer...
00:06:35 <jlaska> yes, you are right.  I was limiting my search to NEW + ASSIGNED
00:07:06 <McGiwer> PawelSadowski
00:07:15 <jlaska> adamw: anything of concern on that list?
00:07:39 <adamw> aaand...abracadabra
00:07:50 * nirik just got home from his travels.
00:07:52 <adamw> there's now only one 'real' (not tracker) open bug, and that's in preupgrade, just waiting on feedback on the fix
00:08:03 <jlaska> adamw: bz?
00:08:13 <jlaska> nirik: welcome back
00:08:41 <adamw> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=587627
00:09:16 <jlaska> that bug has been confirmed, but now a new one needs to be fixed ...
00:09:44 <jlaska> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=592345
00:09:53 <jlaska> ^^^ introduced by the new preupgrade
00:10:08 <jlaska> hughsie is aware of the bug, and there is a tested patch available
00:10:26 <jlaska> I should catch up with hughsi to see if he needs anything else
00:10:30 <adamw> okay
00:10:47 <adamw> as long as we're looking on the track to having preupgrade in shape by the time the release actually happens, we don't need to worry
00:10:55 <jlaska> adamw: should that bug go onto F13Blocker?
00:11:11 <adamw> if it causes preupgrade not to work, hence breaking the criteria, sure.
00:11:27 <jlaska> okay
00:11:43 * jlaska adds
00:11:57 <fenris02> cant you simply push that update to f12 and f13-updates ?
00:12:54 <jlaska> fenris02: indeed, that's the plan.  Just need to keep it on the radar so it's pushed prior to F13 release
00:13:14 <Oxf13> what happens if it's not?
00:13:19 <adamw> world implodes
00:13:21 <jlaska> #info 1 remaining preupgrade bug -- fix needed by F-13 GA
00:13:23 <Oxf13> this is why I really don't like tracking F12 issues
00:13:30 <Oxf13> we're here to decide go, which means no turning back
00:13:31 <adamw> given that i have a plane to catch in seven hours, I am intending not to care
00:13:41 <adamw> let's pretend it's not a problem and fix it for f14.
00:13:48 <jlaska> Oxf13: it's possible, but unlikely for this particular issue
00:14:07 <Oxf13> my point is, if it was truly a blocker, we'd slip again.
00:14:12 <Oxf13> because it's not ready
00:14:13 <fenris02> seems to me that item is trivial in that it's already fixed ...
00:14:22 <Oxf13> if it's not a blocker, then we shouldn't even be talking about it
00:14:35 <jlaska> it's a GA blocker, but not a compose blocker
00:14:40 <Oxf13> that doesn't follow
00:14:42 <adamw> Oxf13: i understand the point. it's an entirely valid point. hence me saying not that it's not a valid point, but that i was hoping we could strategically ignore it.
00:15:12 <Oxf13> jlaska: we've already composed, and now we're deciding if what we composed will be the release or not, next Tuesday
00:15:31 <jlaska> Oxf13: correct, I understand the point
00:15:49 <Oxf13> I appreciate that we want to track the preupgrade issue, but either it's a blocker or not
00:15:57 <Oxf13> and that means we're either slipping (again), or it's not a blocker.
00:16:03 <jlaska> are you proposing we slip because the F-12 preupgrade package doesn't allow for upgrades right now?
00:16:04 <fenris02> preupgrade is only a breaking item if it's broken from f12 to f13 ... so it would go to f12-updates ... f13-updates can be done post-f13-rel.  imho, not an f13 blocking item
00:16:21 <adamw> look, i think we all understand there's an icky process issue to solve here
00:16:44 <adamw> and can we all agree that it's very unlikely to have a *practical* impact on this release, since the preupgrade bug will almost certainly be fixed before we release
00:16:46 <Oxf13> jlaska: I'm proposing we rule this not a blocker.
00:16:53 <adamw> and just freakin' solve it after we finish the meeting?
00:17:01 * adamw is +1 to that if it means he can go to bed
00:17:19 <Oxf13> adamw: that's essentially what I'm proposing.  The bug at hand is not a F13 blocker.
00:17:21 <MiKylie> yeh, worst case we add info to KnownBugs
00:17:39 <MiKylie> if it doesn't make to updates before GA, that is
00:17:44 <jlaska> Oxf13: we can solve this process issue post release
00:18:01 <Oxf13> jlaska: yeah, that's fine by me.
00:18:02 <jlaska> as adam said, we all know it's an oddball that doesn't fit nicely into our existin model
00:18:23 <Oxf13> (this also isn't the first time preupgrade has been in this situation)
00:18:30 <jlaska> right on
00:18:45 <jlaska> so I think we're all in agreement that the F-12 preupgrade package shouldn't block F-13 release
00:19:14 <adamw> okay, then don't make it a blocker.
00:19:17 <jlaska> #agree F-12 preupgrade packages don't impact decision to go / no go
00:19:21 <hno> +1 from me. That's fixable independent of the release.
00:19:31 <jlaska> we're all in rare form tonight :)
00:19:50 <jlaska> I'm just trying to be consistent with out we've handled preupgrade issues in F-12 and all of F-13
00:20:04 <adamw> worth briefly going through the bugs that showed up from the validation tests?
00:20:34 <jlaska> #info Validation test summary - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-May/091001.html
00:20:53 <jlaska> adamw: I'm fine without walking that list
00:20:54 * stickster is +1 on not blocking F-13 release on F-12 preupgrade, and we should make damn sure it's solved by GA.
00:21:10 * stickster catching up, sorry -- too many convos at once. eof
00:21:21 <adamw> okay. so we just note that we agree none of those bugs are blockers?
00:21:48 <jlaska> adamw: yeah, they're tagged appropriately for CommonBugs
00:21:59 <jlaska> if you like, we can walk through any that are of concern
00:22:10 <adamw> it's fine
00:22:54 <adamw> in that case not much more to say, is there?
00:23:05 <jlaska> shall we pull out the #agreed stamp?
00:23:21 <adamw> anyone have any concerns we didn't cover?
00:24:16 <jlaska> sounds like a no
00:24:23 <jlaska> Great release folks
00:24:26 <adamw> yaay
00:24:27 <fenris02> i have no objections
00:24:45 <jlaska> lots of positive take aways, pain points to give us plenty to build on between releases
00:24:58 <jlaska> #agreed F-13-RC3 meets Final release criteria - Go for launch!
00:25:02 <fenris02> g'night adamw :)
00:25:17 <jlaska> #topic What's next?
00:25:18 * adamw out of here, night all
00:25:26 <jlaska> adamw: g'nite sir!
00:25:29 <MiKylie> nite nite
00:25:39 <jlaska> Oxf13: anything else we need to cover here?
00:26:20 <Oxf13> I don't think so
00:26:55 * gholms will bring the fireworks to launch day
00:27:11 <jlaska> alrighty, I take it staging to mirrors begins tomorrow?
00:27:37 <ender2070> http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/05/fedora-13-delay-fixes-linux-gr.html  < -- who is this guy?
00:27:55 <Oxf13> jlaska: yep.
00:28:00 <jlaska> I'll send minutes to test@ and devel@
00:28:08 <jlaska> if anything else ... just shout
00:28:16 <jlaska> otherwise, we'll close this out in 2 minutes
00:28:24 <MiKylie> yay, the word is out about the grub bug
00:28:42 <ender2070> 'bug'
00:28:43 <ender2070> lol
00:28:47 <ender2070> i dont think it is
00:28:49 <MiKylie> it's not a bug, it's a feature
00:28:54 <ender2070> :)
00:29:11 <gholms> Nice job, everyone!
00:29:21 * jlaska drops 592345 from F13Blocker
00:29:40 <jlaska> #action jlaska to sync up with hughsi to see if he needs more testing on F-12 preupgrade
00:30:11 <jlaska> closing meeting in 10 seconds
00:30:44 <jlaska> thanks everyone.  Congrats all on F-13 :)
00:30:47 <jlaska> #endmeeting