05:01:45 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:01:45 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 22 05:01:45 2010 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
05:01:47 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
05:01:56 <juhp> welcome to the weekly i18n project meeting
05:02:34 <juhp> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-04-22
05:02:40 <juhp> is the agenda page
05:03:06 <juhp> #halp ;)
05:03:18 <juhp> who is here for the meeting?
05:03:53 <epico_laptop> hi
05:04:39 <juhp> hi epico_laptop
05:08:36 <juhp> ping tagoh, paragan, pravins, fujiwarat, et al
05:08:45 <fujiwarat> hi
05:09:03 <phuang> hi
05:09:08 <juhp> hi
05:09:11 <fujiwarat> juhp: it would be lunch time :).
05:09:23 <juhp> yeah..
05:09:35 <pravins> hi
05:09:45 <juhp> alright let's begin
05:09:54 <paragan> hi
05:10:23 <juhp> #topic scm-commits mails
05:11:32 <juhp> hmm this is kind of a long standing issue and I still hadn't worked out who to fix
05:12:13 <juhp> actually I am a little confused
05:12:22 <juhp> epico_laptop prompt it up again recently
05:13:08 * epico_laptop just begin to receive it. :)
05:15:13 <tagoh3> hi
05:17:36 <juhp> so pseudo-users have watchcommits set in pkgdb which bounces from mailman
05:17:51 <juhp> tagoh3: you had an idea to fix it on the mailman side?
05:18:23 <juhp> though we were talking if it is better not to give watchcommits to pseudousers by default
05:18:35 <tagoh3> juhp: maybe - to stop mails completely
05:18:49 <juhp> I had meant to follow up on that with infrastructure but didn't get round tuit
05:19:06 <tagoh3> juhp: but yeah, turning off watchcommits in pkgdb would be ideal rather than doing it.
05:19:54 <juhp> we can certainly do that retroactively, but don't really want to have to (remember to) do that for every new package added
05:20:21 <tagoh3> no way of changing the default in FAS?
05:25:05 <juhp> not currently
05:25:26 <tagoh3> juhp: thanks for asking :)
05:25:38 <juhp> yeah discussing now...
05:26:06 <juhp> alright let's move on
05:26:25 <juhp> #topic splitting meeting into fonts/rendering and IM/other?
05:27:01 <juhp> been thinking a bit about how to get more focus in the meetings
05:27:26 <juhp> earlier we had fonts and IM submeetings
05:27:49 <juhp> thinking again if it might be good to split off a rendering/fonts meeting
05:28:10 <juhp> to give more time for that - since we spend quite a lot of time on fonts/rendering issues
05:33:36 <pravins> i think fonts and rendering go together
05:33:44 <pravins> s/go/can go
05:35:58 <juhp> i tried asking nim-nim about having a fonts sig meeting
05:36:38 <juhp> but didn't get a answer yet
05:36:44 <tagoh3> aha
05:37:37 <juhp> well there is nothing to stop us from organizing a regular "Fonts SIG" meeting anyway official or "unofficial" I suppose - whether nim is able to attend is probably a different matter
05:39:56 <juhp> so assuming he can't attend for the moment I think tagoh3 could lead the rendering/fonts meet for us
05:40:18 <juhp> under the i18n project
05:40:37 <juhp> well guess rendering is kind of outside of Fonts scope anyway :)
05:40:49 <juhp> i18n leads Asian fonts side anyway
05:41:07 <tagoh3> right
05:41:20 <juhp> though it would be nice to have a regular Fonts SIG meeting too - monthly at least
05:41:38 <juhp> though we are not doing to badly with email/bugzilla...
05:41:57 <juhp> tagoh3: so probably have to think on best day - maybe Wed's?
05:42:53 <tagoh3> juhp: sure. sounds good to me
05:43:14 <juhp> then we would defer all fonts/rendering topics to the fonts meeting afap and keep this meeting for other/general fedora i18n discussion
05:43:25 <juhp> ok
05:47:30 <juhp> pravins: yeah
05:47:42 <juhp> any other comments or thoughts?
05:48:06 <juhp> paragan: ?
05:48:24 <juhp> otherwise we can move on
05:48:27 <juhp> to f13
05:48:28 <pravins> yep
05:48:35 <juhp> okay
05:48:46 <juhp> sorry bit of multitasking today...
05:48:56 <juhp> #topic F13
05:49:19 <paragan> np
05:49:41 * juhp listens to the cars piling into each other in the T-junction outside the office
05:49:56 <juhp> no blocker bugs
05:50:04 <juhp> at least when I looked earlier ;)
05:51:13 <juhp> epico_laptop: so ibus-handwrite still requires zinnia or not?
05:51:27 <juhp> bit confused by the comments in the zinnia-tomoe review
05:51:43 <juhp> and the general sidetracking about noarch/arch :-(
05:52:46 <epico_laptop> we tested the newest version of ibus-handwrite, its result is not good, visible lower than zinnia.
05:53:12 <epico_laptop> ibus-handwrite doesn't requires zinnia-tomoe now, but has lower correction rate.
05:53:19 <juhp> hmm
05:53:28 <juhp> ah optional or gone??
05:53:58 <epico_laptop> and in new version, the zinnia backend is gone I guess, not confirmed with the author.
05:54:06 <juhp> all the other target bugs are basically related to fonts .conf with binding="same"
05:57:17 <juhp_> anyway
05:57:39 <juhp_> silly network keeps closing our external connections here recently :(
05:58:18 <juhp_> epico_laptop: so they dropped zinnia support?
05:58:27 <epico_laptop> yes, I guess so.
05:58:36 <juhp_> why? :)
05:59:36 <juhp> hmm
05:59:48 <juhp> epico_laptop: we could ship earlier version?
06:00:16 <epico_laptop> handrecog_zinnia.c is gone from tar ball.
06:00:19 <epico_laptop> yes.
06:00:33 <juhp> epico_laptop: how about asking why?
06:00:44 <epico_laptop> I will ask him later.
06:00:45 <juhp> who is the author again?
06:00:47 <juhp> thanks
06:00:59 <epico_laptop> microcai
06:01:02 <epico_laptop> welcome.
06:01:20 <juhp> I see
06:02:47 <juhp> any other F13 bugs to highlight
06:03:34 <juhp> tagoh: you mentioned elsewhere some changes in behaviour after dropping binding="same"
06:03:49 <juhp> or should we wait for your comments in bz
06:04:01 <juhp> bit curious what kind of problems or changes you saw
06:06:41 <pravins> tagoh: thanks for your comment in bugzilla
06:06:48 <pravins> it really going to help lot
06:07:02 <pravins> i built mine all packages for binding=same
06:07:34 <juhp> pravins: any change?
06:07:49 <juhp> ah tagoh3
06:08:50 <juhp> anyway
06:09:33 <juhp> are there any other bugs we want to promote to target?
06:12:34 <pravins> juhp: not much
06:13:12 * pravins waiting for one karma for each package, to get it into stable update for f13
06:14:07 <juhp> pravins: yeah might be good to push them all together even
06:14:20 <juhp> pravins: <pravins> tagoh: thanks for your comment in bugzilla
06:14:27 <juhp> was asking about this comment
06:14:54 <juhp> well think that is enough for today
06:14:54 <pravins> aha, yeah he has tested package and given commented there
06:15:05 <juhp> pravins: and the comment was?
06:15:09 <pravins> :)
06:15:25 <pravins> on fontconfig tests
06:15:29 <juhp> lol
06:15:32 <pravins> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578030#c4
06:16:42 <juhp> thanks
06:16:55 <juhp> pravins: so just issue of as vs bn?
06:17:27 <pravins> hmm
06:17:46 <tagoh3> juhp: not really. implicit font selection etc
06:17:54 <pravins> need to do some changes in fonts as well in orth file may be
06:18:22 <pravins> for getting proper distinguish in between bengali and assamese language
06:18:47 <juhp> ok
06:19:03 <juhp> tagoh3: more issues?
06:21:21 <tagoh3> juhp: priority issue and..
06:21:25 <juhp> anyway guess we will finish the meeting here
06:21:27 <juhp> aha
06:21:49 <juhp> tagoh3: would be nice to see a summary or something
06:22:17 <juhp> so I am guessing they are not regressions but things that were hidden before with binding=same?
06:22:29 <juhp> or ?
06:22:45 <tagoh3> juhp: it's not side effects at all but separate issues from this.
06:24:06 <juhp> right
06:24:08 <juhp> cool
06:24:20 <juhp> that is what I wanted to hear :)
06:25:06 <juhp> thanks for the meeting everyone!
06:25:32 <juhp> #endmeeting