05:05:26 <tagoh3> #startmeeting i18n
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05:05:46 <tagoh3> #topic agenda
05:05:58 <tagoh3> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-04-08
05:06:02 <paragan> hi
05:06:05 <epico_laptop> hi
05:06:27 <tagoh3> hi guys. it's time for i18n meeting
05:07:12 <tagoh3> please add any topics to the agenda if you have anything else.
05:07:29 <nkumar> hi
05:07:46 <tagoh3> who else is here?
05:09:49 <phuang> hi
05:10:03 <tagoh3> hi
05:10:12 <tagoh3> okay, let's get started.
05:10:30 <tagoh3> #topic FAS i18n-team updated to i-b@fp.o (tagoh)
05:11:18 <tagoh3> I forget to say this one in the last meeting though, FAS account, i18n-team's email address has been changed to i18n-bugs@l.fp.o now.
05:11:56 <tagoh3> and bz as well. all bugs that contains f-i-b@r.c should be changed to it.
05:12:25 <paragan> ok
05:14:12 <tagoh3> #topic f13 relnotes
05:14:45 <tagoh3> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
05:15:23 <tagoh3> hmm, dunno if we need further actions on it?
05:16:06 <tagoh3> guess need to ping juhp for that
05:16:15 <paragan> ok
05:16:52 <paragan> I think we added all the important changes we saw in current F13 development cycle there
05:17:00 <tagoh3> yeah
05:17:42 <tagoh3> #topic dropping fontconfig lang binding="same" for f13 (tagoh)
05:18:33 <tagoh3> well, I hope nim-nim would takes any actions for that this week or next.
05:18:44 <paragan> ok
05:19:20 <tagoh3> it may be hard to see all fixes in beta perhaps.
05:19:55 <tagoh3> may be rather too late
05:20:04 <paragan> yes
05:20:47 <tagoh3> may be good to have milestone for 0-day updates.
05:21:39 <paragan> k
05:22:37 <tagoh3> okay, keep moving..
05:22:44 <tagoh3> #topic Splitting TC and SC
05:23:06 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: is there any updates?
05:24:19 <epico_laptop> They finally reached a agreement on font split.  A font conf demo and ReadMe on http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/
05:24:35 <tagoh3> cool
05:25:28 <epico_laptop> dychen_, kaio: could you check the TC part in the following mailing thread, as I am not a TC user.
05:25:42 <epico_laptop> http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-cn/browse_thread/thread/61709cc25950ff03
05:25:47 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: what's next step to do for this?
05:26:07 <dychen_> epico_laptop: Sure
05:26:27 <epico_laptop> dychen_: thanks.
05:27:24 <epico_laptop> tagoh3: I think it is to land the font conf changes on Fedora.
05:27:29 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: would be good to have a reviewer for new config on fonts list btw
05:28:06 <epico_laptop> tagoh3: sorry, I forget that. thanks. :)
05:28:22 <epico_laptop> Send a mail to mailing list?
05:28:27 <tagoh3> yeah
05:28:39 <epico_laptop> I see, will do it soon.
05:29:26 <dychen_> epico_laptop: shall I test the last one you post?
05:29:30 <tagoh3> #action dychen and kaio to check TC part for splitting.
05:30:18 <epico_laptop> dychen_: Great. the lastest one is on http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/, and ReadMe contains configuration steps.
05:30:39 <tagoh3> #action epico_laptop to send email to fonts list for new fontconfig config review
05:31:33 <tagoh3> shall we move on?
05:31:52 <tagoh3> #topic f13 bugs
05:33:13 <tagoh3> we seem missed yum-langpacks in f13 so bug 569352 should be moved into F13Target maybe.
05:33:57 <paragan> k
05:35:50 <tagoh3> anything else you are concerned on bugs?
05:37:09 <paragan> nothing for now
05:37:28 <tagoh3> okay, move on.
05:37:40 <tagoh3> #topic relicensing of Lohit/Liberation?? (pravins)
05:37:49 <tagoh3> from the i18n list..
05:39:37 <tagoh3> no pravins here?
05:39:47 <paragan> I think we can move this topic to next meeting as pravins is not available now
05:39:54 <tagoh3> okay
05:40:08 <tagoh3> #topic new Liberation Fonts contributions coming (kaio)
05:40:47 <kaio> SUN dev have created "Liberation Narrow"
05:41:01 <kaio> looks like Arial Impact
05:41:27 <tagoh3> is it in liberation fonts upstream?
05:41:35 <kaio> metadata should be done, am following up to get it into src repo
05:41:49 <kaio> tagoh3⚙ we are upstream :)
05:42:37 <kaio> except if there is a renew of license with original manufacturer
05:42:46 <tagoh3> kaio: yeah, I know :) just wanted to clarify if they maintain it separately
05:43:00 <kaio> anyways hopefully will get that into repo by early next week
05:43:34 <tagoh3> as another fonts
05:43:36 <kaio> tagoh3⚙ I will share repo for them, whether they will join or not is unknown atm.
05:43:44 <tagoh3> aha
05:43:54 <kaio> will get back in next meeting
05:44:05 <tagoh3> ok, thanks
05:44:11 <kaio> np
05:44:42 <tagoh3> #topic ibus-table and m17n packaging reorganization (kaio,paragan)
05:45:10 <kaio> proposing ibus-table-* from 33 pkgs into 3 pkgs:
05:45:35 <kaio> ibus-table-cangcan, ibus-table-xingyin, ibus-table-others. each has 11 tables within
05:46:46 <kaio_monolith> <kaio> proposing ibus-table-* from 33 pkgs into 3 pkgs:
05:46:48 <kaio_monolith> <kaio> ibus-table-cangcan, ibus-table-xingyin, ibus-table-others. each has 11 tables within
05:47:06 <tagoh3> kaio_monolith: what's the point for this reorganization?
05:47:35 <kaio_monolith> proposed to original author of ibus-table, acevery; generally he supported the motive but wanted to have a look of the scheme
05:48:16 <kaio_monolith> tagoh3⚙ effort of maintenance
05:48:57 <kaio_monolith> tagoh3⚙ dont want to be working busy but be blaming lazy
05:49:12 <tagoh3> still keeping subpackages for -cangcan and -xingyin is due to the package size?
05:49:28 <kaio_monolith> tagoh3⚙ I dont mind
05:50:27 <paragan> New m17n packages are not built in F14. These packages now no longer provides language based subpackaging.
05:50:36 <paragan> s/not/now
05:51:09 <tagoh3> have we also updated comps for that right?
05:51:16 <kaio_monolith> there is a active reviewer could help me get all pkgs reviewed timely
05:51:19 <paragan> I have sent mail to i@l.f.o
05:51:44 <paragan> not yet I will update comps soon
05:51:46 <kaio_monolith> but still havent decided to have them pushed to F-13
05:51:58 <tagoh3> aha
05:52:02 <paragan> by today only
05:54:46 <tagoh3> ah, misunderstood that - upstream merged separated ibus-table-* into ibus-table. so we need to do the package review for that again. I see
05:55:12 <tagoh3> okay
05:55:50 <kaio_monolith> no ibus-table is still ibus-table
05:55:59 <kaio_monolith> no tables in the ibus-table
05:56:25 <tagoh3> ah, ibus-table-others. sorry :)
05:56:48 <tagoh3> we don't have subpackages for that right?
05:58:08 <kaio_monolith> tagoh3⚙ you could
05:58:17 <kaio_monolith> sth like ibus-table-others-latin
05:58:22 <kaio_monolith> sth like ibus-table-others-cyrillic
05:58:27 <kaio_monolith> sth like ibus-table-others-code
05:59:46 <tagoh3> sure. well, I don't mind if it keeps usability and visibility.
06:00:13 <tagoh3> on ibus
06:01:06 <tagoh3> #topic open space
06:01:29 <tagoh3> anything else you want to talk?
06:01:44 <paragan> nothing from my side
06:01:44 <kaio_monolith> there is a glossary spreadsheet for chinese community
06:02:02 <tagoh3> aha
06:02:17 <tagoh3> for what?
06:02:32 <kaio_monolith> its link was posted on l10n list also
06:02:36 <kaio_monolith> for l10n
06:03:11 <tagoh3> aha
06:03:23 <kaio_monolith> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Av2Nh83ucp7fdE8zV3hRbk9QU2ZFdlBJbjdmZXV2dEE&hl=en_GB
06:03:55 <kaio_monolith> en to {zh_TW,zh_CN,zh_HK}
06:03:57 <tagoh3> cool
06:05:46 <kaio_monolith> nth from me then
06:05:59 <tagoh3> kaio_monolith: thanks for your information.
06:06:24 <tagoh3> anything else? if not, let's close the meeting shortly.
06:07:33 <kaio_monolith> np
06:07:58 <tagoh3> thanks everyone for the meeting.
06:08:04 <tagoh3> #endmeeting