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01:00:03 <makfinsky> Couldn't keep track of both meetings.
01:00:09 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting
01:00:13 <mock> first
01:00:14 <inode0> nice precision start
01:00:27 <makfinsky> Indeed.
01:00:27 <StabbyMc> inode0: I aims to please.
01:00:35 * spevack is lurking
01:00:39 <spevack> hey all
01:00:40 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Announcements
01:00:52 <StabbyMc> Who's got some announcements?
01:01:02 <makfinsky> We have most of the logistics and an agenda for fadna, don't we?
01:01:03 <inode0> I do
01:01:13 <VileGent> maybe even more
01:01:14 <spevack> makfinsky: we do.  I'm guessing inode0 will talk about that
01:01:15 * StabbyMc recognizes inode0
01:01:18 <inode0> Dear Fedora, stop being so cranky please.
01:01:25 <spevack> inode0: +1
01:02:08 <StabbyMc> spevack: what's up with RH looking for a new Fedora Project Lead?
01:02:10 * lcafiero announces he's on time for once and didn't have to sneak in the back door and sit in the back of the room.
01:02:26 <dmaxel> lcafiero: +1
01:02:32 * StabbyMc pats lcafiero on the head and gives him an 'atta boy!
01:02:48 <spevack> StabbyMc: that's a broad question.  Where would you like me to start my answer?
01:03:01 * StabbyMc scribbles this date in his notebook of doom "lcafiero spared wrath today"
01:03:02 <makfinsky> Wait, I thought we were talking about fadna?
01:03:17 <spevack> I thought we were too.  StabbyMc hold that question for later :)
01:03:20 * spevack yields to inode0
01:03:24 <StabbyMc> spevack: will do.
01:03:33 * inode0 thought we were on announcements
01:03:35 * StabbyMc passes the conch to inode0
01:03:42 * rbergeron refrains from making the star wars joke @lcafiero
01:03:47 * dmaxel thinks questions aren't announcements
01:03:53 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Ambassador Day
01:04:03 * StabbyMc re-passes the conch to inode0
01:04:12 <inode0> link please
01:04:25 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_NA_2010
01:04:31 <inode0> things are almost ready I believe, most people have travel arranged now
01:04:47 <inode0> agenda is still forming but looks like we'll have plenty
01:05:28 <inode0> everyone coming should continue to think about the agenda and please add things
01:05:38 <lcafiero> +1
01:05:40 <inode0> we can shuffle and reprioritize as needed
01:05:43 * rbergeron nods
01:06:00 * ianweller waves
01:06:19 <rbergeron> and just add them to the wiki - and make sure there is a description of a deliverable attached :)
01:06:19 <inode0> are there questions?
01:06:26 <makfinsky> ? Do we have all the accomodations worked out? That's the only logistic piece that I am unclear on.
01:07:02 <rbergeron> i don't know if we have hotel spots yet - spevack? :)
01:07:04 * spevack has to book a couple more hotel rooms, and threethirty needs to get his plane ticket.
01:07:10 <rbergeron> there we have it. :)
01:07:22 <spevack> for some reason, I couldn't purchase it for him.
01:07:34 <spevack> we need 3 more hotel rooms, which I'll handle.
01:07:44 <inode0> do we?
01:07:48 <spevack> Ivan/David, Larry/Justin, Robyn
01:08:18 <inode0> ok, so we are looking good
01:08:53 <inode0> we have a virtual reality break on Friday
01:09:20 <inode0> we have a special treat courtesy of dgilmore on Saturday
01:09:33 <inode0> and a lot of work both days
01:10:29 <inode0> is that enough from me on FADNA?
01:10:39 <makfinsky> inode0: +1
01:10:46 <StabbyMc> Anyone with more questions for inode0 on $TOPIC?
01:11:10 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Events
01:11:18 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
01:11:27 <dgilmore> inode0: a tasty event
01:11:41 <StabbyMc> Any events need some special TLC who aren't getting it?
01:12:34 <inode0> The summit is coming up but I've not had any time to spend on that yet this year - will as soon as I can though.
01:12:41 <lcafiero> I just set up the OSCON wiki page -- crossbytes, please note :-)
01:12:58 * lcafiero yields to inode0
01:13:01 <crossbytes> ok link?
01:13:36 <lcafiero> crossbytes: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OSCON_2010 -- needs updating. let's talk about this later.
01:13:54 <inode0> no need to yield to me, just mentioning the summit is only a month and a half off and reminding myself it needs attention
01:14:16 <lcafiero> same with OSCON -- just getting a head start.
01:15:29 * inode0 did see a lot of fosscon activity earlier today
01:15:37 <StabbyMc> Other events bits?
01:15:39 <laubersm> It looks like there will be a fad on the fri before Self - also in June
01:15:41 <VileGent> !
01:15:44 <VileGent> OLF
01:16:01 <VileGent> i have sent for info for getting a table at OLF
01:16:08 <VileGent> Fosscon
01:17:09 <VileGent> I was in contact with cprofitt about him working with a fedora booth but he is actually running the event so he cant run the table
01:17:44 <VileGent> threethirty  has volunteered to work the table but it will cost us travel
01:18:00 <VileGent> eof
01:18:37 <StabbyMc> Other events?
01:19:17 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Budget Review
01:19:22 <StabbyMc> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
01:19:54 <StabbyMc> spevack: you have anything on budget for us?
01:19:59 <VileGent> there is a fosscon page setup on the wiki
01:20:01 <inode0> not really a budget item now but the new shirts came in and are quite nice I think
01:20:20 <VileGent> inode0,  previous budget item?
01:20:27 <StabbyMc> inode0: are they in the hands of the regionals?
01:20:30 <inode0> yeah
01:20:46 <inode0> and having now seen the new clings and stickers those are quite nice too
01:20:49 <etank> inode0: is there a link with the tshirt design somewhere?
01:21:20 <spevack> StabbyMc: we're under absolutely no budget pressure, meaning more or less whatever you guys need/want, we can do.
01:21:25 <StabbyMc> is our Q1 budget getting bitten by F13 media?
01:21:29 <spevack> I owe Clint a final email with F13 media stuff.
01:21:34 <StabbyMc> Or is that Q2?
01:21:42 <spevack> StabbyMc: and yes, that's going to be a big number.
01:22:11 <herlo> spevack: yes you do, and soon!!
01:22:12 <StabbyMc> spevack so with tees (not on budget page) and media we're still under no pressure?
01:22:12 <spevack> StabbyMc: the truth is that it doesn't really matter that much.  We're so close to the end of the quarter anyway that we'll get the media into Q1, but the Q2 money starts to flow in only 3 weeks as it is.
01:23:08 <spevack> StabbyMc: IMHO, that's true.
01:23:31 <spevack> Pretty light spending in NA.  Taking media and tshirts into account, and I'd say we're about where we'd like to be, 1/4 through the year.
01:23:34 <StabbyMc> inode0; herlo; lcafiero; ke4qqq, I can do replenishments or additional orders of pens/stickers/clings easily enough.
01:23:44 <spevack> Figure we want to spend $25k-ish in NA for the year, not counting FUDCons and FADs.
01:23:51 <inode0> etank: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/archive/b/b0/20080903183451!Artwork_TShirt_i-f-freedom_blue.png is close
01:24:05 <lcafiero> +1 StabbyMc -- will take inventory
01:24:07 <etank> thanks inode0
01:24:30 <dmaxel> +1
01:24:35 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: it's not all about wanting inventory, what is needed?  all of them?
01:24:46 <herlo> StabbyMc: pens I need now, but otherwise, I'm good on most things now...
01:24:55 <lcafiero> off the top of my head, pens and buttons.
01:25:16 <lcafiero> stickers and clings I think we're good on for the wc event box
01:25:21 <StabbyMc> spevack: pens were somewhat spendy if I remember, something like $2500
01:25:38 <StabbyMc> Wait, no $1275
01:25:55 <StabbyMc> spevack would we be able to do a replenishment order on those?
01:25:57 <crossbytes> will have count for stickers and such in a few.. for wc event box
01:26:23 <spevack> StabbyMc: definitely
01:26:23 <lcafiero> right, the wc event box is living with crossbytes in vancouver wash until oscon
01:26:28 <lcafiero> fye
01:26:34 <lcafiero> fye=fyi
01:26:36 * ke4qqq is late sorry
01:26:44 <StabbyMc> spevack: last time we did weird billing, is that something you can CC now?
01:26:50 <VileGent> all event boxes are low on swag
01:27:04 * inode0 suggests bouncing around swag wants out of meeting
01:27:13 <lcafiero> +1
01:27:19 <StabbyMc> inode0: good plan.
01:27:21 <dmaxel> +1
01:27:23 <lcafiero> it can be discussed later and on-channel and on-list
01:27:30 <inode0> next meeting we have a plan though
01:28:38 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Test Days
01:28:46 <inode0> just a sec
01:29:02 <spevack> StabbyMc: yeah, I can pay on my credit card if it's around $1G
01:29:07 <spevack> er, $1k
01:29:09 <spevack> :P
01:29:17 <StabbyMc> spevack, cool I'll get an invoice for you.
01:29:33 <StabbyMc> inode0: you have more on budget?
01:29:36 <herlo> oh, I need buttons too, that's right...
01:29:37 <inode0> I think we should not forget to think about acquiring useful things that are persistent ... so let's consider banners/skirts/etc. as well in our thinking
01:29:40 <spevack> LOL @ $1G -- ONE BILLION DOLLARS on Daddy Shadowman's credit card, please
01:29:48 <rbergeron> one gazillion dollarz
01:30:01 <lcafiero> heh
01:30:08 * herlo guesses $1k
01:30:14 <dmaxel> spevack: +1
01:31:15 <StabbyMc> inode0: agreed.
01:31:33 * StabbyMc knows VileGent has dreams of a tableskirt.
01:31:47 <mock> or a table kilt
01:31:50 * inode0 has thought a little about whether we should get a small portable video camera
01:32:03 <StabbyMc> inode0: like a flip?
01:32:15 <inode0> something like that yeah
01:32:23 <StabbyMc> $100 or less.
01:32:32 <StabbyMc> inode0: you thinking event boxes?
01:32:34 * spevack continues to hold out hope that the infamous stolen fedora tablecloth from FUDCon Raleigh will magically re-materialize someday.
01:32:41 <lcafiero> for the event box or for the fad, inode0?
01:32:44 <rbergeron> something that has an external microphone plug would be good.
01:32:53 <VileGent> StabbyMc,  yeah but i still havent found anything under $300 each yet
01:33:01 <inode0> I was thinking for event boxes or other shipping so events could get some recording
01:33:38 <inode0> anyway, just a thought, let's move on
01:33:47 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Fedora Test Days
01:34:03 <StabbyMc> I don't know who's discussion item this is.
01:34:27 <VileGent> i think its been on the agenda to help with test days if possible
01:34:37 <inode0> I think that was a one time item that keeps showing up :)
01:34:40 <StabbyMc> Ok then...
01:34:47 <ke4qqq> it's a good point though
01:34:49 <ke4qqq> :)
01:34:53 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora NA Ambassadors Meeting - Unfinished Business/Open Floor
01:35:16 <spevack> StabbyMc you were asking about the FPL stuff?
01:35:22 <StabbyMc> spevack: so stickster is going somewhere in RHEL, so Fedora Project Lead is now open?
01:35:35 * ke4qqq has an item if it isn't too late
01:35:44 <spevack> StabbyMc: yep.  I think Paul blogged about all of this.  /me checks.
01:35:51 <rbergeron> yeah..... he did.
01:36:03 <VileGent> and so did Karlie
01:36:08 * StabbyMc has no link.
01:36:09 <spevack> right...
01:36:24 <inode0> StabbyMc: read the planet
01:36:44 <rbergeron> and smooge, and spevack as well. ;)
01:36:46 * dmaxel thinks we should yield to ke4qqq while people are searching
01:36:55 <spevack> yeah good idea
01:36:56 <lcafiero> second, dmaxel
01:36:57 <ke4qqq> dmaxel: mine might take a bit
01:37:06 <lcameron> go
01:37:08 <ke4qqq> but..... SELF is coming up in just over a month
01:37:09 <spevack> StabbyMc: http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=3085
01:37:10 <dmaxel> more time for people to look around, ke4qqq
01:37:17 <spevack> StabbyMc: http://spevack.livejournal.com/102890.html
01:37:30 <StabbyMc> spevack: sweet, I'll read up.
01:37:44 * herlo also has an item..
01:37:47 <ke4qqq> several things going on
01:37:50 <ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELF_2010
01:37:53 <inode0> and for what the real story is ... see f-d-l :)
01:38:13 <ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_@_SELF_2010
01:38:35 <spevack> inode0: some day you shall suffer troll's remorse :)
01:38:37 <ke4qqq> so we 'committed' to having a FAD - and they listed it as an option on registration - and now ~50 people are signed up to attend
01:38:43 <ke4qqq> spevack: heh
01:38:53 <ke4qqq> so 1. There's gonna be lots of potential contributors present
01:38:59 <lcafiero> wow.
01:39:03 <ke4qqq> that might need some pushing to get involved
01:39:28 <ke4qqq> (/me notes that we are still on the long end of the tail registration wise - and we've already had our room size bumped up
01:39:42 <makfinsky> Wow, indeed.
01:39:46 <ke4qqq> anyway - I have a conflict of interest as I am on the SELF board
01:39:54 * spevack fails to see the conflict :)
01:40:00 <herlo> lol
01:40:03 <ke4qqq> I'd love to see Fedora support SELF
01:40:16 <ke4qqq> ok - so perhaps I just want it VERY transparent
01:41:16 <spevack> I'll speak bluntly -- Fedora's doing a lot at SELF this year -- the FAD, talks, etc.  To take some of our budget and hand it to SELF as a general sponsorship contribution seems entirely appropriate to me.
01:41:17 <ke4qqq> so the first page I referenced has budget numbers, last year fedora gave self 1k, this year, what, if anything does famna want to do, do we need to pay for any one to attend (ianweller is speaking and some RHT employees who are Fedora contribs, but I am assuming they have separate budget)
01:41:36 <rbergeron> haha
01:41:41 <lcafiero> +1 spevack
01:42:19 <spevack> My travel to SELF, along with Ian's will come from my team's internal travel budget.
01:42:23 <ke4qqq> and then there's the FAD - though it's likely just going to be food expenses from what we see now.
01:42:31 <spevack> Won't touch the $$$ we have set aside for NA region.
01:43:13 <VileGent> ke4qqq,  as you tell the rest of us, create a wiki page with budget
01:43:15 <ke4qqq> but - 50 people who have essentially signed up to spend all day in a room to 'activity' on Fedora is going to need some people to help mentor them and get them involved - so I need/want people
01:43:29 * rbergeron can help wrangle, since she's tagging along with her sig0
01:43:33 <ke4qqq> ok - I'd like 1k from Fedora - I listed 500-1k on the wiki page
01:43:38 * lcafiero looks at his calendar . . .
01:44:04 <VileGent> i will be there friday afternoon-sunday noon
01:44:47 <lcafiero> ke4qqq, (gulp) nearest airport?
01:44:48 * dmaxel would like to note that he finally has a license and could drive to events that aren't too far away
01:44:53 <rbergeron> lcafiero: gsp
01:44:56 <spevack> I think we should support self for $1k and make sure that we appropriately staff the FAD, even if that means partial subsidies to a larger number of people to get there.  If even 20 people show up for a FAD, that really changes both (a) what we can do at the FAD, and (b) means that we want to have a good teacher:student ratio if you know what I mean.
01:45:29 <ke4qqq> well the concern we talked about with sparks (who has taken ownership of the FAD) is that we really can't operate as we traditionally have for a fad
01:45:38 <ke4qqq> because those tend to be VERY targeted
01:45:51 <ke4qqq> and it has (for better or worse) turned into something far more general
01:45:59 <spevack> ke4qqq: the name of it is less important to me than "we've got X number of people's attention, and what do we do with that time"
01:46:07 <ke4qqq> exactly
01:46:43 <ke4qqq> and people who are that willing to come spend some time with us - well we need to harvest them if possible
01:46:54 * rbergeron gets out the plow
01:47:11 <VileGent> ke4qqq,  what time is finish on sunday
01:47:20 <ke4qqq> the event of FAD?
01:47:30 <ke4qqq> bah
01:47:34 <ke4qqq> event OR FAD
01:47:39 <VileGent> either
01:47:48 <rbergeron> i thought fad was happening on friday.
01:47:52 <ke4qqq> event is 4ish or 5ish - I don't recall - FAD is yet to be determined
01:48:12 * ke4qqq really wishes sparks were here to talk about FAD
01:48:49 <ke4qqq> so we've talked about moving our traditional FAD stuff to friday
01:48:51 <VileGent> ke4qqq,  i am trying to figure what i can do time wise
01:49:05 <ke4qqq> I honestly don't know what sparks plan is on how to handle it
01:49:43 <ke4qqq> seeing the registration numbers took us a bit of fguard (we didn't realize it was even on the form, which is fail on my part - I communicated we wanted space, and never registered myself, so....)
01:50:08 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: the complication is that it's on the reg form for sunday
01:50:13 <rbergeron> do you know if those registered people are already involved in fedora?
01:50:15 <ke4qqq> so ~50 people already think it's then.
01:50:21 <inode0> perhaps a #fedora-fad meeting to get a handle on what is going to happen and figure out how much people support will be needed
01:50:39 <rbergeron> i mean - we've got proably 10 people in this meeting, plus another 10-15 i can think of offhand who are going.
01:50:42 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: the VAST majority are not. I can get a detailed list later this evening if it helps
01:50:57 <StabbyMc> in this instance FAD = Fedora Activity Day, yes?
01:51:15 <ke4qqq> I'll get a list and check
01:51:42 <VileGent> friday i have to wait till son finishes exam then we will come down
01:51:56 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: yes
01:52:14 <ke4qqq> EOF unless someone has questions
01:52:20 <rbergeron> okay - sooo it seems like we probably need some clarification on the wiki
01:52:36 <rbergeron> because the FAD @ SelF page shows friday as the date -
01:52:46 <rbergeron> but it seems like those topics are more geared towards general attendees possibly?
01:53:13 <StabbyMc> rbergeron: the SELF's own page has it on Sunday.
01:53:25 <ke4qqq> yes - sparks, stickster and I had a conversation in -docs that I should probably copy and paste to the fudcon-list
01:53:56 <rbergeron> right - which would make the date for that fad @ self sunday, and possibly regular-standard-fAd friday - we should just try to clarify, for those planning to attend. even if that clarification is, we don't know, still working on it, hang tight plz.
01:55:06 <ke4qqq> yep
01:55:21 <StabbyMc> Ok all, we're closing in at the end of our hour.
01:55:25 * ianweller waves again, back from driving
01:55:34 <StabbyMc> Anything pressing to cover in the last 5 minutes?
01:55:55 <makfinsky> Open item - I'll be presenting a solution at NovaLUG based on Fedora, "Building Stateful Firewall Clusters", this Sat @ 10am.
01:56:29 <makfinsky> I'll present the same at Melbourne, FL LUG in June as well.
01:56:40 <lcafiero> +1 for the space coast
01:56:41 <makfinsky> http://www.novalug.org/node/113
01:57:36 <StabbyMc> yea makfinsky!
01:58:03 <VileGent> makfinsky,  please put that on the event list
01:58:15 <inode0> makfinsky: nice
01:58:17 <makfinsky> VileGent: Good idea.
01:58:23 * inode0 wishes he could go
01:58:30 <grantbow_> +1 makfinsky
01:58:31 <ke4qqq> very nice makfinsky
01:58:37 <VileGent> i am trying to organize logistics for event box and vbanners to fosscon if needed
01:59:04 <makfinsky> Now I just need to actually work out the presentation...
01:59:35 <ke4qqq> can we send another regions event box to fosscon
01:59:53 <ke4qqq> otherwise there's no guarantee it will make it from SELF to FOSScon timely enough
02:00:03 <lcafiero> what's the time difference?
02:00:08 <ke4qqq> < 1 week
02:00:09 <lcafiero> in days?
02:00:11 <StabbyMc> OK, back to #fedora-ambassadors
02:00:11 <lcafiero> Hmmm.
02:00:14 <inode0> there will also be a fedora presentation at iowa state the week before fadna
02:00:16 <VileGent> ke4qqq,  if we send ours mel will take it from there and vbanners to the summit
02:00:19 <dmaxel> woooo!
02:00:23 <StabbyMc> Time to close the meeting
02:00:26 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting