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02:01:30 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan  6 02:01:30 2010 UTC.  The chair is StabbyMc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:02:03 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Roll Call
02:02:12 <StabbyMc> .fas smcbrien
02:02:13 <zodbot> StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott@mcbrien.net>
02:02:24 <Ac-town> .fas Ac-town
02:02:25 <zodbot> Ac-town: actown 'Derrick Dymock' <actown@gmail.com>
02:02:36 <djf_jeff> .fas jfsaucier
02:02:37 <zodbot> djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier' <jfsaucier@infoglobe.ca>
02:02:47 <ke4qqq> .fas ke4qqq
02:02:48 <zodbot> ke4qqq: ke4qqq 'David Nalley' <david@gnsa.us>
02:02:50 <Arsenick> .fas Arsenick
02:02:52 <zodbot> Arsenick: arsenick 'René Jr Purcell' <rene.purcell@gmail.com>
02:02:56 <threethirty> .fas threethirty
02:02:57 <zodbot> threethirty: threethirty 'Justin O'Brien' <three@threethirty.us>
02:03:14 <etank> .fas etank
02:03:15 <zodbot> etank: kenop 'Chetan Kumar' <chetanku@gmail.com> - spyrkob 'Bartosz Spyrko-Śmietanko' <bspyrkos@redhat.com> - thomasthetank 'thomas strickland' <strickland.thomas@gmail.com> - etank 'Eric Lake' <ericlake@gmail.com> - swetank 'SWETANK KUMAR SAHA' <swetank@aol.in> - ketankumar 'ketankumar patil' <ketan_bhag@yahoo.co.in>
02:04:20 <StabbyMc> Anyone else for roll call?
02:04:32 <lcafiero> .fas lcafiero
02:04:32 <zodbot> lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero' <larrycafiero@cruzio.com>
02:04:40 <lcafiero> present and accounted for, sir.
02:04:49 <StabbyMc> and early no less!
02:05:01 <lcafiero> traffic laws, pffft.
02:05:19 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Announcements
02:05:26 <StabbyMc> Anyone have any announcements to share?
02:06:28 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Events
02:06:42 <StabbyMc> djf_jeff: how'd your radio bit go?
02:07:12 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: I think it go pretty well, that was a fun experience
02:07:34 <StabbyMc> Is there a podcast or recording somewhere?
02:07:49 * StabbyMc would love to listen.
02:08:06 <vwbusguy> .fas vwbusguy
02:08:10 <zodbot> vwbusguy: vwbusguy 'Scott Williams' <vwfoxguru@gmail.com>
02:08:12 <djf_jeff> StabbyMc: yes, but only in french
02:08:28 <StabbyMc> boo.  ;-)
02:08:43 <PhrkOnLsh> .fasi rrix
02:08:46 <StabbyMc> Is it posted to the Events page wiki?
02:08:50 <PhrkOnLsh> .fas rrix
02:08:51 <zodbot> PhrkOnLsh: rrix 'Ryan Rix' <ry@n.rix.si>
02:08:55 <djf_jeff> if anyone is interested : http://lavoixdulibre.info/
02:08:58 <ke4qqq> djf_jeff: can you post a link to it for those who do speak french?
02:09:32 <djf_jeff> exactly at this page : http://www.lavoixdulibre.info/emissions/baladodiffusion.html
02:09:33 <StabbyMc> awesome djf_jeff :-)
02:09:37 * vwbusguy wonders if Google translate can do voice
02:10:03 <StabbyMc> anyone else got events stuff to report, or need help on?
02:10:12 <StabbyMc> The only big one I know coming up is Scale.
02:10:28 <ke4qqq> Events FAD is tentatively happening last week of Jan
02:10:43 <ke4qqq> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events_FAD_2010
02:11:02 <PhrkOnLsh> I'm going to camp kde in two weeks. hopefully i'll do some ambassador-ing :)
02:11:40 <VileGent> sorry for being late
02:11:44 <StabbyMc> PhrkOnLsh: is it on the Events page?
02:11:54 <PhrkOnLsh> nope, it's not. I will add it
02:12:24 <lcafiero> Announcement: Felton LUG on Saturday. F12 is the topic. yours truly is the speaker.
02:12:36 <lcafiero> no resources other than what I have are needed.
02:12:40 * lcafiero bows
02:13:16 <StabbyMc> lcafiero: how long have you been holding onto that one?
02:13:26 <vwbusguy> speaking of resources, where are we with media?
02:13:40 <vwbusguy> and by media, I mean f12
02:13:41 <lcafiero> A long time. I also have peninsula lug later this month -- bigger deal in the Silicon Valley.
02:13:48 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: no change last I heard
02:13:52 <ke4qqq> spevack: ping
02:14:08 <lcafiero> I thought spevack said he couldn't make it tonight.
02:14:14 <LinuxCode> ke4qqq, max sent an email earlier saying he wouldnt be here
02:14:17 <StabbyMc> Was it in spevack's whole world update he sent out today?  I neglected to read it.
02:14:35 <LinuxCode> StabbyMc, well, he put some important info in there for you guys
02:14:37 <ke4qqq> ahhh - missed that email
02:14:44 * LinuxCode isnt even a NA ambassador
02:14:47 * lcafiero saw it
02:14:58 <ke4qqq> StabbyMc: I don't recall seeing an update on NA media
02:14:59 <StabbyMc> LinuxCode: no doubt, I'm a slacker.
02:15:13 <lcafiero> there wasn't
02:15:44 <ke4qqq> by 'last I heard' I mean right before new years
02:15:48 <StabbyMc> Last I heard, RH hadn't paid $media-house; since they just came back from shutdown, I'm not surprised that there would be no change.
02:16:13 <vwbusguy> and we have no eta
02:16:15 <vwbusguy> ?
02:16:34 <StabbyMc> I suppose when Big Daddy RH opens the purse strings.
02:16:54 * vwbusguy sends his wife over
02:16:54 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: none last I heard - StabbyMc has the right timeline
02:17:09 <vwbusguy> wait, that came out wrong
02:17:11 <StabbyMc> I've been talking with inode0 about things we could do to keep this from happening again, but I need to discuss with spevack.
02:17:19 <lcafiero> heh @ vwbusguy
02:17:57 <StabbyMc> Unfortunately RH Finance is a riddle wrapped in an enigma, encapsulated in a giant ball of fscked.
02:18:17 <vwbusguy> As far as SCaLE stuff, I have a list based on wiki and names given in chan, and I'll email everyone whose going with information as I get it
02:18:17 * etank writes that one down for later use
02:18:25 <cwtucker> +1
02:18:32 <vwbusguy> We are waiting for Max to approve budget
02:18:41 <ke4qqq> vwbusguy: huh?
02:18:46 <vwbusguy> and registration codes should be available for volunteers "within a few weeks"
02:18:51 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Budget Review
02:18:55 <StabbyMc> Since we're already there ;-)
02:18:57 * lcafiero will talk budget in a minute
02:19:14 * vwbusguy notes he has to leave in 2 minutes
02:19:25 <StabbyMc> lcafiero/vwbusguy have at it.
02:19:31 <lcafiero> or whenever you all are ready.
02:19:34 <lcafiero> OK.
02:20:24 <lcafiero> Using the information I had on hand, I put up a budget on the SCALE 8x wiki
02:20:28 <lcafiero> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SCaLE_8x_Event
02:20:58 <lcafiero> a provisional budget of $2700
02:21:07 <lcafiero> provisional because there are a couple of wildcards.
02:21:21 <ke4qqq> ?
02:21:47 * lcafiero yields to the Senator from Liberty. ke4qqq
02:21:49 <ke4qqq> can you tell us what you mean by SCaLE sponsorship - you mean sponsoring the conference itself?
02:22:08 * vwbusguy apologizes for leaving early, I'll try to meet up in chan after class.
02:22:22 <lcafiero> Unless we have $19,000, no. What I'm talking about is sponsoring at some level as we do in other events.
02:22:33 <ke4qqq> also - does the FAD need funding
02:22:53 <lcafiero> As far as the room goes, no. We have gotten the room on Friday.
02:23:03 <ke4qqq> food or other needs?
02:23:30 <lcafiero> If I could finish the first of a couple of financial wildcards.
02:23:37 <lcafiero> It might answer these questions.
02:23:48 <ke4qqq> ahhh, I apologize, please continue
02:23:57 <lcafiero> No apology necessary.
02:24:05 <lcafiero> I just don't type fast enough :-)
02:24:47 <lcafiero> The $1000 is arbitrary -- we can sponsor at a lower level and use the funds for other things that vwbusguy and I have forgotten to budget
02:24:52 <lcafiero> (mostly I forgot, but anyway)
02:25:27 <lcafiero> not to mention helping out with travel for those presenting
02:26:04 <lcafiero> Also, the second is that this is not final and needs tweaking and input from those attending and not would be welcome.
02:27:13 <lcafiero> So that's about it for the moment -- and as vwbusguy said I went over some procedural stuff with Max in an e-mail today to which I am awaiting an answer.
02:27:49 <lcafiero> Specifically, if -- and if so, how -- to perhaps utilize commarch funds.
02:27:56 <ke4qqq> who are the 4 rooms for - I only see three attendees listed
02:28:00 <lcafiero> Questions.
02:28:07 <lcafiero> Acutally, the list is not up to date.
02:28:46 <lcafiero> It's quaid, VileGent (didn't forget you this time), herlo, jds2001, me, stickster (possibly),
02:28:57 <lcafiero> and I think there may be someone I'm forgetting.
02:29:06 <lcafiero> you're going ke4qqq?
02:29:24 <ke4qqq> tentatively yes, but being funded externally
02:29:28 <lcafiero> Ah, got it.
02:30:59 <lcafiero> But again, this is not final, and the Q4 budget closes at the end of Feb. From what I can see of the NA budget, there's only been $3500 of $8000 spent, if memory serves.
02:32:03 <ke4qqq> casebadges and clings aren't in that budget list - and it's ~3800 iirc
02:32:09 <StabbyMc> Deduct another $800 from that...
02:32:12 <StabbyMc> for Clings
02:32:14 <inode0> plus t-shirts are supposed to be
02:32:15 <ke4qqq> but yeah - still should be able to accommodate that
02:32:22 <lcafiero> of those listed above, quaid, herlo, jds2001 and I are presenting, and stickster could keynote.
02:32:31 <lcafiero> could, he emphasizes.
02:32:56 <lcafiero> Hmmm. OK. Still it looks like we come under the wire.
02:33:04 * lcafiero thought that case badges were commarch expense.
02:33:13 <threethirty> ?
02:33:24 * threethirty is new, what is commarch
02:33:24 <lcafiero> threethirty, go.
02:33:28 <StabbyMc> Q4 budget has to last until the end of February...
02:33:29 <inode0> will be taken from each region's budget
02:33:33 <lcafiero> Oh, sorry. Community Architecture
02:33:36 <threethirty> ty
02:33:46 <ke4qqq> threethirty: it's a group within RHT that gives us money
02:33:47 <VileGent> lcafiero,  and marketing is having a FAD in March in NC so they are going after $3k  for that
02:33:56 <lcafiero> Right. It's january now and SCaLE is Feb. 19-22
02:34:00 <inode0> FADs aren't our budget
02:34:10 <ke4qqq> VileGent: that's a new quarter and generally fads are external to our budget
02:34:16 <VileGent> but it does come out of CA budget
02:35:08 <inode0> everything does in the end, I think when we say CA budget we mean "not our budget" :)
02:35:09 <ke4qqq> yes but we get little or no say so on what does or doesn't come out of CA budget - the important thing is have expenses planned well in advance
02:37:00 <lcafiero> Right, and again the sponsor amount is the linchpin here because it can be less.
02:37:22 <lcafiero> However, we should support those events that give us a venue to promote Fedora.
02:38:38 <lcafiero> Anyhow, I just wanted to put that out there for vetting by those who are more experienced in budget matters than I am
02:39:27 <StabbyMc> As long as we can still fill the swag coffers some, and Max approves it ...
02:39:50 <lcafiero> +1
02:40:42 <lcafiero> Unless there are any other question, I can yield the floor to the chair.
02:40:47 <lcafiero> question=questions
02:41:40 <StabbyMc> In other news, Clings should be ordered and paid this week; heads up inode0 ;-)
02:42:38 <etank> +1 on clings
02:42:49 <lcafiero> what etank said woo hoo!
02:42:57 <StabbyMc> Is dnhodgson here?
02:44:27 <StabbyMc> Any other budget stuff?
02:45:01 <StabbyMc> #topic Fedora North America Ambassadors - Open Floor
02:45:02 <PhrkOnLsh> well about that leftover funds... I could use a vacation. ;)
02:45:04 <jds2001> my flight is looking to be $270ish right now, any help appreciated :)
02:45:10 <StabbyMc> Ok, open floor :-)
02:45:29 <jds2001> but to get that, i have to stay sunday night and come back monday
02:45:38 <jds2001> sunday flights out are crazy expensive
02:46:03 <jds2001> like $299 vs. $129 - more than a hotel room
02:47:46 <lcafiero> OK, jds2001, we'll talk.
02:48:16 * lcafiero could use some guidance on travel expenses other than lodging.
02:50:44 * ke4qqq sees no difference in lodging and travel
02:51:45 <lcafiero> OK, that's a good point, ke4qqq
02:52:10 <threethirty> ke4qqq just doesnt want to sleep in his car
02:52:18 <ke4qqq> that said - I'd personally only feel comfortable paying for speakers or key fad members. - flying people all over the world to attend an event in and of itself isn't scalable.
02:52:24 <lcafiero> Oh, he won't threethirty
02:52:44 <ke4qqq> threethirty: they let me hang out in the lobby sofas last year :)
02:52:46 <lcafiero> Well, that's the kind of thing I'd like clarification on
02:52:51 <threethirty> ke4qqq: lol
02:52:52 <VileGent> jds2001,  and i thought $300 for mine is cheap
02:53:20 <jds2001> JFK-LAX is always crazy cheap
02:53:31 <jds2001> was for me last year to go to SCaLE too.
02:53:53 <lcafiero> jds2001 is probably going to be presenting, too (hint hint)
02:54:01 <ke4qqq> lcafiero: ask away - though that opinion is what I'd personally submit budgets for- not a policy statement or anything
02:54:51 <lcafiero> Right, but I've only done two -- 2009 LFNW and 2009 OSCON -- and I think lodging was paid for but travel was a greyer area.
02:55:12 <lcafiero> travel meaning getting from point a to point b and back.
02:55:25 <jds2001> it's a "how critical is this person to the event" type measurement, IMHO
02:55:31 <lcafiero> OK
02:55:33 <ke4qqq> I don't see the costs really being different, from my perspective.
02:55:37 <ke4qqq> +1 jds2001
02:56:27 <lcafiero> For the sake of the open part of the meeting, can we take this discussion back to #fedora-ambassadors afterward?
02:56:37 <ke4qqq> yep
02:57:08 <StabbyMc> Any other open floor business?
02:57:47 <StabbyMc> Closing the meeting in
02:57:49 <StabbyMc> 5
02:57:50 <lcafiero> I missed ordering a shirt today, but will do so tomorrow. the white button shirt
02:57:57 * lcafiero sits down again
02:57:57 <StabbyMc> Yea!
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02:58:22 <StabbyMc> #endmeeting