05:08:08 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:08:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 13 05:08:08 2009 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:08:33 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-10-13
05:09:46 <dychen_> Hi juhp
05:10:48 <phuang> hi
05:11:33 <juhp> ping tagoh3 fujiwarat
05:11:42 <fujiwarat> hi
05:11:52 <juhp> I think Pravin is away today
05:12:09 <juhp> (and Parag)
05:12:59 <juhp> probably be a short meeting unless anyone has addtional topics or we find lots of bugs to discuss...
05:13:28 <juhp> #topic test day
05:14:37 <juhp> I think we will move the day to 2009-10-27 since we need a little more time to prepare...
05:15:14 <juhp> alas I have been too busy with other stuff to have time to start writing testcases etc and don't think anyone have has either...
05:15:19 <tagoh3> hi
05:19:59 <juhp> #topic F12
05:20:17 <juhp> we're will into devel freeze now and beta should be out finally next week I believe
05:20:37 <juhp> hope you have all had some chance to test rawhide
05:21:01 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/I18n
05:21:16 <juhp> The relnotes are pretty short and simple
05:21:24 <juhp> anything more we should add there?
05:22:51 <juhp> hmm
05:22:53 <juhp> * Internationalization of Fedora is maintained by the Fedora Internationalization Project -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N
05:22:53 <juhp> * Localization (translation) of Fedora is coordinated by the Fedora Localization Project -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
05:23:06 <juhp> I don't particularly like these sentences
05:23:29 <juhp> dunno if we should rewrite, drop them or ...?  just leave them?
05:24:32 <juhp> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f11/en-US/sect-Release_Notes-International_Language_Support.html
05:24:37 <juhp> is what we had in f11
05:25:24 <tagoh3> what the purpose is it for?
05:25:30 <juhp> indeed
05:25:41 <juhp> just sounds like self-promotion :)
05:25:50 <tagoh3> aha
05:25:55 <juhp> ;)
05:26:19 <juhp> well I think it was added to distinguish i18n and l10n
05:26:27 <juhp> but not sure it helps
05:26:39 <juhp> everyone still thinks i18n = l10n anyway ;)
05:26:59 <juhp> at the time when l10n hijacked our relnotes ;o)
05:27:11 <juhp> so let's just drop it then
05:27:22 <juhp> I don't think it really adds any value to the relnotes
05:27:29 <tagoh3> nod
05:28:47 <juhp> done
05:29:13 <juhp> not very sure on the string freeze for relnotes but anyway
05:29:21 <juhp> or rather forget
05:31:50 <juhp> okay anything more on relnotes?
05:32:57 <juhp> ok moving on
05:34:13 * juhp is little distracted by the heavy rain outside...
05:34:40 <juhp> #topic bugs
05:35:20 <juhp> no i18n blockers currently
05:35:28 <juhp> 3 targets
05:35:58 <juhp> probably non of them will make f12-final I guess?
05:36:27 <juhp> 90 rawhide bugs
05:38:06 <juhp> dychen and I were testing a weird pango bug recently
05:38:10 <juhp> on x86_64
05:38:20 <juhp> .bug 519317
05:38:22 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 519317 AR PL UMing HK Light does not show properly in x86_64 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519317
05:38:22 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=519317 high, medium, ---, besfahbo, ASSIGNED, AR PL UMing HK Light does not show properly in x86_64
05:38:24 <buggbot> Bug 519317: high, medium, ---, besfahbo, ASSIGNED, AR PL UMing HK Light does not show properly in x86_64
05:38:34 <juhp> oops
05:39:10 <juhp> took me a while but turns out to be highly reproducible
05:39:29 <dychen> Especially in live images.
05:39:45 <juhp> one workaround is removing the cjkuni bitmap fontconfig .conf...
05:40:04 <juhp> curious what behdad has to say on it
05:40:15 <dychen> Another is downgrade to F-9's cjkunifonts.
05:40:24 <juhp> do we have any other ttc fonts in fedora?
05:40:40 <juhp> guess there should be some but seems it is bitmap
05:44:33 <juhp> phuang: do we need to worry about bug 527243?
05:44:35 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=527243 medium, low, ---, phuang, NEW, [abrt] crash detected in ibus-
05:46:14 <phuang> I will check it
05:46:22 <juhp> thanks
05:46:40 <juhp> phuang: maybe you can ask aalam if he has more info
05:47:35 <juhp> (though maybe unlikely since it is from abrt)
05:47:37 <phuang> ok
05:48:00 <phuang> it should not be run by self
05:48:16 <juhp> ah hm
05:48:21 <juhp> phuang: was it?
05:48:32 <phuang> Should use /usr/libexec/ibus-ui-gtk
05:48:48 <phuang> It will set some env before executing the python program
05:49:48 <phuang> what is abrt?
05:50:08 <juhp> :)
05:50:21 <juhp> Automatic Bug Reporting Tool
05:50:24 <juhp> or close to that
05:51:05 <phuang> ok
05:52:04 <juhp> it is new in f12
05:52:14 <juhp> ok anything else?
05:52:54 <juhp> I think we better schedule a meeting for the test day though India is going on holiday soon
05:53:45 <juhp> #action juhp to schedule planning meeting for Test Day
05:54:22 <juhp> I think we are done unless anyone has any other points to talk about?
05:55:25 <juhp> ok thank you for the meeting then
05:56:04 <juhp> #endmeeting