18:18:00 <Oxf13> #startmeeting Fedora Release Engineering Meeting
18:18:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Feb 19 18:18:00 2010 UTC.  The chair is Oxf13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:18:10 <Oxf13> #meetingname fedora-releng
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18:18:17 <Oxf13> #topic roll call
18:18:38 <Oxf13> ping: notting jwb lmacken rdieter wwoods spot poelcat dgilmore
18:18:49 * notting is here
18:18:57 <jwb> be here in a minute.  responding to an email without trying to sound like a dickhead
18:19:18 <rdieter> yo
18:19:21 * dgilmore 
18:19:45 <rdieter> jwb: the fab thing?  (if so, probably best to just let it go)
18:23:47 <Oxf13> alright, lets get started
18:24:21 <Oxf13> #topic Old Business (SOPs)
18:24:41 <Oxf13> poelcat won't be here today but he wanted us tot alk about the SOPs for last week/this week
18:24:57 <Oxf13> Last week we asked luke to write out what needs to be done to enable a new release in bodhi
18:25:00 <Oxf13> and he did that
18:25:14 <Oxf13> #info luke wrote out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi_Infrastructure_SOP#Adding_a_new_pending_release
18:25:30 <Oxf13> so that one is done, will just have to get linked in the right places
18:26:26 <Oxf13> as for this week, I have a pile of gnotes regarding some of the stuff I had to do this last week for nfr and branching an such
18:26:36 <Oxf13> so I'll clean up one of them and deliver it to poelcat for getting into the wiki
18:27:00 <Oxf13> #action Oxf13 will get another SOP ready for poelcat this coming week
18:27:16 <Oxf13> I also updated a number of the SOPs that already existed as I ran through them.
18:27:39 <Oxf13> any further thoughts on SOPs?
18:28:08 <dgilmore> none right now
18:28:17 <dgilmore> I know i need to do some for secondary arches
18:28:28 <jwb> here now
18:28:32 <Oxf13> k, lets move on
18:28:37 <jwb> Oxf13, i need to do the one for updates
18:28:44 <Oxf13> #topic Old Business (/mnt/koji storage)
18:28:50 <Oxf13> dgilmore: this is all you
18:29:04 <dgilmore> ok
18:29:11 <dgilmore> so we have the storage installed
18:29:21 <dgilmore> we have the same size filesystem on it
18:29:30 <dgilmore> though there is a little room but not much
18:29:46 <dgilmore> we spent a week rsyncing the content from the old /mnt/koji
18:29:57 <dgilmore> and right now im running a test mash
18:30:37 <dgilmore> so far it seems promising
18:30:53 <dgilmore> in the next week we need to stress it out
18:31:00 <dgilmore> doing mashes and composes on it
18:32:05 <dgilmore> 2010-02-19 18:16:30 mash: createrepo: starting /mnt/koji-new/mash/el5-epel/el5-epel/ppc/debug...
18:32:08 <dgilmore> Previous repo file missing:
18:32:14 <dgilmore> 2010-02-19 18:29:11 mash: createrepo: finished /mnt/koji-new/mash/el5-epel/el5-epel/ppc/debug
18:32:38 <dgilmore> now we just need to see how it holds up under laod
18:33:12 <Oxf13> I can throw some rawhide size composes at it too
18:33:50 <Oxf13> #info new storage installed and initial sync done
18:34:04 <notting> dgilmore: do we anticipate a space issue with it being the same size?
18:34:06 <Oxf13> #info storage to be stressed in the next week to test performance
18:34:12 <dgilmore> notting: yes and no
18:34:35 <dgilmore> notting: /mnt/koji/mash is using 1.5T of disk currently
18:34:45 <dgilmore> we need to prune that back
18:34:55 <notting> we can delete some of the old trees
18:35:05 <dgilmore> notting: also watching the rsync i noticed we have old signed rpms on disk
18:35:25 <dgilmore> notting: so for any EOL release im going to purge the signe rpms
18:35:48 <dgilmore> we will still have the signature header so we can write a signed rpm if we need it
18:35:57 <dgilmore> but its just filling up disk
18:36:29 <dgilmore> so we have areas to free disk up
18:36:39 <dgilmore> but we dont have enough space to grow a huge amount
18:37:01 <dgilmore> i requested that we put in a second unit in the next finacial year
18:38:47 <dgilmore> thats all i have
18:39:03 <Oxf13> ok
18:39:19 <Oxf13> #info growth plans include pruning unnecessary content and adding a second unit next fiscal year
18:39:38 <Oxf13> #topic Old Business (dist-git update)
18:39:50 <Oxf13> I didn't do anything here due to no frozen rawhide and branching
18:40:09 <Oxf13> but dgilmore is working on a rpm update of fedora-packager which will include fedpkg for people wanting to play with it
18:40:21 <dgilmore> i want to get it out today
18:40:33 <Oxf13> #info no code movement
18:40:41 <Oxf13> #info fedora-packager build coming soon with fedpkg in it
18:41:02 <Oxf13> anything else on dist-git?
18:41:16 <jwb> what's the end target for that?
18:41:34 <Oxf13> it'd be really awesome if we could enable it between F13 GA and F14 branch
18:42:05 <Oxf13> that'll depend on how much time F13 sucks away from me
18:42:08 <jwb> yeah.  i think at the latest it should be done prior to F15 development start
18:42:19 <jwb> (if we're going to actually do it)
18:42:29 <Oxf13> heh, I've put a lot of time into this to not do it
18:42:47 <jwb> do you need help bringing a proposal to FESCO?
18:43:17 <jwb> (or maybe you already did that and i've just been out of it...)
18:43:19 <Oxf13> I may, mostly I want to get it to the point where we can commit/tag/build things in koji
18:43:36 <jwb> k
18:43:47 <Oxf13> once we have that, then we can work on the proposal
18:44:08 <Oxf13> ready to move on?
18:44:11 <jwb> i ask because getting word out to people seems really hard
18:44:29 <jwb> so the earlier we blog/email/announce a switch, the more we'll reach
18:44:32 <Oxf13> oh indeed
18:44:56 <jwb> tbh, i was a bit surprised at the number of questions we got after the NFR stuff went live
18:45:02 <dgilmore> Oxf13: i think the biggest change will be no need to make sure the common module is checked out
18:45:18 <jwb> considering an SCM switch is even more of a direct impact to developers... :)
18:45:29 <Oxf13> dgilmore: honestly I'm expecting the thing that will trip up most people is the need to commit AND push
18:45:30 <dgilmore> jwb: better to get questiions than people complaining we broke the world
18:45:38 <jwb> dgilmore, we got both
18:45:57 <jwb> mostly because people just don't pay attention until something hits them in the face
18:45:59 <Oxf13> but the tools will help with that
18:46:10 <Oxf13> "you just tried to build, but your changes aren't pushed, please to be doing so"
18:46:20 <jwb> anyway, sorry.  we can move on
18:46:25 <Oxf13> ok
18:46:40 <Oxf13> #topic No Frozen Rawhide
18:46:45 <Oxf13> #info we branched!!
18:47:03 <Oxf13> #info still working to get a successful compose of branched content with install images
18:47:16 <Oxf13> #info still working to get a successful compose of rawhide that won't screw up hardlinking
18:47:27 <Oxf13> I suspect these will all be done today
18:47:35 <Oxf13> I'm just facing a mock issue right now to get install images made
18:47:46 <Oxf13> #info bodhi pushes of f13 updates-testing has worked
18:48:26 <Oxf13> there is still lots of work to be done
18:48:34 <Oxf13> wiki page editing, config changes, etc..
18:48:58 <Oxf13> stickster got us a volunteer or to to work on the wiki pages, and others have been helping us identify the problem pages and even what's wrong
18:49:16 <Oxf13> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_frozen_rawhide_announce_plan#Existing_Documentation
18:49:41 <Oxf13> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_frozen_rawhide_wiki_updates
18:50:25 <Oxf13> so that's where I'm at with that
18:50:33 <Oxf13> anybody want to talk more about it?
18:51:41 <Oxf13> awesome!
18:51:50 <Oxf13> #topic Open Floor
18:52:01 <Oxf13> last chance for topics before we close the meeting
18:53:36 <dgilmore> i have nothing else
18:53:54 <notting> at what point do we start worrying about the alpha schedule?
18:54:13 <Oxf13> notting: if we don't have a tree with new bits and boot.iso by Monday/Tuesday I'm going to worry
18:55:24 <Oxf13> the blocker list doesn't look that bad, but we do need to verify a number of things
18:57:57 <Oxf13> alright closing the meeting
18:58:00 <Oxf13> #endmeeting