14:07:44 <rdieter> #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-02-09
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14:07:58 <rdieter> #chair svahl Kevin_Kofler jreznik than
14:07:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jreznik rdieter svahl than
14:08:21 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
14:08:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
14:08:26 <rdieter> #topic roll call
14:08:33 <rdieter> who's present today?
14:08:38 <svahl> present
14:08:46 <rdieter> than mentioned he wouldn't make it today
14:08:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
14:08:58 <jreznik> is here
14:10:01 <rdieter> #topic qt46/kde44 status
14:10:29 <rdieter> we're ready to roll here, everything is in rawhide, even the latest stuff respun just a few hours ago.
14:10:40 <rdieter> f11/f12 still has a binutils/ld bug on ppc, preventing qt46 builds
14:10:59 * rdieter waves to ltinkl
14:11:12 * ltinkl says hello
14:11:15 <Kevin_Kofler> At least ppc64 is broken, not sure whether ppc32 still is.
14:11:45 <rdieter> ah, right, ppc64, didn't mean to defame ppc due to its ppc64 breathren
14:12:57 <rdieter> spun a f12 kde-4.4.0 fedora-remix last night, but looks like another respin will need to happen to get the latest akonadi/kdelibs (plus any other last-minute stuff)
14:13:07 <rdieter> remix livecd that is...
14:13:28 <svahl> is there an ETA for the extragear packages?
14:14:35 <rdieter> good question.  I'll ask about that.
14:15:17 * rdieter poked heliocastro in #fedora-kde
14:19:03 <rdieter> can someone else take over chair duties for a bit, need to help get kids into car (and off to school)
14:19:57 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, I'm taking over.
14:20:23 <Kevin_Kofler> So anything else about Qt 4.6 or KDE 4.4?
14:21:47 <jreznik> it slips until ppc64 issue is solved...
14:21:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Right.
14:22:07 <Kevin_Kofler> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=562249
14:22:29 <Kevin_Kofler> We need some solution there, I wonder if people would hate us for adding ExcludeArch: ppc64 to all of KDE.
14:22:59 <Kevin_Kofler> But I'd like to get the thing to build if at all possible.
14:24:28 <ltinkl> we can add it temporarily
14:24:44 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl: Not so good.
14:24:56 <Kevin_Kofler> We'd have to add it to everything, then remove it from everything and rebuild.
14:25:07 <jreznik> ltinkl: overhead...
14:25:12 <Kevin_Kofler> No Qt means no anything.
14:25:18 <jreznik> rebuild everything twice
14:25:21 <ltinkl> hmm, right
14:26:52 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic feature freeze is upon us, update feature page status
14:28:08 <Kevin_Kofler> So rdieter added this one.
14:28:26 <jreznik> KDE 4.4 is 95%
14:28:30 <Kevin_Kofler> It's mostly just a reminder that we should update our feature pages.
14:28:37 <Kevin_Kofler> I think we can put it at 100% now, 4.4.0 is in.
14:28:46 <jreznik> pulse 100%, pk 95%
14:28:54 <jreznik> so we can change it to 100%
14:29:24 <Kevin_Kofler> For PK1, you're the one who knows best.
14:31:44 <Kevin_Kofler> I changed KDE44 to 100%.
14:32:22 <jreznik> I'll update http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList
14:33:10 <Kevin_Kofler> It's not our job to update that.
14:33:16 <Kevin_Kofler> It's the Feature Wrangler's job.
14:33:28 <Kevin_Kofler> You should update the PolkitQt1 feature instead.
14:34:00 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: then he fails in this job as it was only 80% for kde 4.4 and I update always both pages to let him know
14:34:39 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, then go ahead. :-)
14:36:13 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic disabling nm-applet in KDE for F13+? see also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429431
14:36:48 <Kevin_Kofler> OK, next topic. We still have the problem that nm-applet cannot be disabled, so if it's installed, we have 2 NM frontends running in KDE.
14:37:17 <Kevin_Kofler> I propose that nm-applet autostarting should just be disabled by default in KDE for F13 and higher as we will default to knetworkmanager.
14:37:25 <Kevin_Kofler> All it takes is a NotShowIn=KDE;
14:37:30 <Kevin_Kofler> We don't have any better solution.
14:37:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Comments? Objections? Approvals?
14:39:25 <jreznik> I don't see any better option for us
14:41:06 <Kevin_Kofler> ltinkl? svahl? Anyone else?
14:41:20 <ltinkl> ye, just disable nm-applet in KDE
14:41:32 <svahl> here too
14:42:11 <Kevin_Kofler> I guess that's already a majority, so we'll implement this unless somebody comes up with a better solution very soon.
14:43:21 <Kevin_Kofler> #agreed The GNOME nm-applet will be disabled by default in KDE for F13 and higher (even when installed).
14:43:36 <Kevin_Kofler> So I think that's all for the topics, up to bugs.
14:43:40 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=562851 update to 4.3.5 breaks "Exit Session" dialog (F11)
14:43:58 <Kevin_Kofler> So this is just a FYI: this is breakage I accidentally caused and I'm already fixing it.
14:44:15 <Kevin_Kofler> F11's ConsoleKit doesn't have CanStop.
14:44:24 <Kevin_Kofler> So we need to use the old ck-shutdown patch there.
14:44:46 <Kevin_Kofler> #info kdebase-workspace ck-shutdown patch reverted on F11 to a version which doesn't check CanStop (not available on F11)
14:44:47 <jreznik> I saw @ #fedora-kde, ok
14:44:51 <jreznik> thanks
14:45:01 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=549687 kdm: no autologin on first start (Rawhide)
14:45:32 <Kevin_Kofler> This is another one I'll be looking at soon, it looks like the ConsoleKit daemon and libck-connector are out of sync, which is quite strange because they come from the same tarball.
14:45:49 <Kevin_Kofler> But it seems that KDM is the only or the only major user of libck-connector. :-(
14:46:05 <Kevin_Kofler> The bug hasn't got any answer so far.
14:46:48 <svahl> If this don't get fixed until alpha we'll need to mention it in the release notes (it breaks livecd autologin)
14:47:33 <Kevin_Kofler> I'll do what I can to fix this.
14:48:01 <Kevin_Kofler> #action Kevin_Kofler to investigate what's going on and try to fix this
14:48:13 <rdieter> let's ping on the bug one more time, consider marking it as an alpha blocker
14:48:15 <svahl> sure. :) Just want to mention the need for the release notes
14:48:33 <ltinkl> I'd at least expect one comment from the libck people in bugzilla...
14:48:49 <Kevin_Kofler> Yeah, the lack of reactions really sucks.
14:49:16 <Kevin_Kofler> I'll double-check, but from the logs, to me, it seems pretty clear what's wrong (the lib and the daemon don't agree about interfaces, somebody changed one without the other).
14:49:41 <Kevin_Kofler> Fixing it might require an API and ABI break in the library though, depending on what changed in the daemon.
14:49:52 <Kevin_Kofler> But I'll know more after looking at it.
14:51:04 <Kevin_Kofler> #topic open discussion
14:51:16 <Kevin_Kofler> So, any more bugs, topics etc.?
14:52:00 <jreznik> nothing from me
14:52:37 <svahl> Just a question for the live images: Which package should I include: amarok or kdeplasma-addons (atm they don't fit both)
14:52:48 <ltinkl> amarok I'd say
14:52:55 <svahl> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList&oldid=151451
14:53:42 <jreznik> amarok
14:55:34 <svahl> ok, amarok then
14:56:48 <Kevin_Kofler> Note that plasma-netbook will not be usable without kdeplasma-addons, but I guess we aren't supporting that one on the live image at this time anyway, are we?
14:57:03 <Kevin_Kofler> We need at least parts of kdeplasma-addons for plasma-netbook to work.
14:57:57 <jreznik> I'm not sure we want plasma-netbook for default spin
14:58:00 <svahl> Kevin_Kofler: no, we don't. I just added a "netbook" boot option hack for testing
14:58:41 <Kevin_Kofler> jreznik: As the default? Definitely not!
14:58:53 <Kevin_Kofler> The default will always be plasma-desktop.
14:59:14 <Kevin_Kofler> It might make sense to have a separate KDE Netbook spin with plasma-netbook as the default though.
14:59:45 <Kevin_Kofler> But so far we don't have a spin maintainer and the spin approval deadline has already passed, so I don't think we can make it happen for F13.
14:59:51 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe F14.
15:00:30 <jreznik> Kevin_Kofler: no, I thought - even not to have/support on default live... netbook live is another story
15:00:53 <Kevin_Kofler> Supporting plasma-netbook as an option on the KDE spin may or may not make sense.
15:01:10 <Kevin_Kofler> I'd say at this point it's not mature enough.
15:01:38 <svahl> jreznik volunteered as a spin maintainer some meetings ago (I and annew offered to help). But we thought that it was better to be released in f14
15:02:05 <jreznik> svahl: f14 should be our target
15:02:23 <Kevin_Kofler> So I'll take the plasma-netbook blocker off the F13 KDE blocker list.
15:02:34 <svahl> +1
15:02:51 <Kevin_Kofler> BTW, the one issue still on it should be fixed by now (we have Qt 4.6.1), but it's waiting on svahl's confirmation.
15:03:13 <svahl> I'll try to test that this evening
15:05:13 <jreznik> we are over guys
15:05:45 <adamw> yeah, be careful or we're going to start bugzapping all over youz.
15:05:55 <Kevin_Kofler> #action svahl to test whether the plasma-netbook Qt issue is still reproducible
15:06:03 <Kevin_Kofler> #endmeeting