14:01:53 #startmeeting KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-09-15 14:01:53 Meeting started Tue Sep 15 14:01:53 2009 UTC. The chair is Kevin_Kofler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:52 #chair than rdieter ltinkl jreznik SMParrish svahl mathstuf 14:02:52 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler SMParrish jreznik ltinkl mathstuf rdieter svahl than 14:03:06 So, who's present? 14:03:13 here (for ~15 minutes) 14:03:21 * svahl is here 14:03:23 here 14:03:38 We have only 1 agenda item, is there anything else to discuss? 14:03:39 than said he had to leave office early today, would miss meeting 14:03:55 here 14:03:59 Should we continue the Phonon discussion we started on #fedora-kde? 14:04:01 Kevin_Kofler: phonon fun ? :) 14:04:22 Before or after the other topic? 14:04:31 if there's nothing better to do anyway, with than absent, not sure if there's any definitive decisions to be had 14:04:47 phonon can go last 14:04:59 OK 14:05:18 I have another item: post-4.3.1 fixes. 14:06:05 Well, let's start, if you can think of anything else, we can add it later. 14:06:11 #topic Live images dependencies: breaking libcanberra-gtk2 dependency 14:06:19 #link http://fpaste.org/Mq7P/ 14:06:21 i think i have some info on this 14:06:33 when i was upgrading my F10 box to F11 14:06:43 the problem here is that libcanberra-gtk2 needs gdm which also needs libcanberra-gtk2 14:06:54 xulrunner was getting pulled in (this is headless) 14:07:02 * thomasj late here 14:07:14 and with firstboot requires libcanberra-gtk2 due to metacity we have some gnome apps again 14:07:15 step 1: file bug(s), ping maintainers 14:07:24 Ouch, this is a real mess. 14:07:30 libsoup pulls in libproxy which has recently-split Requires: on libproxy-mozjs 14:07:34 fun ensues from there 14:07:35 We need this stuff out of the KDE spin, like yesterday. 14:07:43 xulrunner and other huge stuff. 14:07:47 libsoup could be removed without issue 14:07:47 And we don't want GDM, either. 14:08:01 so i think -libsoup in the ks file should help 14:08:06 but where to start? gdm? 14:08:28 I think libcanberra-gtk2 dragging in GDM is definitely not acceptable. 14:08:39 libcanberra-gtk2 would be a start, I think, go from there 14:08:45 It's probably the most broken link in the chain. 14:08:49 * jreznik is here, sorry a little alte 14:09:04 Kevin_Kofler: libsoup is needed by evolution-data-server which is pulled in by gdm (indirectly) 14:09:10 Firstboot requiring metacity is a longstanding beef of mine, we really need to fix it so it can use KWin as well. 14:09:24 But a library requiring a display manager? WTF? 14:09:48 what pulls in evolution then? 14:10:17 gdm -> gnome-session -> control-center -> e-d-s 14:10:45 hrm... svahl .. may be worth posting to fedora-devel for advice as well (referencing the too-be-filed bug) 14:11:06 rdieter: ok 14:11:24 I'll file a bug against libcanberra-gtk2 after the meeting then 14:11:28 Looks like libcanberra-gtk2 requires gdm just for directory ownership because of one file: 14:11:30 %{_datadir}/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/libcanberra-ready-sound.desktop 14:11:35 This is definitely broken. 14:11:43 They need to coown the directories. 14:11:45 ouchie, indeed 14:12:12 This was changed on Sep 11 in version 0.17. 14:12:19 yep 14:12:23 I'm considering just fixing it. 14:12:41 better to fill the bug and fix it - let them know 14:13:49 once the impact of the change is made clear, I'm sure a solution satisfactory to all will be found 14:14:37 Hopefully not the "file moving trigger" hack which got flamed about on the fedora-devel-list recently. ;-) 14:14:54 I think multi-ownership is the only sane solution there. 14:15:02 agreed 14:15:32 or something like ... gnome-filesystem 14:15:32 Well, a gnome-filesystem package could help, too. ;-) 14:15:38 ditto 14:16:08 jinx, ok gotta run to my appointment, bye for now 14:16:51 #info libcanberra-gtk2 requires gdm as of version 0.17 (2009-09-11), this drags in other GNOME stuff and xulrunner. 14:17:06 #info The dependency is just for directory ownership, a better solution is needed. 14:17:23 So who's going to file the bug? 14:17:46 I'll do it 14:17:52 OK 14:18:08 #action svahl to file a bug against libcanberra-gtk2 to stop requiring gdm. 14:18:26 #topic post-4.3.1 fixes 14:18:54 So 4.3.1 is now (finally!) out to stable, but we have some new bugfixes pending which we'll be pushing separately. 14:19:13 great 14:19:36 I think so far we have 2 kdenetwork fixes and 1 kdepim fix, another kdepim fix was requested on the fedora-kde ML. 14:20:22 task manager fix is no go as it's leaking... it's just oneliner not deleting tasks... 14:20:57 Where was that one? 14:21:30 So far, no post-4.3.1 updates have been filed. 14:21:34 Kevin_Kofler: I sent it yesterday on IRC, one colleague asked me 14:21:46 I'll file the kdepim one 14:21:53 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200255 14:21:54 Bug 200255: normal, NOR, ---, plasma-bugs kde org, NEW, plasma-taskbar: manually arranged entries move back after changing desktops / task groups 14:21:56 ltinkl: Please wait. 14:22:03 There's the second fix too! 14:22:11 Kevin_Kofler: which one? 14:22:18 We should submit an update for the kdenetwork fixes, for kdepim we should pull in the second fix, then submit it. 14:22:34 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206024 14:22:35 Bug 206024: crash, NOR, ---, kdepim-bugs kde org, RESOLVED FIXED, Crash when autocompleting LDAP address (KPIM::AddresseeLineEdit::slotLDAPSearchData) 14:23:10 Crash, 4.3.1 regression, got pointed out on the fedora-kde ML yesterday. 14:23:31 Kevin_Kofler: OK, I'll take care of this one as well 14:23:57 OK, let me log things to the protocol: 14:24:06 #info 4.3.1 is now out to stable. 14:24:26 #action ltinkl will take care of kdepim (adding a second bugfix, submitting the update). 14:25:01 That leaves kdenetwork, I believe rdieter built it for all distros, but no update is submitted so far. 14:26:27 I can submit the update, should we go directly to stable with that? 14:26:48 kdenetwork has: 14:26:49 - kopete/bonjour patch 14:26:49 - krfb produces garbled display (#523131, kde#162493) 14:27:05 But I can also queue it for testing and push to stable after it hit testing. 14:28:49 #action Kevin_Kofler to file kdenetwork update. 14:28:57 #topic future of Phonon 14:29:10 So that's the hot topic of the moment. ;-) 14:30:37 I think we should let this topic again - we miss than & rdieter... 14:31:12 but I think we should target on solution - and it's not which one, but ask upstream, that we actually need only ONE 14:31:44 yup, first ask upstream, phonon & Qt devs 14:32:08 * SMParrish agrees 14:32:28 #agreed topic deferred to next week, after getting upstream feedback and with the key KDE SIG people (hopefully) present 14:32:38 #topic Open Discussion 14:32:47 So that was it for the agenda. :-) 14:32:50 Anything else to discuss? 14:33:08 f12 snapshot 2 14:33:15 for those running rawhide a new kpackagekit will be built today and needs some testing 14:33:36 SMParrish: thanks, I'll try it tomorrow 14:33:47 libcanberra-gtk2 bug was already filed: bug #522998 14:33:48 Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=522998 medium, medium, ---, lpoetter, NEW, remove libcanberra-gtk2 dependency on gdm 14:34:01 I tried snapshot - it's missing constantine-kde-theme 14:34:22 we should test all publicaly available isos before they should go wild 14:34:32 Ugh, missing dependency somewhere? 14:35:09 svahl: could you check if constantine-kde-theme is dragged to live cd? 14:35:56 jreznik: on my images from today it is present: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList 14:36:32 * jreznik is going to check what's wrong on snapshot live cd 14:37:01 kdenetwork updates filed: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdenetwork 14:37:20 (queued for testing for now, none of the fixes is that urgent) 14:40:17 im off, class soon 14:41:58 Oh, can anybody please review this one? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523355 14:41:59 Bug 523355: medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: kio_gopher - Gopher KIO slave for Konqueror 14:42:04 Should be a fairly easy review. :-) 14:42:24 rpmlint actually has 0 complaints. ;-) 14:43:09 Kevin_Kofler: I take it 14:43:52 Thanks. :-) 14:43:59 And another task: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520954 14:44:00 Bug 520954: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, kdeedu embeds python-mwclient and it's broken 14:44:08 We need python-mwclient packaged ASAP. 14:44:15 It should be fairly easy to package. 14:44:32 The bundled copy in kdeedu is both a guideline violation and broken. 14:46:10 I can take a look at it 14:47:23 #action jreznik will review kio_gopher. 14:47:38 #action SMParrish will take a look at packaging python-mwclient. 14:48:16 Oh, and I forgot to log this one: 14:48:23 #action jreznik is going to check what's wrong on the snapshot live CD 14:49:04 Anything else? 14:50:21 Closing meeting in 1 minute. 14:51:54 #endmeeting