20:03:33 <mchua> #startmeeting
20:03:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Dec 15 20:03:33 2009 UTC.  The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:03:40 <rbergeron> oh
20:03:41 <mchua> rbergeron: perfect timing :)
20:03:41 * rbergeron laughs
20:03:42 <rbergeron> i was like
20:03:45 <rbergeron> OMG ONE O THREE
20:03:53 * mchua looks around for zodbot
20:04:08 <rbergeron> he's here.
20:04:18 <rbergeron> or she
20:04:35 * mchua checks to make sure zodbot is logging
20:04:37 <mchua> good, http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-15/fedora-meeting.2009-12-15-20.03.log.txt
20:05:08 <mchua> (there have been a lot of random netsplits today, so I wanted to make sure)
20:05:08 <mchua> #topic agenda
20:05:08 <mchua> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings#Agenda
20:05:23 <mchua> * Wiki cleanup: what's up?
20:05:23 <mchua> * Trac cleanup: tickets lined up for F13
20:05:23 <mchua> * Status check on infrastructure projects
20:05:23 <mchua> o Limesurvey
20:05:23 <mchua> o Insight
20:05:24 <mchua> o Fedora-tour
20:05:24 <mchua> Sprint: FUDCon feedback survey
20:05:27 <mchua> #chair rbergeron
20:05:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: mchua rbergeron
20:05:36 <rbergeron> lol
20:05:39 <mchua> Aaand... with that, rbergeron, take it away!
20:06:07 <mchua> ...gosh, zodbot has latency today.
20:06:07 <mchua> #topic wiki cleanup
20:06:07 <rbergeron> wow
20:06:07 <mchua> rbergeron: all yours.
20:06:14 <rbergeron> laggy, that zodbot is
20:06:29 <rbergeron> ok: wiki is cleaned up, for the most part.
20:06:47 <rbergeron> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
20:07:13 <rbergeron> basically, all the F12 stuff has been rolled over / archived, and new links have been inserted for F13 marketing deliverables, or at least framework pages.
20:07:22 <rbergeron> and i'd be willing to bet there are a few i've missed.
20:07:24 * mchua notes that this looks SO much better
20:07:38 <rbergeron> and i'll be writing up a SOP tonight.... on how to replant the marketing wiki.
20:07:43 <rbergeron> for each cycle
20:07:55 <rbergeron> now that mchua has the SOP on SOPs done
20:07:56 <rbergeron> :)
20:08:11 <rbergeron> questions comments etc?
20:08:33 <rbergeron> lag?
20:08:34 <mchua> Is there anything we can do/script/make/write other than the SOP to make this easier next round?
20:08:45 <rbergeron> ?? CTCP PING reply from mchua: 3.949 seconds
20:08:47 <rbergeron> lol
20:08:47 <mchua> (How long did it take you this time, etc? was it lots of pain?)
20:08:55 <rbergeron> it was fairly easy
20:09:05 <rbergeron> i'd say writing the notes i did for what to do
20:09:08 <rbergeron> took longer than actually doing it
20:09:15 <rbergeron> it's nice to have a checklist, is all, really
20:09:22 * mchua nods
20:09:27 <mchua> same with the SOP stuff for me
20:09:36 <rbergeron> doing the copy / paste s/f12/f13 is fairly simple.
20:09:37 <mchua> but the good thing is that we only have to do that once, right?
20:09:43 <rbergeron> indeed
20:09:52 * rbergeron finds a big piece of wood to knock on
20:10:14 <rbergeron> so... i think that about covers the wiki stuff.
20:10:37 <rbergeron> #topic trac!
20:11:04 <rbergeron> so i added the F13 milestones to trac
20:11:06 <rbergeron> which went ok
20:11:20 <rbergeron> i was going to try and add "completed" to the list with other resolutions
20:11:22 * mchua would like to note that rbergeron has been a Total Ninja in keeping us all on top of marketing stuff these past few weeks
20:11:27 <rbergeron> since "fixed" sounds bad for stuff that isn't broked
20:11:38 <mchua> Oh. Good point, yeah.
20:11:45 <rbergeron> but i don't know if that is ... hard coded somewhere, but it wasn't plainly obvious to me
20:11:54 <rbergeron> although i didn't spend a whole heck of a lot of time digging for it
20:11:58 <bochecha> rbergeron, you can change that in the trac admin
20:12:09 <bochecha> you need to be an admin of the « marketing » trac project though
20:12:17 <rbergeron> oh
20:12:46 * rbergeron looks to mchua to see if she knows offhand if i just have some privs or enough for that
20:12:53 <mchua> rbergeron: you should have privs.
20:13:21 <mchua> rbergeron has trac privs by virtue of volunteering to be a trac ninja for our F13 planning, for the record.
20:13:24 <rbergeron> k, i'll dig somemore
20:13:57 <rbergeron> so i just need to go in and add the specific deliverables we've already committed to for the milestones
20:14:19 <rbergeron> and i think we might want to look at what else we have in trac right now
20:14:34 <mchua> schweet! are you all set with that, need help, etc?
20:14:40 <rbergeron> see what can be closed out, rolled over, etc
20:14:44 <mchua> we could do a triage party right after this meeting if you want, if it'd help
20:15:10 <rbergeron> sure thing
20:15:27 <rbergeron> #action triage party post marketing-meeting to clean up old trac stuff / roll over what is continuing
20:15:59 <mchua> party!
20:16:01 <rbergeron> kosher?
20:16:07 <rbergeron> moving on .....
20:16:26 <rbergeron> #topic status check - marketing projects infrastructure
20:16:40 <rbergeron> mchua: what's shakin with fedora insight
20:16:55 <mchua> not much right now, we're still blocking on some packaging stuff
20:17:02 <mchua> but zikula upstream people are starting to show up on the fedora lists
20:17:11 <mchua> so I'm hoping they can help us work through the (mostly licensing) issues involved
20:17:12 <rbergeron> sweeeeeet
20:17:19 <rbergeron> mmm, licensing issues.
20:17:39 <mchua> yeah... there's not much we can do to move those faster, unfortunately. I'm going to try to get everyone on IRC at the same time.
20:17:45 <rbergeron> do we have material and stuff ready to start pushing out once it's live?
20:17:57 <mchua> #action mchua convene Unblock The Zikula Packages meeting
20:18:19 <mchua> rbergeron: ahh... not yet, that would be a Very Good Thing to gear up on.
20:18:43 <mchua> Some of it's been because we don't know when launch is and gathering time-sensitive material might end up being wasted effort
20:18:51 * rbergeron nods
20:18:56 <mchua> but there's certainly stuff we can gather that can go out no matter what date FI goes live on.
20:19:06 <mchua> I'll start kicking the tires for that, thanks for the reminder.
20:19:19 <mchua> #action mchua start the "let's queue up FI material" party across the various teams involved
20:19:22 * rbergeron is a fan of non-time-sensitive material for slow weeks for continuous reading
20:20:01 <rbergeron> ok. so bottom line is .... FI is plugging along :)
20:20:02 <mchua> Yep - I believe Paul Johnson offered editorial help last cycle, and Jonathan Roberts was the one who did a pass through Planet, so I'll see if I can find them/others to help with this.
20:20:06 <mchua> yeah.
20:20:45 <rbergeron> #topic status - fedora-tour / infrastructure stuff
20:20:58 <mchua> Ryan doesn't appear to be around today.
20:21:11 <rbergeron> no, he said something last week about being offline for a week or so
20:21:20 <mchua> I haven't seen anything on the list from him or Fransisco about fedora-tour this week, I think it's finals time
20:21:25 <rbergeron> just shouting out in case anyone else is around
20:21:27 * rbergeron nods
20:21:35 <mchua> He's been doing a tremendous amount on getting a Marketing infrastructure going, so I'm looking forward to his return :)
20:21:52 <rbergeron> ryan starts winter break next week, so i'd imagine next week he'll be more free, minus that whole holiday thing going on :)
20:21:56 <mchua> \o/
20:22:06 <rbergeron> i guess officially he starts friday afternoon. as do i :)
20:22:12 <rbergeron> not that it's much of a break!
20:22:16 <rbergeron> okay
20:22:18 <mchua> I start Tuesday evening :)
20:22:28 <mchua> limesurvey?
20:22:29 <rbergeron> #topic status limesurvey / infrastructure status
20:22:40 <mchua> Just checked in on our packaging ticket
20:22:42 <mchua> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817
20:22:43 <bugbot> Bug 508817: medium, medium, ---, ian, ASSIGNED, Review Request: Limesurvey - An open source survey application
20:22:55 <mchua> Ryan poked Sparks again and it *sounds* like it's all done and just waiting for approval
20:23:33 * rbergeron nods
20:23:34 <mchua> in the meantime I'm getting limesurvey up on our old friend pt6
20:23:50 <mchua> (just installing directly using the spec/srpm Sparks recently uploaded)
20:23:55 <mchua> so we can play around with it.
20:24:06 <rbergeron> ok. i know ryan had said he'd look into that, so we should let him know once you get it going
20:24:07 <mchua> #action mchua to announce to marketing-list when limesurvey is up on pt6
20:24:08 * mchua nods
20:24:08 <rbergeron> since he's outtie
20:24:11 <mchua> yep
20:24:26 <rbergeron> so in the meantime: once we have it up and running
20:24:39 <rbergeron> aside from having the actual survey part, which is fairly easy
20:24:51 <rbergeron> we would still need to get it to infrastrucutre to have it officialy tested / deployed, correct?
20:25:14 <mchua> rbergeron: yes, Mike needs to puppetize it and load-test it on staging, I think that takes ~1wk
20:25:34 <mchua> do we have the questions we want to ask on the survey? is limesurvey a blocker for deploying that?
20:25:40 <rbergeron> and it's approaching holiday, which means... 2 weeks
20:26:12 <rbergeron> i have the questions from yaakov, and I was going to throw in the questions from the previous survey.
20:26:15 * mchua would be, masochistically, more than happy to spend some hours with cat and grep and sed going through, say, emailed-in survey responses
20:26:22 * rbergeron notes that she was supposed to send that out
20:26:34 <mchua> since 2 weeks from now is wayyy too late to send a FUDCon feedback survey out, everyone's going to have forgotten what they did
20:27:17 <rbergeron> mchua: we do have the option of the $10 for having limesurvey host it, which i think would be a wiser use of time, and i'm happy to spend the 10 bucks
20:27:35 <rbergeron> i also wonder about the honesty-level of doing things that way, with a direct mail
20:27:38 <rbergeron> what doy ou think?
20:27:44 <mchua> rbergeron: oh, good point.
20:27:48 <rbergeron> especially since you were the organizer :)
20:27:57 <mchua> rbergeron: ...very good point.
20:28:03 <mchua> spevack: ^^ do we have fedora budget for this kind of thing?
20:28:08 <rbergeron> not tha tanyone would have anything negative to say
20:28:18 * mchua does ;)
20:28:29 <mchua> for stuff that's my fault, anyway
20:28:30 <rbergeron> i just think that $10 for ... i think 250 responses worth is
20:28:43 <rbergeron> well, a better way to go than you spending .... who knows how long
20:28:47 <rbergeron> more than an hour :)
20:28:50 <rbergeron> sorting / grepping.
20:28:54 <mchua> yeah, I agree.
20:29:05 <mchua> so I reckon that would be...
20:29:23 <mchua> #agreed limesurvey hosting for $10 for 250 responses for the FUDCon survey while we get our own infra up
20:29:29 <rbergeron> if there is no budget, someone can buy me a coffee at some point, it's not going to kill me :) and i can get the qustions up pretty quickly.
20:30:01 <mchua> rbergeron: do it, and I'll see if I can get you reimbursed.
20:30:03 <rbergeron> so how about i sprint on the question list post-meeting pre-child-pickup-after-school, send it to the list, and see about getting them up tonight
20:30:10 <mchua> sounds great.
20:30:11 <rbergeron> and we can eyeball the survey tomorrow?
20:30:19 <rbergeron> and then send it out officially
20:30:35 <mchua> rbergeron: actually, let me get our limesurvey acct up and paid for 'cause I think quaid has the fedora subdomain for that
20:30:46 <rbergeron> question: are we just specifically sending to fudcon attendees
20:30:49 <mchua> #action mchua get limesurvey fedora domain stuff up with extra 250 responses paid for
20:30:51 <rbergeron> who actually went
20:31:02 <rbergeron> or .... anyone who wants to respond, with maybe "why they didn't go"
20:31:05 <mchua> rbergeron: nope, to everyone we can because there were a good number of remote attendees too
20:31:15 * rbergeron nods
20:31:27 <quaid> mchua: fedora.limesurvey.net, I think I may have still held it, or we may need to recapture it.
20:31:30 <rbergeron> i think the previous survey had a why didn't you go, etc type question, or something
20:31:39 <mchua> #action mchua ask stickster what channels to publicize FUDCon survey on
20:32:00 <mchua> quaid: it was you who had access to that account, right? can I poke around somehow?
20:32:13 <quaid> yes
20:33:02 <mchua> rbergeron: ok, quaid and I can take care of the get-temp-infrastructure-up part, you have content, with our powers combined we'll be all set?
20:33:10 <rbergeron> i think so
20:33:21 <rbergeron> you've used limesurvey before, right?
20:33:40 <mchua> I have.
20:33:46 * rbergeron was just thinking about the whole duplicate responses or do people have to make their own logins to take a survey, etc
20:34:20 <spevack> mchua: did you really just ask me if we have $10 of budget?  :)
20:34:23 * rbergeron then jumped on the train of gee do we need to have FAS tie in to taking a survey once we have things up and running on our own infrastructure
20:34:39 <mchua> spevack: Y-yes?
20:34:50 * rbergeron notes the famous phrase, "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission" ;)
20:34:51 <spevack> of course!
20:34:59 * rbergeron isn't sure if that's how it really goes, though
20:35:02 * mchua cheers
20:35:25 <mchua> The mysteries of budgeting are still mysteries to me, though less mysterious than they were several months back.
20:36:03 <mchua> rbergeron: so we're targeting tomorrow for survey launch, right?
20:36:14 <rbergeron> pretty much!
20:36:25 <mchua> and then the next survey we'll probably have to get up is research for f13, which is enough time to get our own infra up and running.
20:36:28 <rbergeron> we can convene for an eyeball make sure it looks okay session in the morning
20:36:28 <mchua> w00t.
20:36:37 <rbergeron> and fire off around noon?
20:36:53 * rbergeron notes that we just decided a lot of actions
20:37:30 <rbergeron> #action rbergero to get survey questions out this afternoon for quick review
20:38:05 <rbergeron> #action mchua to figure out how to hook rbergero up with access to fedora.limesurvey.net or whatever the subdomain is so that rbergero can post questions
20:38:23 * hiemanshu jumps in, sorry for being late
20:38:33 <rbergeron> #action survey to go live / info out on mailing lists
20:38:36 <mchua> quaid: if you've got a moment to give me privs for ^^ after this, just ping
20:38:52 <rbergeron> #action ^^^ 12/16/09 noonish!
20:39:02 <quaid> mchua: yeah, will work it, send you something gpg encrypted
20:39:08 <rbergeron> mchua: thoughts on how long we should run it?
20:39:30 <rbergeron> 16-23 Dec?
20:39:53 <mchua> rbergeron: the Events FAD for FUDCon toolmaking isn't until Feb-something-or-other
20:40:25 <mchua> rbergeron: so hypothetically we could even let it run for a whole month, though I'm not sure what timespan is likely to give us the most responses
20:40:44 * rbergeron nods
20:40:47 <mchua> I defer to your expertise on this front, since you're our resident Research Guru
20:40:58 <rbergeron> i tend to think if people are going to do it, they'll do it sooner, rather than later
20:41:06 <rbergeron> especially since it will just get buried in their inbox
20:41:15 <rbergeron> and then on vacation for 2 weeks.....
20:41:29 <hiemanshu> Damn net splits
20:41:46 <rbergeron> it's helpful to send out a reminder, which is usually the last day or two before it would end
20:42:05 <rbergeron> i think i asked this, are RH people on mandatory vacation or anything?
20:42:36 <mchua> rbergeron: teeeeechnically yes, between xmas and new years
20:42:48 <rbergeron> so not strting, say, next monday
20:42:57 <mchua> hiemanshu: welcome back - we're having a curse-the-netsplits party, too ;)
20:43:03 <rbergeron> starting, that is
20:43:05 <mchua> rbergeron: aye.
20:43:15 <hiemanshu> mchua: yay :D
20:43:21 <mchua> rbergeron: well, I think Friday is the last day for a lot of RH folks, but Fedoraland tends to not shut down.
20:43:24 <rbergeron> i just don't want to say, a week, and then have people missing it because they were not reading email on vacation, that would be unfun.
20:43:49 <mchua> I think if we get it out tomorrow it'll be fine.
20:44:09 * rbergeron nods
20:44:16 <rbergeron> and call it a week, and remind people the day before?
20:45:11 <Southern_Gentlem> rbergeron, second friday in january send reminders jan 4th
20:45:38 <rbergeron> yeah, that's what i'm thinking,
20:45:45 <rbergeron> now that i'm looking.
20:45:54 <Southern_Gentlem> the move of the datacenters have alot of people busy
20:46:09 * rbergeron nods
20:46:30 <Southern_Gentlem> fighting fires that they will not take time to fill out a survey now
20:46:40 <rbergeron> #action survey out dec. 16; reminder mail jan. 4; close jan. 8
20:46:48 <rbergeron> maybe that should be agreed; whatever :)
20:47:11 <rbergeron> i think that covers limesurvey stuff
20:47:56 * mchua looketh at agenda
20:47:59 <rbergeron> #topic open floor
20:48:11 * rbergeron is pretty sure that was everything on the agenda
20:48:22 <quaid> hmm
20:48:28 <quaid> I did have something that has come to mind
20:48:37 <rbergeron> speakthe!
20:48:42 <rbergeron> speaketh, as well
20:48:43 <mchua> I have 2 quick updates with no action needed, once quaid is done
20:48:51 * rbergeron will learn to typeth later
20:48:52 <quaid> it's bubbling up around Desktop, but also ... there was this SELinux error message the other day ...
20:49:08 <quaid> that all shows we need two ends of things from marketing, I think ...
20:49:23 <quaid> longer term influence on how we handle explaining and exposing new technologies
20:49:45 <quaid> such as SELinux ...
20:50:03 <quaid> it suffers from an image problem, it also doesn't do what people expect (usability design help needed there, too)
20:50:27 <quaid> so a continuum -- what do users expect, what do we want to show them tech0-wise, how do we enable them to give useful feedback.
20:50:31 <quaid> and then on the other end ...
20:50:39 <quaid> specific marketing plans per-feature/sub-project/etc.
20:50:47 <quaid> to help expose the cool stuff they are doing.
20:50:52 * rbergeron nods
20:50:56 <quaid> to finish ...
20:51:20 <quaid> for a long time, we have said, "You should make noise about what you are doing," without helping people much with that; that's OK, that's an evolution thing as a project
20:51:24 <mchua> quaid: where's the SELinux discussion happening (or is it?)
20:51:32 <quaid> and because we didn't have a marketing machine forced on us by e.g. Red Hat
20:51:51 <quaid> we have grown it organically; there is buy0in for it now in the project v. "why do we need that icky stuff?"
20:52:32 * rbergeron notes that she was thinking of adding a series of
20:52:37 <Southern_Gentlem> ?
20:52:49 <rbergeron> "Under the Hood" or some similarly named interview series
20:52:49 <quaid> mchua: one sec
20:53:19 <rbergeron> where developers can be interviewed / talk about /etc not "what just came out!" but "what i'm working on right now, what i want to do, how others can help, etc"
20:53:45 <rbergeron> that would be (a) continuous story-age for FI, and (b) a good feedback loop for people who are doing important things
20:54:05 <rbergeron> or Important Things, that may not necessarily get an in-depth feature  / feature profile or even be a Talking Point.
20:54:27 <rbergeron> and simultaneously, gets them sort of into "marketing mode"
20:54:30 <rbergeron> opens up that dialog :)
20:54:38 <Southern_Gentlem> quaid i agree most new people to fedora do not understand selinux and want to remove it, and in f12 system-config-selinux is gone so for the new people to have to edit /etc/selinux/conf is only salt in the wound
20:55:41 <quaid> mchua: here's my reply, but the original was on identi.ca; I'm behind a proxy that is blocking both microblogging services so I can't dive deeper:
20:55:45 <quaid> http://twitter.com/quaid/status/6457010955
20:55:55 * rbergeron notes that her only open topic item for this week was to say that next week would be an awesome time to discuss the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump and the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm items
20:56:08 <mchua> Let me just chime in with two really quick things
20:56:11 <quaid> Southern_Gentlem: right, and there is 30% of our userbase who choose to disable it
20:56:11 <mchua> #topic SOPs
20:56:13 <hiemanshu> Southern_Gentlem: s/new/most Even though Many people have been Linux and/or Fedora for years, they still dont understand SELinux
20:56:14 <quaid> why?
20:56:25 <rbergeron> and the "under the hood" stuff i was just talking was on my list for putting on the brainstorm list
20:56:31 <quaid> <selinux />
20:56:32 <hiemanshu> Due to simple fact of the feature not be exposed well
20:56:37 <mchua> #topic #open floor
20:56:41 <mchua> (sorry, should let this finish first)
20:56:43 <rbergeron> mchua: th :)
20:56:45 * quaid pushes that topic off to the side for mchua
20:56:45 <rbergeron> thx
20:56:55 <quaid> go ahead, get it in w/in the hour
20:57:09 <quaid> mine is an open ended, "Now is the time, you are heading here, the iron is hot, STRIKE!!!"
20:57:20 <Southern_Gentlem> quaid and alot of people feel that because s-c-selinux has been removed that we have taken their freedom away and are now forceing them to use it if they want to or not
20:57:37 <quaid> Southern_Gentlem: they are free to repackage or replace it )
20:57:39 <quaid> :)
20:58:04 <mchua> er, lemme just interject two really quick topics here
20:58:05 <rbergeron> i think quaid was mostly talking from a "regular end-user like robyn" perspective.... right?
20:58:05 <mchua> #topic SOPs
20:58:05 <mchua> #info our SOPs are now easy to make!
20:58:05 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs has a list of current SOPs as well as a SOP on how to make SOPs.
20:58:08 <mchua> #link http://blog.melchua.com/2009/12/15/please-steal-this-sop/ has the longer narrative
20:58:14 <mchua> #topic logo!
20:58:14 <mchua> #info we have shiny flair, thanks to tatica for making us a logo! Check it out on our wiki page...
20:58:17 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
20:58:20 <mchua> #info the svg source is available, it's linked to from the image directly
20:58:23 <mchua> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:FedoraMarketing.png
20:58:25 * mchua is done
20:58:27 <wwoods> wait, what? system-config-selinux is still in F12
20:58:27 <rbergeron> oh sweeeeet
20:58:27 <mchua> #topic open floor
20:58:30 <Southern_Gentlem> that still doesnt help with those impressions
20:58:30 <mchua> rbergeron: back to you
20:58:41 <tatica> o/
20:58:46 * rbergeron looks back to the selinux conversation
20:58:46 <wwoods> it hasn't been removed at all. nobody's taking anyone's freedoms.
20:59:46 <wwoods> heck there's even a new update for it in updates-testing
20:59:52 <Southern_Gentlem> wwoods,  please show me the gui for changeing selinux please
20:59:55 <wwoods> or rather, about to hit updates-testing
20:59:56 <wwoods> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/policycoreutils-2.0.78-3.fc12
21:00:09 <Southern_Gentlem> in f12 system-config-selinux does not exist
21:00:20 <wwoods> oh really?
21:00:33 <mchua> So, hang on. Is there something that the Marketing team can do about this Right Now? Because I'm trying to figure out how this fits into our meeting. ;)
21:00:42 * mchua notes we're running short on time.
21:00:44 * rbergeron wonders if selinux maybe needs a marketing lesson :)
21:00:49 <hiemanshu> Southern_Gentlem: F12 here, have it running just fine
21:00:53 <mchua> rbergeron suggested discussing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_brain_dump and
21:00:56 <mchua> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/F13_Brainstorm items next week, which sounds like a good plan; between now and then, we have a FUDCon survey to get out, and more infrastructure to put up
21:01:01 <Southern_Gentlem> yes came up for me as well
21:01:09 <wwoods> http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/s-c-selinux.png
21:01:14 <rsc> quaid: that means I just can patch s-c-selinux in Rawhide to get the disabling option back? :)
21:01:30 <rbergeron> yes
21:01:34 <Southern_Gentlem> wwoods,  i stand corrected
21:01:40 <hiemanshu> http://fpaste.org/6ZUe/
21:01:47 <hiemanshu> damn wwoods beat me to it
21:01:52 <rbergeron> #action next week: go through brainstorm items, try to get some estimates on time / resources needed / etc.
21:02:07 <quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable.
21:02:11 <quaid> <summary />
21:02:24 <rbergeron> quaid: I totally agree
21:02:39 <hiemanshu> quaid: +1
21:02:46 <rbergeron> #action chew on this: quaid> I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a
21:02:47 <rbergeron> "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing
21:02:47 <rbergeron> this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable.
21:02:52 <rbergeron> oh, paste fail.
21:03:00 * rbergeron cries
21:03:08 <hiemanshu> #action I can see two things - i) many features and sub-projects could use a "from research to PR" for their work, and ii) we can start doing this with Desktop right away to define something repeatable
21:03:09 * mchua needs to publish notes from meeting with mccann last week on Marketing + Desktop teamwork for this cycle
21:03:12 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: there you go
21:03:16 <mchua> #action mchua publish meeting-with-Desktop notes
21:03:17 <rbergeron> thank you :)
21:03:39 <mchua> I think we have plenty to sprint on this week :)
21:03:40 <rbergeron> mchua: should we add that to the discuss list for next week?
21:03:44 * rbergeron nods
21:03:45 <mchua> rbergeron: Yeah, good idea
21:04:13 <rbergeron> is that everything then?
21:04:22 * rbergeron knows that mchua likes doing the counting down thing.
21:04:35 * quaid has to jet, see ya
21:04:46 <rbergeron> quaid: thx for feedback ;)
21:06:13 <hiemanshu> btw, did you speak about the fedora-tour stuff?
21:06:26 <mchua> rbergeron: go for it, you've pretty much run the whole meeting and should get to do the countdown fun ;)
21:06:33 <mchua> hiemanshu: not this week, Ryan is out
21:06:35 <rbergeron> hiemanshu, we talked to it in the sense of, hey, nobody's here to talk about it :)
21:06:50 <hiemanshu> I wanted to speak about it, but Well I was late
21:07:08 <hiemanshu> mchua: he has an exam later this week IIRC
21:07:11 <rbergeron> hiemanshu: please, we'd love a briefing
21:07:15 * mchua nods, it's that time of year
21:07:26 <rbergeron> #topic infrastructure update - fedora-tour
21:07:41 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: so they are still fighting to get a good backend for it
21:07:57 <hiemanshu> ryan has made a git with a couple of mockups and code
21:08:04 <hiemanshu> git repo**
21:08:25 <hiemanshu> Right now they are messing around with cairo, atleast they were when I last spoke to Ankur
21:09:07 <hiemanshu> They dont want to use GTK as GTK cannot do flashy stuff
21:09:18 <hiemanshu> and Qt will not be allowed in the desktop spin
21:09:37 <hiemanshu> so they are running around for suggestion
21:09:44 * rbergeron nods
21:09:47 <hiemanshu> we should probably hit people at #fedora-devel
21:09:52 <hiemanshu> or the list
21:10:11 <rbergeron> hiemanshu: is there anything anyone can do to help out / move things along?
21:10:55 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: we need to get more people, right now its probably only the 3 of us, and both of them have been out of Contact
21:11:09 <hiemanshu> Ankur is back home, and Ryan is out for exams
21:12:06 <rbergeron> do you know when Ankur will be back? I know ryan shoudl be around next week, id' guess
21:12:21 <hiemanshu> rbergeron: he would be back early next month
21:12:27 <rbergeron> maybe having a round-up on resources / what needs to be done might be an idea
21:12:32 <rbergeron> when everyone gets back
21:12:38 <hiemanshu> Yup
21:12:50 <hiemanshu> I have been tryin to speak to Ankur, he is on and off IRC
21:13:09 <rbergeron> ok
21:13:17 <hiemanshu> Ryan will be back on friday
21:13:19 <hiemanshu> Thats what he told me
21:13:25 <rbergeron> ok
21:13:38 <hiemanshu> We even talked about the Tour in a browser
21:13:44 <hiemanshu> but mchua was against that idea
21:13:58 <mchua> I was? I thought I was for that, but... anyway.
21:13:58 * hiemanshu pokes mchua
21:14:03 * rbergeron laughs
21:14:06 <hiemanshu> mchua: thats what I was told
21:14:07 * mchua suggests an update to the mailing list
21:14:10 <rbergeron> hiemanshu:
21:14:13 <rbergeron> mchua beat me to it.
21:14:44 <mchua> (should we wrap up? we're a little late today)
21:14:50 <mchua> and have limesurvey to sprint on and such
21:14:53 <rbergeron> i was going to say, maybe a weekly status update or something would be helpful for you guys. a, lets us know what's going on, since you are all in different time zones; b, it gives you an opportunity to do your shout-out for "hey come give us a hand!"
21:14:54 <hiemanshu> mchua: go ahead, thats All I have for now
21:15:01 <mchua> (but boy, this was a productive meeting!)
21:15:04 * rbergeron nods
21:15:21 * rbergeron is ready to do the countdown
21:15:26 <rbergeron> ........5!
21:15:28 <rbergeron> 4!
21:15:29 <rbergeron> 3!
21:15:31 <rbergeron> 2!
21:15:34 * hiemanshu crashes, have to wake up in 3 hours
21:15:41 * rbergeron looks for some ascii rockets... no go
21:15:43 <rbergeron> 1!
21:15:48 <rbergeron> #3ndmeeting
21:15:50 <rbergeron> hmmmm
21:15:52 <rbergeron> #endmeeting