17:00:18 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-07-15
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17:00:21 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:26 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
17:00:31 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:32 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:32 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:00:35 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:39 <LoKoMurdoK> .fas lbazan
17:00:40 <zodbot> LoKoMurdoK: lbazan 'Luis Enrique Bazán De León' <bazanluis20@gmail.com>
17:01:14 * LoKoMurdoK hello all!
17:01:17 <cwickert> .fas cwickertg
17:01:18 <zodbot> cwickert: 'cwickertg' Not Found!
17:01:19 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
17:01:21 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
17:01:22 <sesivany> aeperezt: ping
17:01:33 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:01:33 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:02:44 <cwickert> !
17:02:46 <sesivany> 5 out of 7, no bad
17:02:52 <sesivany> cwickert: go ahead
17:03:15 <cwickert> so, I missed the part where we discussed the meeting time last week
17:03:31 <cwickert> frankly speaking the timing is everything but optimal for me
17:04:04 <cwickert> is there a chance we can change it? I mean, we can give it a try and if we don't find a better slot, we stick to this one
17:04:40 <LoKoMurdoK> time remained the same
17:04:41 <sesivany> cwickert: did you read the discussion? It seems like anything later is too late for APAC and anything sooner is too soon for LATAM.
17:04:49 <LoKoMurdoK> 17UTC
17:05:08 <cwickert> sesivany: I did read it
17:05:39 <cwickert> LoKoMurdoK: I know it's still the same, but it doesn't work well since I work at the office and no longer from home
17:05:54 <sesivany> cwickert: would you be willing to set up some doodle to try if we find something better?
17:06:06 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: :o ok...
17:06:20 <cwickert> so, if we wanted to look for something else, it would probably be something in the morning (from a UTC perspective), right?
17:06:41 <cwickert> then we had the LATAM people in the evening and us in the morning
17:06:48 <cwickert> or before noon
17:06:56 <cwickert> I will just set up a doodle
17:07:30 <cwickert> #action cwickert to ask for a new meeting time. if we don't make an improvement, we stick to 1700 UTC
17:07:36 <cwickert> ok, let's more on
17:07:38 <sesivany> cwickert: impossible for LATAM, they're CEST - 8 hours.
17:08:11 <sesivany> which means anything before noon is 4am for them which is really hardcore.
17:08:12 <tuanta> 1h per week in working hours is not a big deal with me
17:08:25 <tuanta> so I see your idea could work
17:08:27 <cwickert> lets see
17:08:31 <tuanta> ok
17:09:01 <sesivany> ok, let's start.
17:09:18 <sesivany> #topic Changes in FAmA
17:09:36 <sesivany> tuanta: did you proceed with the FAmA administrator role?
17:10:05 <tuanta> I got sponsored by herlo
17:10:27 <tuanta> I will discuss with him to know all I need to follow
17:11:19 <sesivany> btw about the recent changes in the mentorship process...
17:11:28 <tuanta> as we see, kital proposed a change in Mentor process which let mentors to close the FaMA ticket
17:11:42 <tuanta> yes, then my work is less
17:11:56 <sesivany> I haven't had a single applicant since then. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or become very unpopular as a mentor, but it's weird.
17:12:35 <sesivany> before that, I had at least one applicant a month.
17:13:07 <tuanta> we need to trust all mentors in the new process
17:13:46 <sesivany> tuanta: but applicants are supposed to contact me before I'm supposed to create a ticket, right?
17:14:02 <tuanta> yes
17:14:27 <cwickert> maybe we should discuss this with Herlo?
17:15:14 <sesivany> cwickert: ok, I just wanted to ask others if they have the same experience: much less applicants than before.
17:15:54 <cwickert> don't we have metrics about this?
17:16:28 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: in my experience the last 2 months have been slow ..
17:16:35 <tuanta> we should discuss that with herlo. I think we have got some metrics
17:16:58 <sesivany> maybe it's just the season - summer.
17:17:14 <sesivany> ok, let's discuss it with herlo in FamA mailing list.
17:17:37 <sesivany> let's move on, shall we?
17:17:52 <tuanta> yes, that's good
17:17:53 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: yes
17:18:15 <sesivany> #topic CC holder from APAC
17:18:22 <sesivany> any updates here?
17:18:37 <sesivany> I remember ruth was asking for someone from Red Hat.
17:18:51 <tuanta> no updates since that time
17:18:53 <sesivany> I don't know if we have found anyone suitable or not.
17:19:16 <cwickert> do we have anybody fro RH?
17:19:19 <sesivany> .famsco 333
17:19:19 <zodbot> https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333
17:19:38 <cwickert> I think Ruth said somebody from RH would make things easier
17:19:48 <cwickert> so is there anybody active from RH in APAC?
17:20:02 <sesivany> rbergeron suggested Joshua Wulf from brisbane
17:20:23 <sesivany> kital suggested Shakti Kannan
17:20:25 <cwickert> Joshua is cool, however he has no affiliation to the ambassadors
17:20:35 <cwickert> Shakti is better I think
17:20:46 <cwickert> anybody else?
17:21:06 <sesivany> I think that's it.
17:21:14 * cwickert looks at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification#APAC_.28107.29
17:21:24 * tuanta reading back
17:22:06 <cwickert> Kushal? He is an ambassador, but not really active
17:22:31 <sesivany> looks like Shakti Kannan is our guy. tuanta, can you please contact him to find out if he's willing to do it?
17:22:46 <tuanta> ok, I will do that
17:22:51 <tuanta> please mark an action to me
17:23:20 <sesivany> #action tuanta to contact Shakti Kannan and ask if he's willing to be cc holder for APAC.
17:24:12 <sesivany> I can't think of anyone else. There is one OSAS person in China, but rbergeron says it wouldn't be the quickest option.
17:24:30 <sesivany> in terms of processing reimbursement requests.
17:24:56 <cwickert> +1 for Shakti
17:25:23 <tuanta> yes, he is active
17:25:41 <tuanta> he has done a lot of events in his area
17:25:58 <tuanta> I see may event reports from him
17:26:08 <tuanta> Let me contact him
17:26:47 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, that's the only step to move forward.
17:26:59 <LoKoMurdoK> Shakti +1 (cc holder is a big responsability)
17:28:49 <sesivany> ok, anything else to this topic?
17:29:31 <tuanta> nope at my side
17:30:22 <sesivany> what else do you want to discuss today? Frankly I'm very busy organizing GUADEC nowadays, so unfortunately I don't have time to think about topics to discuss :-/
17:30:44 <sesivany> and I haven't moved forward with the feedback page either :-/
17:31:54 <cwickert> !
17:32:03 <sesivany> cwickert: go ahead
17:32:05 <cwickert> what about FAmSco at Flock?
17:32:17 <sesivany> #topic FAmSCo at Flock
17:32:18 <cwickert> I mean, we have everybody but aeperezt sponsored, right?
17:32:35 <cwickert> if it's only a single person, we should try to make it happen
17:32:48 <aeperezt> and LoKoMurdoK
17:32:53 <sesivany> tuanta: is bckurera coming?
17:32:54 <cwickert> ah, ok
17:33:10 <cwickert> is bckurera still in FAmSCo?
17:33:33 <tuanta> yes, he is still in
17:33:38 <cwickert> what?!
17:33:41 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, at least formally. I haven't seen him around for a while :)
17:33:45 <cwickert> I thought his term ended
17:33:51 <cwickert> wow
17:34:01 <tuanta> I don't think he is coming to Flock
17:34:17 <cwickert> I mean, I have missed a lot of meetings because of the new job, but bckurera has just disappeared
17:34:36 <sesivany> cwickert: here are the stats for the last term: http://eischmann.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/famsco-in-f19-term/
17:34:39 <cwickert> tuanta: does he attend the APAC meetings or do anything else?
17:34:59 <tuanta> no, but I can contact him via email
17:35:00 <sesivany> bckurera made to only 12 meetings out of 12 and he was missing especially the end of the term.
17:35:14 <sesivany> out of 27
17:35:19 <tuanta> :)
17:35:28 <cwickert> thanks for these stats, sesivany! very helpful
17:35:37 <cwickert> In fact I thought I had done worse ;)
17:36:06 * cwickert does the happy dance...
17:36:08 <sesivany> cwickert: no, you were actually quite active :)
17:36:24 <cwickert> it didn't feel active compared to previous years ;)
17:36:28 * tuanta and cwickert: draw :)
17:36:31 <cwickert> :)
17:36:38 <cwickert> ok, back to the topic
17:36:52 <cwickert> LoKoMurdoK, aeperezt: do you think you can make it?
17:37:06 <cwickert> how much money would it be? something around 760 for a double in the hotel
17:37:19 <cwickert> plus flights, say 1300 each, right?
17:37:28 <cwickert> that's 2760...
17:37:33 <cwickert> erm
17:37:37 <cwickert> 3060
17:37:40 <cwickert> erm
17:37:46 <cwickert> sorry :)
17:37:57 <cwickert> 3360
17:38:12 * cwickert is really bad at math, but not *that* bad
17:38:22 <sesivany> does it include tax?
17:38:26 <cwickert> yes
17:39:38 <tuanta> in the last reply, Ruth responded that there is enough fund for FAmSCo members
17:39:50 <LoKoMurdoK> cwickert: I can not attend :( too late to ask for permission in the company.. :(
17:39:55 <tuanta> they support our first face-to-face meeting
17:40:14 <sesivany> tuanta: interesting, it's another turn in their statements.
17:40:39 * tuanta looking back for that message
17:40:40 <cwickert> sesivany: that's not really new, is it? AM)
17:40:44 <sesivany> because they claimed they didn't have money for any visitors outside EMEA and NA (non-speakers).
17:40:46 <cwickert> ;)
17:40:59 <cwickert> yeah, lets not worry about the money
17:41:04 <cwickert> we will make it somehow
17:41:25 <cwickert> aeperezt: do you think you can make it and do you want to make it?
17:41:30 <cwickert> money is NOT the problem
17:41:48 * cwickert really would like to have aeperezt at Flock
17:41:50 <aeperezt> there is no time for to make it
17:41:55 <cwickert> ok then
17:42:00 <cwickert> case closed, too bad
17:42:03 <cwickert> :(
17:42:15 <aeperezt> I wish I could
17:42:18 <cwickert> aeperezt: I need to come to Cusco then, but I'm not sure if I can make it
17:42:19 <tuanta> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-July/001381.html
17:42:21 <sesivany> and I think bckurera is also out
17:42:35 <LoKoMurdoK> aeperezt: +1 :(
17:42:49 <cwickert> we already have tuanta as an excellent representative of APAC
17:43:11 <cwickert> ok, lets move on, I think there is nothing more to discuss
17:43:15 <LoKoMurdoK> someone is going to Cusco?
17:43:43 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
17:43:58 <tuanta> yes, about Cusco, I see something wrong on the poster
17:44:14 <tuanta> that posted to Facebook
17:44:21 <sesivany> LoKoMurdoK: it's actually a very cool location. If I hadn't been there, I would seriously consider going as a personal vaccation.
17:44:50 <LoKoMurdoK> tuanta: :O ?
17:44:55 * cwickert is thinking about going
17:45:02 <cwickert> a friend asked me
17:45:02 <tuanta> in that, /me checking back
17:45:09 <sesivany> aeperezt: is everything going well with the FUDCon?
17:45:10 <cwickert> but I cannot promise it yet
17:45:24 * cwickert needs to leave now, see you
17:45:25 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, it's a really cool place, near Machu Picchu.
17:45:37 <sesivany> cwickert: see ya
17:45:44 <aeperezt> sesivany, yes and no
17:46:07 <aeperezt> sesivany, organization is ok and we are getting all we can do
17:46:34 <aeperezt> now we need response to the tickets specially the sponsor ship and the booking of the hotel
17:47:03 <aeperezt> I know tickets where added approval this week
17:47:11 <aeperezt> but no anwser for them
17:47:32 <sesivany> aeperezt: any problems with sponsorships for contributors? I hope it's not the same as with FISL.
17:48:07 <LoKoMurdoK> https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/417
17:49:07 <LoKoMurdoK> Alex (owner of the event) say We need to pay the hotel reservation 30 days in advance.
17:49:29 <aeperezt> and the other thing we don't know is if latam credit card can pay for fudcon stuff that could help
17:49:36 <aeperezt> no issues with sponsorship
17:49:55 <sesivany> LoKoMurdoK: yeah, we had the same problem at FUDCon Paris. The hotel also required advance payment.
17:50:03 <LoKoMurdoK> sesivany: :S
17:51:05 <sesivany> you can ask rbergeron or Leslie. They've got OSAS credit cards with higher limits. Leslie for examples paid for LinuxTag because it was too much for kital.
17:53:27 <sesivany> ok, is that it?
17:53:33 <sesivany> can I end the meeting?
17:53:41 <LoKoMurdoK> yes!
17:53:46 <LoKoMurdoK> for me.
17:54:13 <sesivany> ok, thank you, everyone for coming today!
17:54:49 <tuanta> thanks :)
17:54:54 <sesivany> #endmeeting