00:01:25 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:25 2009 UTC.  The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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00:01:34 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call
00:01:38 * Sparks 
00:01:56 * ke4qqq 
00:01:57 * joat .
00:01:59 * jjmcd .
00:02:15 * joat thinks Spark's calendar is just as busted as his
00:03:08 <Sparks> Good group so far
00:03:23 <Sparks> joat: My calendar is all messed up now that I'm doing an ST&E
00:03:42 * ke4qqq is in and out
00:04:00 <joat> Sparks: I'm still sans-calendar
00:04:05 <joat> waiting for account
00:04:11 * radsy shuffles in
00:04:21 * rudi is here
00:05:05 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started
00:05:22 <Sparks> #topic Beta Release Announcement
00:05:29 <Sparks> jjmcd: Go ahead, I think you added this
00:05:58 <jjmcd> Well, its no surprise, is it.  We need to get working on the release announcement
00:06:22 <jjmcd> Isn't the updated GA like a week away?  Not sure the exact date
00:06:56 <jjmcd> 20th?
00:06:58 <Sparks> jjmcd: I honestly haven't had a chance to look at my calendar in days
00:07:11 <jjmcd> hehe - yeah, I know what you mean
00:07:18 <rudi> November 17, I thought?
00:07:30 <jjmcd> SRI - i meant beta
00:08:07 <jjmcd> Beta is almost upon us and we need to do the announcement.  Not a really big deal, tho, not like GA
00:08:34 <Sparks> Can we just take Alpha and just change it to Beta?
00:08:43 <jjmcd> Pretty much
00:09:00 <Sparks> volunteers?
00:09:26 <jjmcd> I can do some with someone to bounce thoughts off
00:09:49 <jjmcd> preferably someone who doesn't live upside-down
00:10:09 * Sparks is living upside-down in Virginia!
00:10:33 <jjmcd> All these upside down guys sleep when I'm awake!
00:11:03 <jjmcd> I haven't seen Zach in a while, I'd twist his arm
00:11:54 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay, maybe put something out on the list?
00:12:08 <jjmcd> Yeah, maybe poke a few folks
00:12:53 <Sparks> Okay...  anything else on this topic?
00:13:28 <Sparks> #topic f-r-n.rpm
00:13:36 <Sparks> jjmcd: Okay, what's up with this?
00:13:44 <jjmcd> OK, mostly by way of a heads-up
00:13:59 <jjmcd> Our schedule had us doing the beta rpm last tuesday
00:14:17 <Sparks> and did "we"?
00:14:17 <jjmcd> With the schedule slip, I translated that to yesterday to get the max transations
00:14:33 <jjmcd> Turns out, it needed to be done about 4 weeks ago to make it into beta
00:14:40 <Sparks> ?!?
00:14:49 <jjmcd> Yeah, that's about what I said
00:15:02 <Sparks> How did that all work?  That doesn't make sense.
00:15:08 <jjmcd> So, no f-r-n.rpm in beta
00:15:46 <jjmcd> Not sure.  A lot changed between the time the schedule came out and when we talked with john and l10n to set it up
00:16:00 <ke4qqq> have we followed up with poelcat to make sure our schedule reflects proper date
00:16:02 <jjmcd> but also, we weren't paying close attention to the freezes
00:16:05 <ke4qqq> for next release
00:16:34 <jjmcd> Yes, that was an action item from the meeting, plus, I've been talking with Jesse to better understand the whole process
00:16:51 <jjmcd> Which I've mostly been ignoring, sor of do whaterver the sked says
00:17:29 <jjmcd> Bottom line, tho, I think is that we really need to own this.  Having Jesse and Paul as owners makes us too disconnected
00:18:25 <jjmcd> Thats what I have. Other questions?
00:19:10 <ke4qqq> what do you mean by "having us own this"
00:19:40 <jjmcd> Release notes are owned by paul and jesse, so we can't, for example, submit a koji
00:19:56 <Sparks> jjmcd: I think you should be an owner
00:20:02 <Sparks> jjmcd: In addition to others as well
00:20:10 <ke4qqq> ahhh cvs perms
00:20:12 <jjmcd> But first I need to better understand the whole process
00:20:30 <jjmcd> I can make a RPM just fine, but I have little concept of what happens after that
00:20:42 <jjmcd> In the past I've just handed it to Jesse and magic happens
00:21:10 <Sparks> jjmcd: It isn't that difficult to get it through.  Heck, I've even done it.
00:21:18 <jjmcd> I'm sure it isn't
00:21:30 <jjmcd> Just need the map
00:21:46 <Sparks> heck, if you can do git, svn, and cvn, then you are golden!
00:21:59 <Sparks> jjmcd: I think it's on the wiki...  I'll see if I can find it for you
00:22:22 <jjmcd> Seems like I found it, and I felt like it had some holes but that was a while ago
00:22:51 <Sparks> Okay...
00:23:03 <Sparks> anything else on this topic?
00:24:07 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:24:23 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:24:41 <Sparks> Any update on this?
00:25:52 <Sparks> Anyone?
00:26:50 <Sparks> Okay then...
00:26:55 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:27:04 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:27:17 <Sparks> I can't remember if I sent out the message to the list or not, now...
00:27:52 <rudi> Will start rebuilding F11 and F12 guides RSN
00:27:53 <Sparks> But for those that are onboard, can you modify your license pages using the new publican-fedora brand and redo your uploads to docs.fp.o?
00:28:10 <Sparks> I'd like to have everything changed over by next Wednesday.
00:29:35 <jjmcd> hehe - I didn't notice, but the RN's for L10N all say CC-BY-SA
00:29:43 <Sparks> Cool!
00:29:43 <Sparks> :)
00:29:54 <jjmcd> Except for Chinese which hasn't run in a while
00:30:15 <rudi> Sparks -- will do :)
00:30:49 <Sparks> Ya
00:30:51 <Sparks> rudi: Cool
00:30:56 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this?
00:31:18 <jjmcd> Is the Pravne odrdbe supposed to be always english?
00:31:37 <Sparks> is the who?
00:31:56 <jjmcd> Legal Notice
00:32:10 <jjmcd> It is in English for all langs, although it's title isn't
00:32:29 <Sparks> Yes
00:32:51 <Sparks> We aren't supposed to translate the legal notice as it might loose something in translation
00:33:10 <jjmcd> Makes sense
00:33:30 <rudi> jjmcd -- the title should be localised, the text should not
00:33:40 <jjmcd> ANd that is the case
00:34:02 <rudi> If you see a language where the title isn't localised, it's because the string "legal notice" is missing from the docbooks-locale file currently in Fedora
00:34:31 <jjmcd> I see assamese isn't
00:34:52 <rudi> There is currently no stylesheet for Assamese at all, even upstream
00:35:00 <rudi> I'm working on that with the DocBook community
00:36:13 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:36:46 <Sparks> #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:36:55 <Sparks> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
00:37:01 <Sparks> Does anyone have any updates on this?
00:38:42 * Sparks hears crickets chirping
00:38:53 <Sparks> Okay, moving on.
00:39:00 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs?
00:39:06 <Sparks> Any guides have any needs?
00:40:02 <Sparks> #topic New Guides
00:40:08 <Sparks> Any new guides on the horizon?
00:41:34 <Sparks> #topic Other business
00:41:38 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
00:42:32 <Sparks> Anything at all?
00:42:43 <rudi> me
00:43:08 <rudi> Just an update that Publican 1.0 is very near now -- should be finished within days
00:43:19 <rudi> But it won't be in Fedora any time soon
00:43:25 <jjmcd> whew
00:43:32 <Sparks> rudi: No?
00:43:48 <rudi> Because we've been waiting weeks for dependencies get approved
00:44:14 <rudi> At this rate, it actually looks like Publican 1.0 will be in *Debian* before it gets into Fedora...
00:44:20 <Sparks> Ugh
00:44:21 <rudi> (I'm not exaggerating...)
00:46:51 <Sparks> Okay...  Well, I don't know.
00:47:49 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
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00:49:15 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming!
00:49:19 <Sparks> #endmeeting