15:09:23 <tk009> #startmeeting 15:09:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 27 15:09:23 2009 UTC. The chair is tk009. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:09:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:09:36 <tk009> bugzappers meeting, how all is here 15:09:37 <adamw> morning 15:09:51 <tk009> morning =) 15:10:34 <SMParrish> morning all 15:10:39 <tk009> morning 15:11:09 <tk009> well not a big crowd today 15:11:30 <adamw> iarlyy might be coming i think 15:11:35 * iarlyy here now 15:11:40 <iarlyy> hi all 15:11:56 <adamw> Mystic Adam will pick your lottery numbers for $10 15:12:25 * thomasj here as well 15:12:33 <iarlyy> morning/afternoon all 15:12:44 <tk009> morning you two 15:12:56 <tk009> okay first up I guess is 15:13:16 <thomasj> yeah $DAY_OF_TIME to you all ;) 15:13:21 <tk009> #topic Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation? 15:13:35 <thomasj> meouw time_of_day 15:13:42 <adamw> let me go look at the calendar 15:13:44 <adamw> just a sec 15:13:53 <tk009> I liked day of time better =) 15:14:03 * thomasj grabs more coffe :) 15:14:42 <adamw> hmm, nope. not listed on there 15:14:55 <adamw> Oxf13: around? what's the date for rawhide switchover to being f13, on the current schedule? 15:16:19 <adamw> oh well. :) that's the question: the day rawhide stops being f12 and starts being f13 is the day for the semantic change 15:16:27 <tk009> =) 15:16:35 <jwb> adamw, usually after the release has been staged to the mirrors 15:16:39 <adamw> which, to remind everyone, means you stop setting triaged bugs to ASSIGNED and start using the Triaged keyword instead 15:16:57 <tk009> I have seen some bugs already have it 15:17:05 <adamw> jwb: thanks, so that'd be 2009-11-12 15:17:35 <jwb> sounds right within a margin of +/- a few days 15:17:35 <adamw> tk009: yeah, we did say people could go ahead and use it as well as ASSIGNED if they liked, but the change date is when we all should switch for all rawhide bugs 15:17:51 <tk009> kk =) 15:18:07 <tk009> #topic Triage Metrics - Any updates or information? 15:18:23 <tk009> no comphappy nor have I heard from him 15:18:29 <tk009> has anyone else? 15:18:29 <iarlyy> hey so after 2009-11-12 we get start with triaged keyword 15:18:39 <tk009> yes 15:18:49 <tk009> you could be doing it now if you like 15:18:55 <tk009> as adamw said 15:19:26 <adamw> yeah, nothing from Comet Comphappy here either 15:19:51 <tk009> I jsut want/need to know how he obtained the data 15:20:31 <adamw> if it's not in the code, i'm not sure 15:21:00 <tk009> that last code I saw it was not 15:21:06 <cebbert> ok, here now 15:21:22 <tk009> it was just python for displaying the information 15:21:29 <tk009> nothing about gathering that i saw 15:21:29 <iarlyy> metrics has a trac instance? 15:21:36 <iarlyy> isn't? what addr? 15:22:12 <tk009> it does but nothing is there 15:22:12 <adamw> yeah, it's in triage trac i think? 15:22:12 <adamw> just a sec 15:22:24 <adamw> https://fedorahosted.org/triage/ 15:23:48 <adamw> i guess we can throw him an email and hope for the best 15:24:04 <tk009> moving on 15:24:22 <tk009> #topic Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change. 15:24:49 <tk009> this is really about the lifecycle image. soething that was never finished 15:24:59 <tk009> I assume that will change yet again 15:25:08 <adamw> only a minor change 15:25:33 <tk009> do the wiki information need any changes? 15:25:41 <iarlyy> what would be "semantics change".. 15:25:50 <adamw> iarlyy: as we discussed above 15:25:56 <tk009> I should of added a link for that 15:26:02 <iarlyy> ops 15:26:03 <adamw> iarlyy: using the Triaged keyword, not ASSIGNED state, to indicate triaged bugs 15:26:04 <iarlyy> x) 15:26:07 <iarlyy> only it? 15:26:12 <adamw> yes, that's all 15:26:38 <adamw> on the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow page we'd only have to change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged 15:26:58 <adamw> and then change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text 15:27:02 <adamw> pretty simple 15:29:55 <tk009> well nothing to change right away, will keep it in mind for meeting on the 10 15:30:07 <tk009> does that work? 15:30:22 <adamw> yup 15:30:49 <tk009> #topic Open Floor - Your topic here. 15:31:18 <tk009> anyone? 15:31:20 <tk009> =) 15:31:36 <iarlyy> I was a little away... we still having triage day after meetings? 15:31:49 <adamw> well, my standard comment around release time: if you're looking after any bugs you think are sufficiently serious they shouldn't be in the release, please mark them as release blockers 15:31:53 <adamw> set them to block the bug F12Blocker 15:32:19 <adamw> iarlyy: um. officially, yes. practically, not really :/ tk009 is planning a proper one for friday though 15:32:52 <tk009> I was going t osend the email (revised) tomorrow 15:33:01 <tk009> announcing the event 15:33:09 <tk009> I did have one question tho 15:33:15 <adamw> yup? 15:33:22 <tk009> is there anything planned for friday that I missed 15:33:33 <tk009> like blocker meetings or something? 15:33:43 <adamw> the blocker meeting happens friday, yeah 15:33:44 <adamw> so i'll have to split my time a bit 15:33:52 <tk009> how should we work that? 15:34:10 <adamw> but there's _something_ happening just about every day around release time 15:34:10 <adamw> and i'm the only bugzapper who'll be at the blocker meeting, going on past experience 15:34:12 <tk009> yes that is true 15:34:17 <adamw> so everyone else should be able to come to the triage day 15:34:25 <tk009> you are incorrect 15:34:26 <tk009> hehe 15:34:30 <tk009> I am always there 15:34:36 <adamw> ah yes, lurking :) sorry 15:34:37 <tk009> I jsut dont always say anything 15:35:13 <adamw> well, we could move the date if you're worried? 15:35:15 <tk009> should we plan it later in the day? 15:35:35 <adamw> that could work, but then it'd be late for people in europe 15:36:15 <tk009> unless someone objects, we'll keep it friday and just roll with it 15:37:01 <tk009> maybe the blocker meeting will be short 15:37:03 <adamw> i think that's fine 15:37:09 <adamw> ahahaha. ahhahaha. good one. 15:37:10 <tk009> I know better,but can hope 15:37:40 <tk009> the only other thing I had was housekeeping related 15:37:50 <tk009> I will get with poelcat later on that 15:38:23 <adamw> yeah, nothing else here 15:38:43 <tk009> so anyone else have something they like to bring up 15:38:56 * poelcat was just thinking of that 15:39:04 <tk009> =) 15:39:20 <poelcat> someone should send the "warning email" soon 15:39:31 <tk009> I was looking at that this morning 15:39:36 <tk009> I can if you like 15:39:49 <tk009> I changed the date for sending it 15:40:12 <poelcat> tk009: that would be awesome 15:40:13 <tk009> err the deadline date that is 15:40:53 <tk009> #action tk009 to complete and send the housekeeping developer warning email 15:41:52 <tk009> I ma forgetting something that I am sure I will remember 5 minutes from now 15:42:09 <adamw> you're forgetting to pass a resolution on how awesome I am? 15:42:36 <tk009> we did that already 15:42:40 <tk009> no agreement was reached =P 15:42:43 <adamw> yeah, it's been at least five minutes 15:42:49 <adamw> time for another =) 15:43:47 <tk009> I guess that is all for today then, thank you all for coming =) 15:44:08 <adamw> yup, thanks everyone! 15:44:12 <tk009> unless someone has something ? 15:44:34 <tk009> echo tango suitcase 15:44:39 <tk009> #endmeeting