17:00:37 #startmeeting F21 Beta Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:37 Meeting started Thu Oct 30 17:00:37 2014 UTC. The chair is jreznik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:39 #meetingname F21 Beta Go/No-Go meeting 17:00:39 The meeting name has been set to 'f21_beta_go/no-go_meeting' 17:00:51 #topic Roll Call 17:00:54 hi all! 17:00:56 .hello kevin 17:00:57 nirik: kevin 'Kevin Fenzi' 17:01:02 .hello dmossor 17:01:03 danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' 17:01:29 * pwhalen is here 17:01:38 ahoy 17:01:43 .hello adamwill 17:01:44 adamw: adamwill 'Adam Williamson' 17:02:03 .hello pfrields 17:02:04 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 17:02:22 #chair adamw nirik stickster roshi 17:02:22 Current chairs: adamw jreznik nirik roshi stickster 17:02:38 .hello roshi 17:02:39 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 17:02:48 * roshi sits in his shiny new chair 17:03:41 * jreznik is pinging a few more folks 17:04:22 #topic Purpose of this meeting 17:04:23 #info Purpose of this meeting is to see whether or not F21 Beta is ready for shipment, according to the release criteria. 17:04:25 #info This is determined in a few ways: 17:04:26 #info No remaining blocker bugs 17:04:28 #info Release candidate compose is available 17:04:29 #info Test matrices for Beta are fully completed 17:04:31 #link http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/beta/buglist 17:04:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Install 17:04:34 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Base 17:04:35 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Desktop 17:04:37 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Server 17:05:09 #topic Current status 17:06:24 for current status - F21 Beta RC4 is currently undergoing release validation 17:06:52 according to blockerbugs app, there are currently 3 proposed blockers 17:07:50 and not all accepted blocker are marked as VERIFIED/CLOSED 17:08:14 so let's start with the mini blocker review today, unless anybody has more for update 17:09:08 roshi: may we use your services again? :) 17:09:10 #topic Mini blocker review 17:09:25 * oddshocks is here 17:09:32 sure thing 17:09:42 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Beta_Release_Criteria 17:09:46 roshi++ 17:09:59 ^^ Release Criteria we're considering 17:10:14 first blocker 17:10:15 #topic (1158533) LVMError: lvactivate failed for home: running lvm lvchange -a y --config devices { preferred_names=["^/dev/mapper/", "^/dev/md/", "^/dev/sd"] filter=["r|/sda1$|","r|/sda2$|","r|/sda3$|","r|/sda$|","r|/sdc1$|","r|/sdc2$|","r|/sdc$|"] } fedora/home failed 17:10:20 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158533 17:10:22 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 17:10:33 i asked in #anaconda if anyone's available to review these 17:11:16 this requires multiple passes through the custom spoke, right? 17:11:29 well, satellit said his case didnt' 17:11:37 ah 17:12:53 I think the error is somewhat generic and can be caused by multiple root causes 17:13:08 yeah 17:13:22 i'd like a bit wider understanding of it, but not sure if we can arrive at that here 17:13:29 is USB hdd as an install location a supported config? 17:13:34 i'd also like to know if it's changed since TC4 or since RC1 17:13:36 sure 17:13:59 not for uefi ;) 17:14:20 * roshi just didn't see it on the test matrix under storage devices 17:14:30 i would be -1 on the 'choose your adventure' incarnation - we can't really block on 'do this, then do that, then stand on your head' bugs when they're discovered minutes before go/no-go, that way madness lies - but it'd be nice to have at least a reasonable understanding of other cases where this might happen, and whether it's a 'regression' (quotes to pacify wwoods) 17:14:55 * nirik is with adamw 17:14:56 based on kparal comments that no one from the team could reproduce it in one pass, so it seems to work at least somehow for standard use cases, I'm -1 blocker 17:15:00 roshi: the criteria are quite a lot wider than the test case set here - which is sort of a problem as it tends to mean we run into things somewhat at random like this 17:15:09 but a matrix that enforced the full extent of the criteria would be the stuff of nightmares 17:15:39 jreznik: I actually think it is a standard use case to visit the spoke multiple times. but probably not serious enough to block Beta on 17:15:39 the idea is that we should block on certain types of issues if we find them, but we might want to see if can tweak the approach a bit *somehow* 17:16:01 I was just curious :) 17:16:23 i agree with kparal - not really *that* weird a use case, but in practice it's hard to block beta on this kind of thing as there's just so many permutations 17:16:26 but if it works with a sata disk but not usb, I'd be willing to fudge on the USB bit 17:16:44 votes? 17:18:14 * jreznik is not saying weird, just a bit too much for Beta 17:18:18 -1 for Beta, re-propose for Final 17:18:22 I'm of the same mind as kparal and adamw 17:18:29 -1 for Beta 17:18:34 -1 Beta, repropose for final 17:19:25 -1 17:19:35 proposed #agreed - 1158533 - RejectedBlocker - This bug has a multitude of paths to hit it, so isn't considered to block beta. Re-propose for Final. 17:19:48 ack 17:19:50 given what we know, ack, but i'm a bit worried. 17:19:50 ack 17:19:58 but hey, it's a beta 17:20:07 and we have to make a call... 17:20:15 ack 17:20:18 yeah, I'm a bit worried as well 17:20:24 #agreed - 1158533 - RejectedBlocker - This bug has a multitude of paths to hit it, so isn't considered to block beta. Re-propose for Final. 17:20:31 don't worry, be happy. :) 17:20:40 :) 17:20:45 next up... 17:20:46 #topic (1158975) IOException: Partition(s) 2 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making ... 17:20:50 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1158975 17:20:53 #info Proposed Blocker, anaconda, NEW 17:21:37 * pschindl_mobile is here, but from mobile phone so I'll be mostly watching 17:21:38 Sorry folks. Family emergency. I can't be here. 17:22:02 sgallagh: sorry to hear :( 17:22:10 pschindl_mobile: oh, good timing 17:22:18 np sgallagh_mobile family takes priority, IMO :) Good luck 17:22:21 sgallagh_mobile: np, family is important, gl 17:22:35 pschindl_mobile: the description here isn't entirely clear to me - can you clarify a bit on "I had to go to reclaim space twice to do it (I wanted to delete just one partition which doesn't work with mbr on UEFI)" ? 17:23:10 bz 1158975 shows up in gparted for me in RC2 17:23:20 Firstly I'd like to delete just one Partition 17:24:31 But then I realized that I booted to uefi and there is mbr on the thisk. A aconda also complain about it. So I had to visit instalation destination again 17:25:03 pschindl_mobile: so, wait, you get all the way through the 'free up space' workflow but then you get an error/warning when you arrive back at the hub? 17:25:24 And this time I removed the last partition (in reclaim space dialog) 17:26:15 No. Anaconda just complained about something beeing wrong in inst dest 17:26:37 The error raised on the beginning of the installation 17:26:45 sorry, that's what I meant 17:26:58 Southern_Gentlem: you go through once, and it lets you, but then prints one of those 'road warnings' at the hub 17:27:04 hah, auto-complete 17:27:05 so: you go through once, and it lets you, but then prints one of those 'road warnings' at the hub 17:27:21 I saw this in gnome-disks too. 17:27:22 then you go through again, and select to delete all partitions this time, and it lets you, but install crashes on partitioning 17:27:23 right? 17:27:29 the message itself isn't that uncommon 17:27:34 it comes from parted iirc 17:27:48 *nod 17:27:55 but anaconda should of course be making things so it doesn't run into it on 'supported' paths 17:28:14 bz isn't loading for me 17:28:39 for me this is a bit like the last one, if it's choose-your-own-adventure and you can fix it by just starting over and doing the right thing first time, -1 beta blocker 17:28:40 adamw: it's as you said. 17:28:54 * nirik is -1 beta blocker. 17:29:05 -1 17:29:28 repropose to Final 17:29:46 -1, for final, it would be nice to get fix 17:29:51 I'm -1 beta too. I hadn't enough time to investigate. I had to leave rigbt after this showed up 17:30:08 it seems like we have a kind of consensus on what should block beta and what shouldn't, but it's so hard to write down in the criteria :/ i can always take another cut at it... 17:30:50 Yep . I'll try to find out what happened and I'd repropose it for final 17:30:53 adamw: next part of decision is common sense (and it's hard to write it down on paper) but I understand what you'd like to tell 17:31:07 * adamw doesn't believe in common sense 17:31:07 (and review) 17:31:21 one of my favourite quotes (dunno where I picked it up): common sense: rarely either 17:31:22 proposed #agreed - 1158975 - RejectedBlocker - This bug doesn't get hit when doing a standard install, but only with a specific configuration. Rejected as a blocker for Beta, re-propose for Final. 17:31:22 the third is probably the most important 17:31:30 * roshi wasn't sure how to write that one 17:31:35 -1 17:31:42 ack 17:31:45 ack 17:31:45 ack 17:31:50 Ack 17:32:26 #agreed - 1158975 - RejectedBlocker - This bug doesn't get hit when doing a standard install, but only with a specific configuration. Rejected as a blocker for Beta, re-propose for Final. 17:32:39 alright, final proposed... 17:32:40 #topic (1154347) Local standard SATA disks incorrectly detected as a multipath device, unavailable for selection as install target in anaconda 17:32:43 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1154347 17:32:46 #info Proposed Blocker, device-mapper-multipath, NEW 17:33:08 so this one came back from the dead 17:33:36 the info we got from ben is somewhat useful and i've provisionally identified a difference between 20 and 21 which may account for this, but still, it seems like we've done a lot of live testing and no-one else has hit this 17:34:46 yeah. 17:34:51 and even reporter doesn't hit it always 17:34:52 right now we have one confirmed reporter who's only testing with live images and who hits the bug 'sometimes', i kinda like those odds 17:34:55 right 17:35:07 if unable to recreate -1 as blocker but put in commonbugs 17:35:16 might rate a common bugs? "If you see no disks, power cycle, etc" 17:35:22 i get the feeling maybe a couple other people will hit it and it's something we'll need to clean up for final maybe, but if i have to make a call, not beta blocking 17:35:23 but not sure how common it really is 17:35:34 nirik: yeah, commonbugs for sure 17:35:39 eh, the names a bit misleading 17:35:47 -1 beta blocker here. 17:35:57 i like 'Errata' more, but it's kinda baked into fedora 17:36:00 -1 since it's not 100% reproducable 17:36:08 KnownBugs 17:36:12 AnnoyingBugs 17:36:18 Bugs 17:36:26 for this, perhaps Mites 17:36:31 boycottbugs.org 17:37:01 -1 17:37:03 lulz 17:37:10 ha. 17:37:20 -1 for beta 17:37:37 forkbugs.org 17:37:37 -1 17:37:37 -1 17:37:54 proposed #agreed - 1154347 - RejectedBlocker - Because this bug isn't 100% reproducible it isn't considered to block Beta. If reproduction can be solidified, re-propose for Final. 17:38:06 ack 17:38:26 ack 17:38:27 ack 17:38:35 #agreed - 1154347 - RejectedBlocker - Because this bug isn't 100% reproducible it isn't considered to block Beta. If reproduction can be solidified, re-propose for Final. 17:38:40 that's it for proposed blockers 17:38:49 yaay 17:39:09 How many got accepted? 17:39:11 * roshi hands the meeting back to jreznik 17:39:13 0 17:39:24 Coool 17:39:30 thanks roshi! 17:39:37 np :) glad to be of service 17:39:54 #topic Accepted blockers status 17:40:28 The NEW bug is AMIs, which are being built and updated now 17:40:30 looking on current list of accepted bugs, there are still some not in VERIFIED/CLOSED state 17:40:36 oddshocks can speak to this bit 17:42:04 He was just here a second ago... :-) 17:42:25 there's also 1147998 cloud-utils MODIFIED 17:42:27 hey! 17:42:27 roshi: we should be able to close https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1147998 now right? 17:42:37 he's having some connection issues 17:42:49 yes 17:42:55 * pschindl_mobile has to leave. Wife's calling :-) Have a nice day everyone 17:42:55 sorry i lost all my internet and had to tether to my phone and experienced a horrible moment of panic as i couldnt get anything to connect 17:42:55 I see e.g. http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21_Beta_RC4/Cloud/Images/x86_64/ 17:42:59 I can confirm, so can others, that reboots work 17:43:07 \o/ 17:43:16 good 17:43:17 which is a good thing :) 17:43:35 hey -- so in short my status is that 64 bit base AMI is now available in all EC2 regions. 32 bit base is registering now, working out some kinks. same for 64 bit atomic 17:43:52 on the NTFS bug we just need to confirm that RC4 doesn't allow ntfs resizing, that was agreed to be sufficient that the bug would no longer block 17:43:54 i'm confirming that now 17:44:01 thanks adamw 17:44:07 adamw: cool 17:44:10 (this is planned to be a temporary workaround for beta, and the idea is to fix the bug properly for final) 17:44:17 1156603 can be closed too, rigth? as we have cloud images now 17:44:43 we can, but I was going to wait until they were all up there 17:45:00 * nirik tested the cloud images in openstack. 17:45:05 * oddshocks agrees 17:45:06 both 32 and 64 bit work fine. 17:45:10 awesome 17:45:13 nirik: _awesome_ 17:45:24 can I put you down on the matrix for reporting all those tests as passed? 17:45:25 ok, ntfs resize confirmed 17:45:43 * roshi couldn't get to his openstack instance to test them last night... 17:45:59 roshi: there's a separate bug for the AMIs being missing, so i think we can close the generation bug right now 17:46:09 oh, yeah 17:46:09 yep 17:46:17 * adamw does it 17:46:24 roshi: I did update the openstack ones in the test matrix. Feel free to update anywhere I missed. 17:46:48 ah, cool - didn't see it last time I looked :) thanks 17:47:13 ok, i closed out the cloud generation and reboot bugs, and dropped blocker status from NTFS bug 17:47:26 right on :) 17:48:16 so now AMIs bug 17:49:38 I can close that once oddshocks is done working his magic 17:50:25 do we want to wait for it? or meanwhile we can take a look on test matrices coverage 17:50:25 * oddshocks nod nod 17:50:39 sure 17:51:09 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Summary 17:51:20 in case someone didn't already have it open... 17:51:24 #info all accepted blocker bugs are closed/verified now except we're are waiting for AMIs one to finish 17:51:35 #topic Test Matrices coverage 17:51:50 also: 17:52:00 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Summary 17:52:05 https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/21/ 17:52:29 coverage looks really pretty good, frankly better than i expected - great testing job folks 17:52:49 for sure 17:52:49 just about the only thing we're missing for rc4 is QA:Testcase_upgrade_fedup_cli_previous_kde - is anyone working on that? 17:53:06 I can't :( 17:54:02 * roshi isn't 17:54:06 * tflink can start 17:54:11 let's race! 17:54:28 but eh, it seems pretty unlikely it'd be busted. 17:54:29 actually, I think I might have a f20 kde vm setup 17:54:31 well, this workstation I'm on is KDE, F20 fully updated..... 17:54:44 but, it's btrfs. I don't trust it. 17:55:01 * jreznik also did kde update but it's not recent 17:55:16 s/update/upgrade 17:56:19 FWIW we've had 215 reports from 18 testers since RC4 landed just ~16 hours ago 17:56:21 awesome job folks 17:56:38 that's a lot of reports :) 17:56:39 Holy moley 17:56:43 that's 13.44 Tests Per Hour, or TPHs 17:56:49 :P 17:56:56 * roshi needs a dashboard widget for that... 17:56:56 I wish some of those were mine. 17:57:07 so do we danofsatx , so do we 17:57:10 :P 17:57:13 "Every time a bell rings, a QA tester gets their wings" 17:57:13 * roshi kids 17:57:31 and what mpg for that tph? :) 17:57:39 heh....sorry, I've been fighting with iterations of FreeIPA or Openstack all morning. 17:57:50 TPLW (Tests Per Litre of Whiskey) 17:57:57 danofsatx: don't apologize for that! 17:57:58 oh don't worry about it danofsatx :) I was just giving you a hard time :) 17:57:59 a more accurate measure 17:58:29 on the TPLW, which is better, a higher Litre count or testcount? 17:58:30 i know ;) 17:58:36 that could be read both ways... 17:58:43 * adamw has f20 KDE install running, but i don't mind if we want to call coverage sufficient with the RC1 result and move on 17:59:04 cloud coverage is iffy at this point 17:59:10 but I think it's enough 17:59:16 adamw: let's go with it 17:59:30 but tbh - not sure how thin the ice I'm standing on is, or how deep the water is underneath it 18:00:07 oh, i thought we were ok for cloud, sorry 18:00:13 * jreznik will be back in a minute, call of nature and urgent... 18:00:26 I think we are simply because cloud images are *so* similar 18:00:43 but from a % tc ran perspective, I could see it being argued 18:00:45 what other cloud tests are there? 18:00:49 how long would it take to get sufficient testing? 18:01:07 as soon as these AMIs get uploaded it shouldn't take long 18:01:08 nirik: looks like we haven't tested the 'official' 64-bit AMI yet, and no 32-bit ec2/openstack tests 18:01:30 atomic is the only one I really want to check 18:01:34 atomic is not blocking 18:01:40 adamw: I did do 32bit openstack. 18:01:48 nirik: ah, it's not in the page 18:02:01 perhaps I screwed up editing. Shoudl have used retval. :) 18:02:05 the blocking images all worked on local and openstack 18:02:18 I've no reason to think it won;t work on EC2 18:02:24 the 32 bit openstack results are there 18:02:31 oddshocks: that sound about right to you? 18:02:49 I don't see niriks results... 18:02:51 tflink: huh, guess i'm stuck in a Wiki Cache Of Death 18:02:51 * roshi refreshes 18:03:37 roshi: affirmative 18:03:42 I don't see them, but I trust nirik on his word :) 18:03:55 if the images boot on local and openstack -- especially if nirik says they do -- then that's good in my book 18:04:19 we're talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Installation#Cloud_images right? 18:04:23 any issue we would have with EC2, would be an EC2 issue - *not* an image issue 18:04:29 * jreznik is back 18:04:31 the AMI problems are issues separate, and likely related to EC2 -- exactly. 18:04:51 how long until the upload is finished? 18:05:28 If you ask me, we don't block on the AMI images being only partially available, especially since this is a configuration problem that can easily be solved during beta, if not within the next 24-48 hours 18:05:29 tflink: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Cloud#x86_64 18:05:38 is what we're talking about, well, what I'm talking about 18:05:55 ah, I was talking about a different page 18:06:05 yeah, me too. 18:06:10 nirik: those are the testcases I was asking if you filled in :) 18:06:13 sorry 18:06:25 * roshi should move what you filled in to the cloud page 18:06:38 oddshocks: we're not gonna slip or anything, just thinking about waiting to sign off on the images until we can run the tests on them 18:06:57 given " any issue we would have with EC2, would be an EC2 issue - *not* an image issue" i think maybe we don't have to wait 18:07:03 * adamw fires up kde fedup 18:07:23 my kde install is at post installation tasks 18:07:41 roshi: ok, I just did the ones at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_21_Beta_RC4_Installation#Cloud_images I can do the 32bit ones on that other page. I am pretty sure they are all great. 18:08:03 if you could log in via ssh, install stuff and logging worked, we should be good 18:08:12 adamw: word 18:08:46 roshi: yes, yes and yes. ;) I did a xfce group install. 480 packages. 18:09:05 nice 18:09:08 wfm then :) 18:09:35 nirik++ 18:10:24 kde upgrade is running, so far so good 18:12:18 * stickster in another meeting but keeps lurking 18:12:27 thanks stickster for coming 18:12:49 FWIW all the decisions here made sense to me :-) 18:12:58 :) 18:13:26 stickster: seek professional help immediately 18:13:33 And it sounds like oddshocks is on the case with AMI images which are on the way 18:13:42 adamw: professional help: rarely either 18:13:45 haha 18:16:22 * adamw watches package count rise, whistles badly 18:17:44 I've got to run. Can I submit my vote early? 18:17:47 adamw: shhhh 18:17:49 ;) 18:19:06 danofsatx: qa team vote is done according to a policy, fwiw, but personal vote sure 18:19:31 "QA team's determination must be based on the blocker bug process. QA approves the release if all validation tests appropriate to the release phase (Alpha, Beta or Final) have been performed and there are no accepted blocker bugs that are unaddressed in the candidate compose. QA does not approve the release if there are any accepted blocker bugs that are unaddressed in the candidate compose or if validation testing is incomplete." 18:19:34 from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting 18:20:01 ok, at this point I'm +1 go. Based solely on the information at this point. If KDE fails, well then, my vote don't matter, does it? ;) 18:20:03 hum, my KDE fedup run isn't using the graphical upgrade screen. no problem, just interesting 18:20:06 hehe 18:20:21 me neither - just console output 18:20:29 i kinda like that more anyway 18:20:32 that's weird 18:20:34 data! the illusion of control! 18:20:47 don't you mean allusion? 18:20:54 no, i mean illusion. 18:20:56 the output just got all corrupted-looking 18:21:22 * tflink just waits to see if it finishes 18:21:59 showing progressivly less information as time goes on 18:22:44 and it's back - I think it's an issue with this VM's display connection 18:23:02 I've seen that before 18:27:09 well, that didn't work 18:27:24 the vm just shut off 18:27:30 only f20 kernels are installed 18:27:44 * tflink probably screwed something up, best wait for adamw's run 18:27:53 mine's still going, i used fedup from updates-testing... 18:28:02 oh 18:28:06 that's what I missed 18:28:14 someone reported the same issue in #kde last night (rebooted to F20) 18:30:18 mine's on cleanup atm 18:30:38 iirc someone else reported a run where they got an f20 kernel but various f21 packages. i mean, it's clearly installing f21 packages, here. 18:30:48 yeah, it was installing f21 packages 18:30:55 and the login splash changed 18:31:48 welp, i got a 21 kernel 18:31:51 booting now 18:33:34 boot! boot! boot! 18:33:35 huh. initial-setup ran on boot. 18:33:44 on boot? uf 18:33:54 i'm clearly not getting enough sleep because it didn't strike me as odd until just now 18:34:09 umm....it's not sposta do that with fedup, is it? 18:34:35 no... 18:35:00 but, can you log in? 18:35:07 still, it *worked* 18:35:11 is your old data still there? 18:35:14 well yeah, but i'm not sure if i just re-created my user account 18:35:16 i dunno, i didn't have any 18:35:23 hmmm.... 18:35:42 the mtime on the files in /home/test is 11:05, not 11:35, so... 18:35:43 I'd say data should stay unless there's a big rm -rf somewhere in fedup 18:35:44 adamw: check the timestamps of .bashrc 18:36:06 aug 2013 18:36:16 so, looks like it didn't wipe data at least. 18:36:33 needs a bit of looking into, but i wouldn't call it a blocker. 18:36:59 adamw: but would be nice not to forget it for final 18:37:50 I just created a new user (on F20) and got a .bashrc dated Oct 6 2014. 18:38:40 if not a blocker, what we're now waiting for? not sure what was the conclusion with AMIs, if we have to wait or not 18:39:00 not a blocker - go 18:39:14 * roshi just pinged oddshocks for status 18:39:24 * roshi doesn't think we have to wait on the AMIs 18:39:32 yeah, i think we can say cloud is covered 18:39:40 the images are fine it seems - just EC2 stuff 18:39:45 seems very unlikely we'll somehow hit a problem which involves an image respin 18:40:18 ok, so let's move on 18:40:23 yup 18:40:57 #topic Go/No-Go decision 18:41:01 adamw: you use FreeIPA/SSSD right? 18:41:39 halfline and I found and fixed that a week or so ago. Might not be in stable 18:41:40 sgallagh: yeah 18:41:53 sgallagh: er, fixed what? 18:41:59 the kde test i just did didn't involve freeipa. 18:42:05 There was a startup race causing g-I-s to run 18:42:11 oh, no, not in that test. 18:42:12 With SSSD users 18:42:38 so i think we can say there are no unresolved blockers and test coverage is considered complete, ergo QA vote is Go 18:43:08 \o/ 18:43:09 #info there are no unresolved blockers and test coverage is considered complete, ergo QA vote is Go 18:43:21 woop! 18:43:28 nirik, sgallagh_mobile: from engineering? any showstopper? 18:43:41 pass go! collect $200! 18:43:43 dgilmore: we need you, go/no-go decision 18:43:59 I'm not aware of any (but I'm sitting in a doctor's office out of the loop at the moment.) 18:44:00 jreznik: he's likely asleep... he's in .au 18:44:05 nirik: aha 18:44:05 So: go! 18:44:19 I know of no releng blockers. 18:44:30 nirik: but I'll write it to ticket, we have this backup process to let releng know 18:44:50 #info Engineering is Go 18:45:23 jreznik: nirik is releng, he can vote. :) 18:45:45 * nirik can sure. I haven't been doing composes this cycle, but have been watching for any issues. 18:46:14 so yeah, I'll take nirik as the voice of releng 18:47:10 really, the reason why I want to know dgilmore knows about go was that miscommunication when we missed him and nobody noticed him about go... now, we update tickets 18:47:27 still it would be nice to have an ack that mirroring is happening 18:47:28 jreznik: sure. do feel free to update the ticket too... 18:47:40 proposal #agreed Fedora 21 Beta status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development 18:47:50 yeah, thats not started yet, but should be when dgilmore is up. 18:48:39 adamw, nirik & co, pls ack 18:49:59 seems like nobody wants beta out :) 18:50:03 ack (if I count, that is) 18:50:17 ack 18:50:25 * nirik was finishing up another meeting 18:50:32 jreznik, everyone is just shocked it's ready 18:50:51 ack for QA 18:50:56 * adamw is multitasking as usual 18:51:05 Ack for eng 18:51:06 * jreznik is shock-resistant after several releases behind him 18:51:15 YAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 18:51:25 #agreed Fedora 21 Beta status is go by Release Engineering, QA and Development 18:51:41 this is an official QA team announcement: everyone please switch from your Stress Relief Whisky to your Celebration Whisky 18:51:46 * roshi was really tempted right there to claim he'd found a new blocker in systemd 18:51:56 #action jreznik to announce go decision 18:51:57 .fire roshi no cake for you 18:51:58 adamw fires roshi no cake for you 18:52:00 haha 18:52:05 Yippee!!! 18:52:13 * roshi switches his likkers 18:52:21 adamw: Stress relief: rarely either 18:52:23 no whisky for roshi :D or more whisky to shut him up? :)))) 18:52:35 haha 18:52:53 I want it noted: I did *not* do that, was merely tempted to troll 18:52:55 :p 18:53:04 stickster: oh god, I've created a monster 18:53:13 lulz 18:53:14 thank you everyone for an amazing job on beta, especially goes to qa for fast test coverage of RC4 18:53:19 #topic Open floor 18:55:13 QA folks, if we could get karma for all the unpushed fixes that'd be great 18:55:21 I have one question - but not very nice :) we're 2014-12-09 with final, do we want to cut one week from beta to final? it's not a nice move but seems we're really close to holidays and the last week before, we can't expect many folks to be available 18:55:48 I know it's last resort thing, we did it already and it's always very tight but thinking loudly 18:56:24 suggestion if we have images that are fully tested then we can discuss releasing early 18:56:33 i don't know if that'd just wind in an inevitable slip back to the original date 18:56:53 probably yes, it's hard to say 18:56:55 Southern_Gentlem: well pushing forward the final date pushes forward the TC1 date 18:57:18 we currently have 13 proposed final blockers, fwiw 18:57:47 buffer is one week slip with some confidence, two weeks would mean christmas present :) 18:57:55 adamw, and if the tc1 has all everything fixed why not push it out the door 18:57:57 Two weeks = major UGH 18:58:22 Southern_Gentlem: no, tc1 almost certainly won't, but the point is that we *start the process* earlier if we change the proposed final date 18:58:37 we could just keep the schedule, but move tc1 up sooner. 18:58:42 talk later then 18:58:46 adamw: well, maybe we should start the process earlier even without date change 18:58:57 nirik: yep 18:58:58 jreznik: I think we need some sense about how many "lingering bugs," for example those that might be pushed to Final, do we have -- in other words are we setting up for failure 18:59:15 13 18:59:26 If we've pushed a lot off to Final, and we are thinking about reining in the time, that puts quite some pressure to get those all fixed 18:59:31 (which isn't bad in and of itself) 18:59:34 stickster: adamw posted it but number is not an answer 18:59:46 jreznik: Yeah, it's more than just quantity, I agree 19:00:04 let's try to start with earlier tc1 and we will see 19:00:06 jreznik: 13 trivial bugs should be no big deal; 13 substantial bugs could be a big deal 19:00:14 the sooner the TC the more time to test 19:00:22 we can react later once we have better overview of what's going on 19:00:24 note that if we move the TC up one week, that means we do final tC1 in...four days. 19:00:28 sorry, five. 19:00:35 i.e. we spin final tC1 on the day we ship beta. 19:00:35 jreznik: So are you proposing we try to rein in the time on the front end, unofficially, and then decide about an earlier release then? 19:01:12 this does not give much time to get the final criteria and test cases in shape. i.e., it doesn't give any time to get the final criteria and test cases in shape. 19:01:28 adamw: that's good point, I don't want to force you into neverending release validation 19:01:38 well, that's kinda what you're proposing :P 19:02:15 adamw: I know and I don't want to force you into it... if you don't feel it's doable and finalizing release criteria is good argument 19:02:22 it's *doable* 19:02:27 i just worry about people exploding 19:02:32 I know cloud has some final criteria to look at 19:02:32 and/or getting compose fatigue 19:02:38 perhaps we move it up not a full week... 19:02:42 ask for it end of next week? 19:02:44 and some test cases as well 19:03:01 * jreznik sends whisky to adamw 19:04:18 let's take a look on it mid next week, if we can have tc1 later next week or keep current schedule 19:05:04 there's more stuff to be done, commonbugs, finish announcement, final criteria, so we have work to do early next week 19:05:42 thanks for coming again and have a nice afternoon/night! and some whisky :) 19:05:44 setting fuse 19:05:46 3... 19:06:32 stable pushes. 19:06:35 (on the list of things to do) 19:07:23 and stable pushes... 2... 19:07:32 :-) 19:07:45 * drago01 forgot to join the channel 19:07:52 go or no go? ;) 19:08:01 go! 19:08:01 go 19:08:02 go :) 19:08:02 drago01: go 19:08:11 ok ;) 19:08:11 go? where? 19:08:17 pub 19:08:20 1... 19:08:21 +! 19:08:38 #endmeeting