16:00:59 <pwhalen> #startmeeting Fedora ARM & AArch64 Status Meeting
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16:00:59 <pwhalen> #chair pwhalen bconoboy pbrobinson dgilmore hrw jsmith dmarlin ahs3 yselkowitz zsun
16:00:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: ahs3 bconoboy dgilmore dmarlin hrw jsmith pbrobinson pwhalen yselkowitz zsun
16:01:08 <pwhalen> good morning folks
16:01:11 * pbrobinson is here
16:01:12 * jsmith waves from the cheap seats
16:01:13 <pwhalen> whos here?
16:01:19 * pwhalen waves back
16:01:46 <dgilmore> hiya
16:02:37 <pwhalen> alright, thanks for joining
16:02:40 <pwhalen> #topic 1) ==== Package Status & Issues  ====
16:03:02 <pbrobinson> nothing of real note, rawhide is looking very good, we're tracking pretty close to primary
16:03:05 * pwhalen waits for good news
16:03:07 <pwhalen> nice
16:03:23 <pwhalen> no news is good news.. anyone else?
16:04:21 <pwhalen> #info No current Blockers.
16:04:28 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Kernel Status ====
16:04:28 <pwhalen> #info kernel-4.3.0-1.fc24 is the latest!
16:04:59 <pbrobinson> for those that are able/interested please test 4.3
16:05:22 <pbrobinson> I think (need to test further myself) that jetson will need the latest u-boot to match
16:06:57 <pwhalen> ive started testing on 32 bit devices, will mustang and seattle today
16:07:09 <pwhalen> nothing to report yet
16:07:35 <pwhalen> but, please test, this should arrive in f23 soon
16:07:36 <pbrobinson> I've tested on a bunch of devices, only issues I've seen is an issue with the omap_wdt driver, same issue in 4.2, I've sent a patch upstream to fix
16:08:01 <pbrobinson> we'll likely see 4.3 when 4.3.2 lands in around 2 weeks
16:08:41 <pwhalen> #info 4.3 likely to arrive in f23 in aprx 2 weeks. Please test and report issues to the list.
16:08:55 <pwhalen> anything else?
16:09:15 <pwhalen> #topic 3) ==== F23 for ARM & AArch64 Available Now! ====
16:09:29 <pwhalen> #link https://arm.fedoraproject.org/
16:09:44 <pwhalen> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F23/Installation
16:09:48 <pbrobinson> yes, primary release announcement has gone out, I'll send out the aarch64 announcement shortly
16:10:00 <pwhalen> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/AArch64/F23/Installation
16:10:16 <bconoboy> I'll update fb and g+ once pbrobinson sends out the announcement.  Would anybody else like to have access to do this in the future?
16:11:11 <pwhalen> ive done a first pass on the docs, would be very helpful for people to go over it, likely typos etc
16:11:35 <pwhalen> virt commands are simplified a bit, but ill be going through it and making some adjs
16:12:16 <pbrobinson> excellent, thanks pwhalen, jsmith is pretty good and might have some cycles to proof the docs
16:13:23 <pwhalen> for our docs, we need the support hw list to be updated, this is the same for beta so things could have changed. ive started to go through it as well.. please assist
16:13:44 <pbrobinson> I'll add my notes for devices I've tested
16:14:15 <pwhalen> thanks!
16:14:27 <pwhalen> any thoughts, feedback, etc?
16:14:51 <pwhalen> ive also not had time to try out the guide jdisnard did for the chromebook, has anyone else?
16:15:14 <pwhalen> be good to get that updated, referenced
16:15:50 <pbrobinson> no, I've not, been focused on the core release and devices
16:16:09 <pbrobinson> although I've charged mine up ready
16:16:39 <pwhalen> same, ok, will try it this week..
16:16:51 <pwhalen> #topic 4) ==== F23 Retrospective ====
16:17:10 <pwhalen> what did we do well? what did work so well?
16:17:15 <pwhalen> didnt
16:18:18 <pwhalen> nice, it was perfect!
16:18:19 <pbrobinson> might be worthwhile sending this out to the list
16:18:40 <pbrobinson> obviously Alpha was a low point from an ARMv7 PoV
16:18:42 <pwhalen> yea, ill put together a page, but i feel i spend more time asking and putting it togethr than i get feedback
16:19:20 <dmarlin> maybe just an email to get a thread started (nothing too detailed)
16:19:20 <pbrobinson> post Alpha I'm quite happy, I never got as much done as I would have liked but sadly that is the case every release!
16:19:30 <pbrobinson> dmarlin++
16:19:30 <zodbot> pbrobinson: Karma for dmarlin changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:20:20 <pwhalen> heh.. ok, will do
16:20:35 <pwhalen> #topic 5) ==== F24 Feature Requests/Ideas ====
16:20:50 <pwhalen> so, with our perfect f23 release.. where do we go from here?
16:21:36 <pbrobinson> _MOAR_ PI
16:21:52 <pbrobinson> aka better support for one Pi in particular
16:22:09 <pwhalen> +1 .. we need to look at that one pi
16:22:10 <pbrobinson> accelerated graphics for at least tegra K1
16:22:36 <pbrobinson> better u-boot console support (that's on my todo)
16:22:46 <pbrobinson> support for the C.H.I.P.
16:23:09 <pwhalen> #info Support for the Raspberry Pi 2, C.H.I.P.
16:23:44 <pwhalen> #info Accelerated graphics, Jetson TK1 and others.
16:23:49 <hrw> sorry for being too late
16:24:00 <pwhalen> howdy Marcin!
16:24:10 <pbrobinson> hrw: no issues, we just assigned everything for you to do ;-)
16:24:24 <pwhalen> :)
16:24:26 <hrw> pbrobinson: like usual, got used to ;D
16:24:38 <bconoboy> One way or another we need moonshot m400 support in f24
16:24:46 <hrw> for F24 I would like to see armv8-on-aarch64 guest-vm
16:24:55 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: yes, I've already got that in motion
16:25:20 <bconoboy> Likewise 32-on-64 guests booting in way that fedora infrastructure finds acceptable
16:25:23 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: with around 4 different options and paths and fallbacks
16:25:34 <bconoboy> That might simply mean having a useful uboot
16:26:29 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: yes, that should be listed as a target even though it's almost mostly there, and it's on my todo list
16:26:57 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: Do you need external support for these or is it exclusively down to having time to devote?
16:27:03 <dmarlin> bconoboy: does that not predicate largely on apm getting some patches upstream
16:27:27 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: possibly but I'll pull the people in as needed or scream appropriately
16:27:28 <bconoboy> dmarlin: Ideally, yes- but if we have to carry a couple isolated patches I think that is acceptable.
16:27:43 <bconoboy> pbrobinson: OK, so, uh, if we can make it so you have more free time please let us know how
16:27:50 * dmarlin does not see parking protocol as 'a couple isolated patches'
16:28:10 <pbrobinson> bconoboy: my focus the last few weeks has been the F-23 GA, I'm now switching focus to 3 core priorities
16:28:33 <bconoboy> Anyway, those are the 2 on my list: m400 support, 32-on-64 support
16:29:12 <pbrobinson> yep, and this meeting isn't a location for detailed discussion of patches
16:29:28 <hrw> what about 96borads support?
16:29:58 <pbrobinson> hrw: depends which ones
16:29:59 <hrw> I know that they may stink but for many it would be their aarch64 hardware
16:30:03 <dmarlin> we have a test f23 based rootfs (that needs updating to final) for dragonboard
16:30:22 <bconoboy> #info Moonshot m400 support
16:30:25 <dmarlin> and I think jperrin is working on one for hikey
16:30:26 <pbrobinson> hrw: we already support the enterprise one in F-23 GA when ever it finally starts shipping
16:30:27 <pwhalen> dmarlin, were you able to post that anywhere?
16:30:27 <bconoboy> #info 32-on-64 support
16:30:40 <pwhalen> thx bconoboy
16:30:41 <dmarlin> pwhalen: unofficially, yes, on my people page
16:30:55 <hrw> pbrobinson: I would be suprised it would not be working being copy of seattle
16:31:46 <pbrobinson> hrw: I need to look at the Hikey closer now I have a working UART etc, now just need some time
16:32:24 <hrw> cool
16:32:54 <pbrobinson> from a aarch64 PoV
16:33:14 <pbrobinson> I plan to get better support for both cloud images, and docker images.
16:35:01 <pwhalen> we'll revisit this again next week, everyone think about this some more, perhaps some more ideas on how to make it all happen
16:35:37 <pwhalen> #topic 6) == Open Floor ==
16:35:55 <dmarlin> anyone interested in f23 on dragonboard, please see https://dmarlin.fedorapeople.org/fedora-arm/aarch64/README.Linaro-F23-remix-lxde
16:36:05 <dmarlin> feedback is always welcome
16:36:10 <pbrobinson> thanks dmarlin
16:36:14 <dmarlin> np
16:36:48 <hrw> someone want rpmfusion for aarch64/rawhide?
16:36:49 <dmarlin> I'll post one base on F23 final before next week
16:36:57 <pwhalen> #info Those interested in f23 on dragonboard, please see https://dmarlin.fedorapeople.org/fedora-arm/aarch64/README.Linaro-F23-remix-lxde
16:36:59 <dmarlin> (this one was made from beta)
16:37:17 <pwhalen> hrw, that might be useful for dmarlins image
16:37:22 <hrw> http://malenstwo.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/test/rpmfusion-aarch64/ is few days old status
16:37:39 <hrw> most of 'free' part builds
16:37:59 <pwhalen> #info rpmfusion for AArch64 provided by hrw - http://malenstwo.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/test/rpmfusion-aarch64/
16:39:09 <hrw> rpmfusion switched to git now so it is easier to grab sources and provide patches
16:39:50 <pwhalen> thanks hrw
16:39:56 <pwhalen> anything else for open floor?
16:40:52 <hrw> Am I right saying that db410c firmwares are not distribuable?
16:41:22 <hrw> "(ii) Redistributable Binary Code may not be distributed on a stand alone basis but may be redistributed in conjunction with and as a part of a software application created by you" == you will not make package for distribution
16:42:17 <dmarlin> hrw: right, but somehow Linaro has the right to package it
16:42:35 <dmarlin> hrw: they have .deb firmware packages
16:42:52 <hrw> dmarlin: hmm...
16:43:08 <dmarlin> hrw: probably some agreement with qualcomm
16:43:30 <hrw> thanks for info dmarlin
16:43:59 <dmarlin> hrw: I did not package the firmware but just included it in the image I built (remix image)
16:44:15 <hrw> dmarlin: this way is fine
16:44:19 <dmarlin> (downloaded the tarball from qcom and extracted on the image)
16:44:31 <hrw> dmarlin: but blocks db410c from being fedora supported imho
16:44:40 <dmarlin> *nod*
16:44:48 <dmarlin> only as a remix, from that perspective
16:45:19 <dmarlin> unless we can get it added to the firmware package (officially)
16:45:30 <hrw> r/pi2 remix, db410c remix... both not fedora possible so far
16:45:45 <hrw> dmarlin: maybe one day ;D
16:45:51 <dmarlin> perhaps
16:46:11 <pwhalen> thanks for coming all!
16:46:17 <dmarlin> thank you pwhalen
16:46:20 <pbrobinson> thanks pwhalen and others
16:46:24 <pwhalen> #endmeeting