05:01:51 <juhp> #startmeeting I18n
05:01:51 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 15 05:01:51 2009 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:02:12 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2009-09-15
05:02:33 <dychen_> Hi juhp
05:02:41 <pravin_s> hi juhp
05:02:43 <juhp> hi dychen
05:02:57 <tagoh> hi
05:04:22 <juhp> ping paragn, phuang_
05:04:32 <phuang_> hi
05:05:40 <juhp> okay let's start
05:05:43 <paragan> juhp, hi
05:05:47 <fujiwarat> hi
05:05:57 <jni> hi
05:06:00 <juhp> bah:
05:06:12 <juhp> #topic Test Day!
05:09:29 <onekopaka> there.
05:09:38 <onekopaka> somehow.
05:09:56 <juhp> magic :)
05:09:57 <onekopaka> continue on with your Internationalization.
05:11:19 <onekopaka> I'll check whether you lost your log
05:11:19 <juhp> ok
05:11:39 <juhp> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/25 has a suggestion we might focus more on printing/rendering as well as input
05:11:53 <onekopaka> juhp: it's still logging.
05:12:00 <juhp> any thoughts on that or suggestions
05:12:04 <juhp> onekopaka: nice!
05:12:10 <juhp> thanks for your help
05:14:38 <tagoh> yeah..
05:15:53 * onekopaka is now worried about zodbot's health.
05:19:32 <juhp> sorry...
05:19:39 <juhp> was just testing something
05:19:55 <juhp> tagoh: actually i have trouble displaying ja pdf in f12...
05:19:55 <pravin_s> juhp: can we decide date 14 Oct
05:20:24 <pravin_s> as 13 Oct is release of Beta, so we will get one more day if there are any bugs
05:21:09 <juhp> ah 15 is start of holiday in India I see
05:21:22 <tagoh> juhp: hm, it may depends what kind of fonts it use.
05:21:32 <tagoh> with/without the embedded fonts
05:21:34 <juhp> pravin_s: perhaps we can start on 14 in India :)
05:21:51 <juhp> tagoh: ok without I guess
05:21:54 <pravin_s> yeah
05:22:05 <juhp> tagoh: it is fine on my f11 box fwiw
05:22:15 <tagoh> juhp: aha
05:24:25 <juhp> hmm will test more later
05:25:15 <juhp> we might also want to test browser printing/rendering
05:25:55 <juhp> okay we may have another meeting to discuss the details
05:26:27 <juhp> guess next step is to create a page for the event and we can start to elaborate and collaborate there
05:27:23 <juhp> #topic F12
05:27:52 <juhp> beta seems to be slipping 2 weeks - with freeze on 29 Sep
05:30:20 <juhp> we got 2 blocker bugs
05:30:32 <juhp> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=fedora-i18n-bugs@redhat.com&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=473303
05:30:53 <juhp> erm 3
05:32:18 <pravin_s> juhp:  i will fix bitmap-fonts this week
05:32:31 <juhp> great
05:32:53 * juhp fixes the links on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Bugs#Fedora_i18n_bugs
05:36:14 <juhp> and updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Bugs#Statistics
05:36:25 <juhp> hmm not too bad
05:37:28 <juhp> nim-nim has been looking at the droid-fonts issue for ja but guess it needs some fontconfig changes
05:38:32 <juhp> phuang_: will you build for bug 509518 ?
05:38:33 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=509518 medium, low, ---, phuang, ON_DEV, ibus-anthy should only override to jp layout for kana input
05:39:58 <juhp> tagoh: not sure what to do about bug 518928
05:39:59 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=518928 medium, medium, ---, tagoh, NEW, all English text in Japanese KDE apps looks double-spaced
05:40:07 <phuang_> juhp, should be in this week
05:40:57 <juhp> thanks
05:41:16 <juhp> any other bugs on people's minds?
05:41:33 <tagoh> juhp: still no responses from upstream..
05:41:40 <juhp> ...
05:41:49 <juhp> I wasn't expecting any ;o)
05:42:09 <juhp> well hope we hear something but may take a while?
05:42:24 <tagoh> juhp: may need some days
05:42:33 <juhp> sure
05:42:58 <juhp> I dunno what to expect since it is new project - I was thinking more weeks...
05:43:34 <juhp> anyway guess japanese kde users may prefer to use vlgothic
05:43:40 <tagoh> juhp: likely if they reply on my mail with the certain answer.
05:44:11 <juhp> or months :)
05:44:55 <juhp> yeah anyway not sure how often we can expect ipa fonts updates - unless an active community emerges?
05:45:07 <tagoh> I'd like to know their awareness on this issue at least though..
05:45:10 <juhp> let's hope for the best
05:45:15 <juhp> yep sure
05:45:22 <tagoh> then I could close it as UPSTREAM perhaps.
05:45:52 <juhp> yeah anyway we need some workaround for f12 I feel
05:47:10 <tagoh> sure
05:47:53 <juhp> I dunno if the kde issue is a blocker though I feel it is ugly
05:49:22 <tagoh> might suggest to revert the change of the default font for ja then as we talked before.
05:50:05 * juhp looks throught the list of rawhide bugs
05:50:47 <juhp> tagoh: right
05:51:06 <juhp> if we do we should do it soon before the beta freeze
05:51:59 <tagoh> right
05:52:14 <juhp> fujiwarat: hope gdm option widget will get fixed in rawhide soon
05:52:29 <juhp> i mean their interaction
05:52:37 <juhp> with login
05:53:18 <fujiwarat> juhp: Do you mean the focus with the widget?
05:53:27 <juhp> yeah
05:53:51 <fujiwarat> OK, I see. I'll doublecheck it later.
05:53:57 <juhp> and even after cancelling new lang selection seems does not work currently
05:54:14 <nim-nim> btw when Tex live 2009 will land it will inject ~ 4000 font files in the system, that will be exposed everywhere through fontconfig if jnovy does it right
05:54:20 <juhp> fujiwarat: is your patch is upstream?
05:54:34 <juhp> nim-nim: wow
05:54:44 <nim-nim> some of them will probably have i18n side effects
05:54:54 <juhp> more fun ;)
05:55:02 <nim-nim> yes :p
05:55:03 <juhp> and more fonts to fight ;-P
05:55:37 <nim-nim> though jnovy has not finished the font packaging right now, I think he under-estimated the task at first
05:55:46 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, It was committed:
05:55:47 <fujiwarat> http://git.gnome.org./cgit/gdm/commit/?id=6def173499c2f0da3306046ebe711757bfbe9d9e
05:56:08 <juhp> just looking at the bug list I feel now we should probably some of the ibus rfe's upstream - this just look stuck in bz
05:56:53 <juhp> fujiwarat: so it will be in gdm-2.28?
05:57:23 <fujiwarat> I thought so but I will doublecheck it later.
05:57:37 <juhp> ok thanks - no worries
05:57:57 <juhp> perhaps I should give it a spin...
05:58:15 <juhp> fujiwarat: so with that new added lang works first time? :)
05:59:06 <juhp> pravin_s: would be good to get the bitmap-fonts merge review over too :)
05:59:50 <pravin_s> juhp: sure
06:00:00 <juhp> pravin_s: oh btw dychen and I had an interesting discussion earlier about adding lang support conifguration to s-c-l
06:00:15 <pravin_s> cool
06:01:09 <pravin_s> s-c-l really require some more feature, might be with this we can improve it lot more :)
06:01:10 <juhp> like with checkboxes say per Japanese for langpacks, input-methods etc
06:01:16 <juhp> yeah
06:01:32 <dychen> pravin_s: That thing is extensible . :-)
06:01:34 <juhp> erm, per Language
06:01:57 <juhp> I think dychen is going to write a blog about it later
06:02:19 <dychen> juhp: pravin_s: yup
06:04:05 <juhp> okay I think that is enough for today's meeting
06:04:15 <juhp> let's close here if no other topics?
06:06:32 <juhp> thanks for the meeting!
06:06:34 <juhp> #endmeeting