20:07:33 <liknus> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors Meeting 2010-03-31
20:07:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 31 20:07:33 2010 UTC.  The chair is liknus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:07:41 <liknus> #chair kital
20:07:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus
20:07:47 <liknus> #chair spevack
20:07:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: kital liknus spevack
20:08:04 <liknus> Hello to all my fellow Ambassadors!
20:08:14 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2010-3-31
20:08:30 <liknus> This is today's agenda.. So lets get started
20:08:32 <sspreitzer> hail liknus
20:08:34 <sspreitzer> :)
20:08:35 <constanton> hi everyone
20:08:41 <liknus> #topic RollCall
20:08:49 <liknus> .fas ppapadeas
20:08:50 <zodbot> liknus: ppapadeas 'Papadeas Pierros' <ppapadeas@gmail.com>
20:08:54 <sspreitzer> .fas sspreitzer
20:08:56 <cmpahar> .fas cmpahar
20:08:56 <spevack> .fas mspevack
20:08:58 <zodbot> sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' <sascha@spreitzer.name>
20:08:59 <liknus> Please state your fas name after .fas
20:09:03 <zodbot> cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' <cmpahar@gmail.com>
20:09:07 <MooDoo> .fas paulmellors
20:09:07 <zodbot> spevack: mspevack 'Max Spevack' <mspevack@redhat.com>
20:09:11 <zodbot> MooDoo: paulmellors 'Paul Mellors' <prjmellors@gmail.com>
20:09:33 <hno> .fas hno
20:09:35 <zodbot> hno: mostanser 'Mostanser Billah' <billahnorm@gmail.com> - debloxie 'DEBO OGUNRINDE' <debo@casttechnologies.com> - mounis 'moones ben khelifa' <projects@technodealer.net> - gkhnoisgtht 'Daniel Picard' <m81a12@gmail.com> - froncko 'Bob Froncko' <rfroncko@trinitytechnologies.com> - ufa 'Fabio Araujo' <ufa@technotroll.org> - vishnu046 'vishnu kumar' <manthrytechnologies@gmail.com> - romarios 'Roman S.' (8 more messages)
20:09:35 <constanton> .fas constanton
20:09:37 <acaleechurn> .fas acaleechurn
20:09:40 <zodbot> constanton: constanton 'Konstantinos Antonakoglou' <anton.cost@gmail.com>
20:09:44 <zodbot> acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' <acaleechurn@gmail.com>
20:09:57 <delhage> .fas delhage
20:09:59 <zodbot> delhage: delhage 'Lars Delhage' <delhage@gmail.com>
20:10:04 <hno> .fasinfo hno
20:10:08 <zodbot> hno: User: hno, Name: Henrik Nordström, email: henrik@henriknordstrom.net, Creation: 2008-05-13, IRC Nick: hno, Timezone: Europe/Stockholm, Locale: en, Extension: 5104842, GPG key ID:  5459E75E90C039CC33DB, Status: active
20:10:12 <zodbot> hno: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done packager fedorabugs
20:10:32 <liknus> Ok lets proceed with our Announcements
20:10:38 <liknus> #topic Announcements
20:11:00 <liknus> Kital (Joerg Simons) could not make it for today's meeting
20:11:26 <liknus> But he was kind enough to brief me on the FAmSCo topics :)
20:11:42 <liknus> So Famsco is working on a wiki page
20:11:44 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure
20:12:07 <sspreitzer> +1
20:12:12 <spevack> I guess the big announcement for EMEA folks is that FUDCon Zurich is official now -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Zurich_2010
20:12:29 <MooDoo> :)
20:12:32 <liknus> Here you can find the Ambassadors project structure. There is nothing brand new.. just a nice wiki page to round everything up
20:12:52 <cmpahar> +1
20:13:17 <liknus> I left it for the end of Announcements but as you wish spevack :)
20:13:59 <spevack> liknus: carry on :)
20:14:02 <liknus> So anyone willing to contribute on the FUDCON is advised to write his name on the wiki page and get started :)
20:14:11 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Zurich_2010_planning
20:14:25 <liknus> This is the planning page for anyone interested
20:14:38 <cmpahar> ?
20:15:06 <liknus> Don't forget to sign up for the event and state what you will do on the accomodation in order for the organizers to be ready for the event
20:15:10 <liknus> cmpahar, go ahead
20:15:33 <cmpahar> can anyone help, or just only people from Zurich?
20:15:40 <spevack> anyone can help
20:15:46 <spevack> but we always try to make sure
20:15:52 <sspreitzer> !
20:15:54 <spevack> that we have at least one or two people who are local
20:16:06 <spevack> because they can actually go talk to people face to face, and speak the local language.
20:16:09 <spevack> EOF
20:16:13 <liknus> You can help by marketing material, spreading the word or even giving some love on the wiki cmpahar
20:16:32 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:16:36 <sspreitzer> yep
20:16:56 <sspreitzer> if IBM extents  my contract over july til end of 2010
20:17:02 <sspreitzer> i can assist in Zurich
20:17:15 <sspreitzer> Zurich is 1h from Basel
20:17:19 <sspreitzer> by train
20:17:20 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:17:42 <liknus> I advise ypu to contact the event owners so you can state the availability to them :)
20:17:50 <sspreitzer> actually im part of of the FrOSCamp team as wall
20:17:51 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:18:06 <liknus> Ah ok.. so you are in contact with them.. nice :)
20:18:12 <sspreitzer> I am them
20:18:14 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:18:15 <sspreitzer> :P
20:18:17 <liknus> :P
20:18:21 <liknus> ok ..moving on
20:18:32 <liknus> Any questions regarding FUDCON?
20:18:45 <MooDoo> it will be my first :D
20:19:17 <spevack> Everyone should try to find one person who they work with or go to school with who cares about open source or Linux, and convince them to come :)
20:19:53 <liknus> Also FYI, the sister FUDCON of EMEA FUDCON will be held in Santiago, Chile from July 15-17.
20:20:05 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Santiago_2010
20:20:26 <spevack> FUDCon North America will probably be in December 2010, and we're not sure what the plan for India is yet.
20:20:54 <spevack> But the goal is to have FUDCon in each region of the world during the same 3 month block each year.
20:21:20 <spevack> this way the costs are spread out
20:21:21 <spevack> EOF
20:21:31 <liknus> That's nice spevack. I hope we will succeed on that :)
20:21:59 <liknus> Ok, anyone wants to share a review from a past event?
20:22:07 <sspreitzer> !
20:22:17 <liknus> sspreitzer, go ahead
20:22:23 <sspreitzer> one second please
20:22:48 * sspreitzer is searching a link
20:23:11 <sspreitzer> #link http://kitall.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-expo-2010-bern.html
20:23:13 <sspreitzer> well
20:23:17 <sspreitzer> its not my link
20:23:21 <sspreitzer> eh Blog
20:23:38 <sspreitzer> but kital wrote an nice article.
20:23:49 <sspreitzer> mine is still a draft one, will post it next meeting
20:23:51 <sspreitzer> but
20:24:02 <sspreitzer> smth great happened at the OpenExpo
20:24:17 <sspreitzer> we stood there and there cam a guy called Amit and said
20:24:35 <sspreitzer> "Hey, im from Fedora Project and im from Mauritius"
20:24:44 <liknus> That's wonderful! :)
20:24:50 <sspreitzer> and fitted his Polo shirt and stood with us at the booth
20:24:56 <spevack> yeah, Amit Caleechurn
20:25:00 <sspreitzer> thanks to acaleechurn
20:25:07 <spevack> i've never met him, but I know his name.  That's cool!
20:25:10 <sspreitzer> that was a great moment
20:25:23 <spevack> sspreitzer: file that under "Friends"
20:25:43 <sspreitzer> actually we are planning on a 4 weeks delivery of me to Mauritius
20:26:01 <sspreitzer> and maybe an event in Mauritius to attract more contributors
20:26:09 <sspreitzer> in the Africa region
20:26:18 <sspreitzer> thanks again to acaleechurn
20:26:20 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:26:51 <liknus> Nice sspreitzer thanks for the review:) Good luck with the contacts eith Africa and keep us updated :)
20:27:15 <acaleechurn> the pleasure of coming to the event was actually shared :-)
20:27:30 <liknus> We in Greece, had a nice event called Open Fest 2010
20:27:36 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenFest_2010
20:27:51 <liknus> We had the chance to experiment with many things on the booth
20:28:00 <liknus> #link http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?p=76
20:28:09 <liknus> That's my blog post on the event
20:28:44 <liknus> We made some custom signs, we used dual-projector setups and run a Translation Marathon!
20:29:18 <spevack> it looks great!  The translation focus, in particular, is very cool.  I like that Greece has become the center of all Fedora i18n :)
20:29:29 * heffer joins in late
20:29:53 <sspreitzer> spevack, +1
20:29:55 <liknus> We attracted some new contributors mainly on l10n and some new ambassadors had their chance to shine on booth :)
20:30:04 <cmpahar> !
20:30:43 <liknus> We are working on a bigger booth and presence on FossComm 2010 (biggest foss event in Greece) cmpahar is the event owner and the organizer
20:30:45 <liknus> cmpahar,
20:31:21 <cmpahar> there is a very big community growing here  in Greece and the magic thing is that there are all contributors. Translators, ambassadors,
20:32:05 <cmpahar> we are also finishing up the greek fedora forum (thanks liknus ) and we are re organizing the greek community site.
20:32:27 <cmpahar> there is a lot of magic here in Greece and I am so proud of it !!!!
20:32:30 <spevack> How can we continue to support all of this great work with budget and other stuff?
20:32:43 <cmpahar> i am sure that we will have more news in the nexr meeting
20:32:44 <cmpahar> EOF
20:32:48 <heffer> !
20:32:53 <cmpahar> *s/nexr/next
20:32:58 * spevack notes that we're on pace to finish the quarter under budget for EMEA, unless we're planning to spend 4000 EUR all on media.
20:32:59 <liknus> On budget side spevack we may need some on swag
20:33:23 <liknus> We may contact you?
20:33:28 <spevack> of course.
20:33:32 <cmpahar> spevack, swag is always welcome! or to budget the creation of budget here in Greece
20:33:35 <heffer> make sure to talk with redhat on trademark stuff. otherwise you might not be allowed to use fedora in your urls
20:33:51 <cmpahar> heffer, we are always aware of that. Thanks :)
20:34:12 * sspreitzer reminds on meeting rules
20:34:17 <liknus> heffer, we are in contact with Paul on that :) That's why we took over the site administration and began to reform it
20:35:07 <liknus> spevack, tomorrow we are having our regional IRC meeting...so after that we will contact you with details on materials and budget :)
20:35:13 <spevack> perfect, liknus
20:35:37 <liknus> #action liknus contact spevack for swag and budget for Greece
20:35:47 * cmpahar at our regional meeting we always have 10 people present. and the ~2 of them are always new!
20:36:11 <spevack> Greece is soon to be the biggest collection of EMEA contributors, it seems.
20:36:26 * spevack starts thinking about FUDCon Athens 2011
20:36:27 <spevack> EOF
20:36:30 <liknus> We are working on it spevack  :)
20:36:30 <sspreitzer> !
20:36:40 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:36:46 <sspreitzer> thanks
20:37:04 <delhage> make me think of (OT): Athens Marathon 2500 anniversary
20:37:24 <sspreitzer> By looking back i see to found a community thing on slid ground always meant to have a solid infrastsucture
20:38:07 <sspreitzer> by looking at the amount of contributors in greece i think we should try and think about a possbile more deeper focus in the africa region?
20:38:29 <sspreitzer> i have been advised to speak with the ubuntu folks about that
20:38:36 <sspreitzer> any opinions?
20:38:37 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:38:40 <cmpahar> +1
20:38:42 <MooDoo> !
20:39:30 <liknus> sspreitzer, You are talking about the possibility Greece helps the Africa region due to proximity? :S
20:40:04 <MooDoo> sspreitzer: you might want to get hold of Jono Bacon - Ubuntu Community Manager
20:40:04 <liknus> (cultrural, geographical etc?)
20:40:05 <sspreitzer> i am talking about starting t Q&A in greece to tune things in greece up
20:40:33 <sspreitzer> and to enable more people in the africa region
20:41:18 <sspreitzer> eeee
20:41:21 <sspreitzer> QA
20:41:26 <sspreitzer> quality assurance
20:41:28 <sspreitzer> ^^
20:41:30 <sspreitzer> EOF
20:41:52 <liknus> OK maybe we should have a special IRC meeting on Africa expansion. inviting anyone involved and have some brainstorming :)
20:42:01 <liknus> spevack, what do you think?
20:42:02 <cmpahar> +1
20:42:11 <t2hot> +1
20:42:14 <acaleechurn> +1
20:42:27 <sspreitzer> +1
20:42:34 <constanton> +1
20:43:38 <liknus> MooDoo,
20:44:10 <MooDoo> liknus: sorry it was just a suggestion to sspreitzer regarding Ubuntu, maybe he should try get hold of Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager....
20:44:34 <sspreitzer> MooDoo, great, thank you will do that
20:44:57 <MooDoo> nice chap, is in US originally from UK :)
20:44:58 <MooDoo> EOF
20:45:18 <liknus> #action liknus organizes a Special "Africa Expansion" meeting on IRC inviting anyone willing to involve
20:45:34 <liknus> Ok moving on...
20:45:42 <liknus> #topic Events
20:45:51 <spevack> liknus: i know we have some folks in Egypt who are very eager to get involved, so I think that will be a good meeting
20:46:05 * cmpahar many action items on liknus . maybe somenone else is willing to assist
20:46:24 <liknus> ill keep you in mind cmpahar :)
20:46:38 <sspreitzer> !
20:46:41 <liknus> Ok next event in EMEA region seems to be Load 2010
20:46:44 <liknus> sspreitzer,
20:47:03 * cmpahar liknus i am talking about me. I am talking about anyone because i know your daily schedule
20:47:03 <sspreitzer> is it ok if I write a mail to the list for the africa effort?
20:47:12 <spevack> +1
20:47:17 <cmpahar> +1
20:47:35 <t2hot> +1
20:47:37 <liknus> + 1 begin a discussion that will end on a meeting
20:47:54 <liknus> *conclude on a meeting :)
20:48:03 <sspreitzer> #action sspreitzer writes a mail to the mailing list about EMEA Africa region begging for a meeting
20:48:20 <sspreitzer> did that work?
20:48:36 <cmpahar> +1
20:48:39 <liknus> It will be a little "set up" but ok :)
20:49:53 <liknus> Now on Load 2010
20:49:57 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Load_2010
20:50:12 <liknus> bertie is the event owner .. but he is not here..
20:50:24 <liknus> Anyone something on that?
20:50:58 <liknus> ok c,
20:51:33 <liknus> Anything anyone on an upcoming event?
20:51:43 <MooDoo> !
20:51:51 <liknus> MooDoo,
20:52:49 <MooDoo> i'm going to this event - http://oggcamp.org/
20:53:10 <MooDoo> it's an unconference
20:53:31 <MooDoo> will probably be lots of ubuntu people, but i'm sure i can convert then ;) lol
20:53:35 <MooDoo> EOF
20:53:46 <biertie> pong
20:54:26 <MooDoo> biertie: we were on about load2010 earlier
20:54:29 <liknus> MooDoo, you could propably organize a Fedora Presence there
20:54:47 <liknus> Some flyers maybe and of course some media
20:54:47 <biertie> I can't do both, also, we don't do booths
20:55:00 <MooDoo> liknus: i'm already on that :) but being part of the crew might be a little difficult, i'll work on something though
20:55:07 <biertie> ach, now oggcamp, srry
20:55:12 <liknus> thanks MooDoo :)
20:55:28 <liknus> biertie, lets fall back to Load 2010.. update us :)
20:55:58 <biertie> well, there will be 2 fedora talks during LOAD ( loupgaroublond & kanarip)
20:56:16 <biertie> the event is sponsored by Fedora for a small amount of money
20:56:25 <liknus> (some of our finests' contributors :) )
20:56:37 <biertie> so I think luka will join us too, and bring a fedora banner
20:56:52 <biertie> *luca
20:57:10 <liknus> nice biertie  :) Anyting more you might need? media etc?
20:57:16 <biertie> but I still have to have confirmation
20:57:25 <biertie> I have F12 dvd's here
20:57:38 <biertie> so I'll hand those out
20:57:57 <biertie> and I have some 30usb sticks
20:58:14 <biertie> but I'm not sure if I'll use them for load, or the next release party
20:58:36 <liknus> Maybe for a release party is better IMHO
20:58:51 <biertie> uhu
20:59:12 <liknus> Ok biertie ! We are waiting for photos and posts then :)
20:59:19 <biertie> liknus: ok! :)
20:59:41 <liknus> Moving on then...
20:59:53 <liknus> #topic Reviewing previous items
21:00:01 <liknus> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-17/fedora-meeting.2010-03-17-20.08.html
21:00:12 <sspreitzer> !
21:00:38 <liknus> On our previous meeting sspreitzer was kind enough to share with us the new procedure for media request on EMEA
21:01:02 <liknus> spevack, summarized it on http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-17/fedora-meeting.2010-03-17-20.08.html
21:01:07 <liknus> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-17/fedora-meeting.2010-03-17-20.08.html
21:01:11 <liknus> thanks spevack :)
21:01:17 <liknus> sspreitzer, go ahead...
21:01:27 <sspreitzer> Yes
21:01:40 <liknus> sorry the last link was that
21:01:42 <liknus> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Media_production#EMEA_2
21:02:05 <sspreitzer> please everyone who wants to have his opinion within the new Media procedures
21:02:12 <sspreitzer> contribute into the wiki
21:02:19 <sspreitzer> and/or to the mailing list
21:02:31 <liknus> (what page of the wiki sspreitzer ? the afore mentioned?)
21:02:33 <sspreitzer> iw ould love to see some helping hands
21:02:36 <liknus> above*
21:02:45 <sspreitzer> yep, the one you pasted
21:03:22 <liknus> nice sspreitzer :) thanks a lot for taking care of the whole procedure. You are doing an excellent job!
21:03:29 <sspreitzer> otherwise I will start by the next meeting to negotiate with the depending parties for the F13 production
21:03:52 <sspreitzer> artwork, media company, etc..
21:03:55 <sspreitzer> EOF
21:04:04 <liknus> Anything more on that anyone?
21:04:44 <liknus> Ok so I guess it is time for Open Floor!
21:04:47 <liknus> #topic Open Floor
21:04:53 <sspreitzer> !
21:04:59 <t2hot> !
21:05:04 <liknus> sspreitzer,
21:05:47 <sspreitzer> I just wanted to say once more thank you all ambassadors, even to those who do not attend the regular meetings. Like Fabian Affolter, who did a great job.
21:06:01 <sspreitzer> For the OpenExpo in Berne
21:06:41 <sspreitzer> Thank you Amit Caleechurn for attending in Berne
21:06:49 <sspreitzer> and contributing
21:07:05 <sspreitzer> thank you Max Spevack for havin RedHat sponsoring as so much
21:07:12 <sspreitzer> and me in special, too
21:07:15 <sspreitzer> EOF
21:07:30 <liknus> t2hot,
21:08:47 <t2hot> I'm just wondering if there is a way to help Ambassadors in Africa get media. There's not enough bandwidth to obtain and circulate the DVDs from online sources
21:09:22 <acaleechurn> !
21:09:40 <sspreitzer> !
21:09:48 <liknus> I guess media production is the answer.. but we need to have specific needs and specific people to get them
21:09:51 <liknus> acaleechurn,
21:09:59 <t2hot> Could I suggest a complementary DVD copy for Ambassadors in low bandwidth areas?
21:10:13 <t2hot> EOF
21:10:27 <acaleechurn> spoke to jsimon about media some time back, its far too expensive to ship to africa
21:10:55 <sspreitzer> !!
21:10:59 <t2hot> !
21:11:23 <liknus> eof acaleechurn ?
21:12:10 <liknus> ok sspreitzer :) go ahead
21:12:55 <sspreitzer> ok
21:13:10 <sspreitzer> we have a fundamental problem abt Africa
21:13:19 <sspreitzer> we still lack ppl from there
21:13:31 <sspreitzer> with the insider knowledge and the connections
21:13:38 <sspreitzer> we need ambassadors
21:13:44 <t2hot> !
21:13:52 <sspreitzer> EOF
21:14:11 <liknus> We should send some of us down there on major events to MAKE Ambassadors :)
21:14:12 <liknus> t2hot,
21:14:34 <sspreitzer> !
21:14:58 <t2hot> The problem is that existing Ambassadors are not meeting up.  I get demands I can't meet.
21:15:42 <t2hot> acaleechurn: cost is not an issue ... some of us need only a copy of the OS to fly
21:16:05 <sspreitzer> <t2hot> acaleechurn: cost is not an issue ... some of us need only a copy of the OS to fly
21:16:07 <t2hot> live CDs are on low demand here
21:16:15 <acaleechurn> sorry connection issue
21:16:21 * liknus thanks sspreitzer
21:16:32 <acaleechurn> !
21:17:02 <sspreitzer> so
21:17:12 <sspreitzer> what i think we should do is
21:17:12 <liknus> I thing that we need to discuss the Africa issue more thorowly on the Africa Special Meeting
21:17:15 <t2hot> High internet cost also affect involvement so its not easy to determine the availability of Ambassadors here
21:17:29 <sspreitzer> what i think we should do is
21:17:47 <sspreitzer> I set aside a special amount of i686 DVDs
21:17:56 <liknus> Please respect meeting protocol :)
21:18:04 <sspreitzer> ouch ok
21:18:05 <sspreitzer> !
21:18:11 <t2hot> EOF
21:18:20 <liknus> ok ok go ahead... just a general notice sspreitzer :)
21:18:26 <sspreitzer> hehe
21:18:42 <sspreitzer> set aside an amount of i686 F13 Media
21:18:50 <sspreitzer> for spreading it in Africa
21:18:57 <sspreitzer> and
21:19:30 <sspreitzer> we might go into this topic deeper in an EMEA Africa meeting ?
21:19:32 <liknus> I think that all those ideas need to be stated on the special meeting formally.. not on a Open Floor :)
21:20:00 <t2hot> +1 linkus
21:20:04 <cmpahar> +1
21:20:32 <liknus> Ok nice... Anything more on Open Floor except the Africa Issue?
21:20:50 <liknus> I shall end the meeting in 2 minutes
21:21:56 * sspreitzer is happy
21:21:59 <sspreitzer> :)
21:22:11 <liknus> 1 minute to end
21:22:22 <liknus> sspreitzer, why so happy? :)
21:22:31 <sspreitzer> because i meet friends here
21:22:33 <sspreitzer> :)
21:22:46 <liknus> :D that's a nice thing you say sspreitzer :)
21:23:00 <MooDoo> even better if you're going to zurich in september?
21:23:01 <liknus> Thanks all for attending! See ya on the next meeting!
21:23:11 <MooDoo> thanks liknus :)
21:23:47 <liknus> #endmeeting