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17:00:08 <sesivany> #startmeeting FAmSCo 2013-02-18
17:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Feb 18 17:00:08 2013 UTC.  The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:14 <sesivany> #meetingname famsco
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17:00:20 <sesivany> #topic Roll call
17:00:30 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
17:00:30 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
17:00:34 * herlo 
17:00:39 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
17:00:39 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
17:01:42 <sesivany> let's wait a few more minutes for others
17:01:50 * cwickert is here
17:03:05 <tuanta> and buddhike sent regret
17:03:13 <sesivany> yes, I saw.
17:03:43 <sesivany> #info present: sesivany, herlo, tuanta, cwickert
17:03:59 <sesivany> #info bckurera sent regrets
17:04:08 <sesivany> ok, let's start...
17:04:27 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
17:05:19 <sesivany> any announcements today?
17:05:39 <sesivany> I've been too busy with Developer Conference to look around for news :(
17:05:47 * herlo doesn't have any
17:06:44 <sesivany> if not, let's get to the meeting agenda...
17:06:52 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/report/9
17:06:56 <nb> hi
17:07:30 <nb> .fas nick@bebout
17:07:30 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
17:07:51 <sesivany> do you want to discuss any of the topics in the agenda?
17:08:08 <aeperezt> .fas aeperezt
17:08:08 <zodbot> aeperezt: aeperezt 'Alejandro Perez' <alejandro.perez.torres@gmail.com>
17:08:19 <sesivany> I still have #296 on my to-do list, hopefully after DevConf.
17:08:48 <sesivany> #topic FUDCons
17:09:04 <sesivany> tuanta: any updates about FUDCon APAC?
17:09:30 * tuanta doesn't have any updates
17:09:37 <sesivany> I did write rbergeron about it, but no reply so far. And I haven't had time for nagging her.
17:10:05 <tuanta> sesivany: ok. I see. thank you.
17:10:20 * tuanta waiting more
17:10:46 <tuanta> sesivany: have you contacted to Red Hat offices in APAC?
17:10:52 <sesivany> tuanta: have you tried to contact Gerard Braad? I met him at FOSDEM and seemed quite enthusiastic. They placed a bid last year.
17:10:52 <tuanta> any lucks?
17:11:02 <sesivany> tuanta: he might be willing to do it again.
17:11:29 <tuanta> it's not easy to contact him via email :(
17:11:34 <tuanta> but I will try more
17:11:38 <sesivany> tuanta: I think Beijing is the best option since FUDCon has never been in China and Red Hat has a large office that can help.
17:12:12 <sesivany> tuanta: try G+, he's there quite often :)
17:12:46 <tuanta> yes, sesivany. Have you got any contact there? or at least do you know how to contact them?
17:13:10 <tuanta> ok, I will try G+ to contact to Gerard Braad
17:13:12 <sesivany> Pune would be another option, but FUDCon was there in 2011 AFAIK.
17:13:32 <tuanta> exactly
17:13:36 <cwickert> what about Sri Lanka?
17:14:03 <sesivany> tuanta: the site director of Beijing office will be in Brno in a few days, I'll talk to him.
17:14:09 <tuanta> they will bid for 2014
17:14:14 <cwickert> ah
17:14:28 <cwickert> btw: what about bckurera?
17:14:31 <cwickert> is he busy?
17:14:32 <tuanta> sesivany: cool, thanks
17:14:41 <sesivany> cwickert: he sent regrets today.
17:14:59 <tuanta> I think bckurera is busy
17:15:26 <tuanta> he has relocated from Sri Lanka (not live there any more)
17:15:44 <sesivany> tuanta: where does he live now?
17:15:57 <tuanta> I contacted to SL team. they can not make it this year, but they can submit a bid for next year
17:16:32 <tuanta> sesivany: actually, I am not sure. AFAIK, he lives in Singapore
17:17:15 <sesivany> FYI we still don't know if there is going to be the superFUDCon.
17:17:48 <sesivany> Red Hat is still in the process of FY14 budgeting and until it's finished we won't know more.
17:18:02 <tuanta> I see
17:18:09 <sesivany> so FUDCon EMEA is still on hold.
17:18:28 <sesivany> aeperezt: what about FUDCon LATAM?
17:18:41 <sesivany> aeperezt: do you already know the host city?
17:19:13 <tuanta> sesivany: should we mark an action for you to discuss with Red Hay Beijing guy?
17:19:30 <aeperezt> sesivany, we have not hear from Robyn about the subject and latam people is waiting about which city
17:19:41 <tuanta> s/Hay/Hat
17:20:18 <sesivany> #action sesivany to talk to the site director of RH office in Beijing about possibility to organize FUDCon APAC in Beijing.
17:21:06 <sesivany> aeperezt: I think you're running out of time, too. The organizing team should know ASAP.
17:21:21 <aeperezt> sesivany, that is right
17:21:38 <sesivany> is anyone willing to nag rbergeron about the two issues? I can do it, but after the weekend when DevConf is over.
17:21:40 <tuanta> #action tuanta to get in touch back with Gerard Braad
17:21:54 <aeperezt> sesivany, the thing is if we deside one location are she going to agreed with it or not
17:22:15 <aeperezt> so with no words we can not procced
17:22:42 <sesivany> aeperezt: and does LATAM community have any preference?
17:22:53 <aeperezt> also i'm afraid to say ok, this city and then, have to say no fudcon latam at all
17:23:19 <aeperezt> sesivany, that is part of the issue there is not
17:24:08 <sesivany> ok, I'll send her an email right after the meeting. It won't take much time.
17:24:24 <aeperezt> I can move to force a vote on the community but again does that will be or maybe the big fudcon will take away latam fudcon with no words from her not sure if we can proceed
17:24:28 <sesivany> you're free to do so too
17:24:49 <sesivany> #action sesivany to write rbergeron about FUDCon APAC and LATAM issues
17:25:05 <tuanta> aeperezt: organizing a vote is good idea
17:25:18 <sesivany> aeperezt: we should definitely wait for her.
17:25:37 <tuanta> regional people should decide one before getting approved
17:25:55 <sesivany> aeperezt: if she tells you to make a vote, let's make a vote.
17:26:07 <aeperezt> sesivany, that is what I have been doing and emailing her about with no responce even Neville worte to her
17:26:36 <aeperezt> that is what worries me silence
17:26:38 <sesivany> but choosing a city for FUDCon is not really democratic, so a vote might not help.
17:26:55 <tuanta> you have two opportunities while we even do not have any ones up to now
17:26:59 <sesivany> aeperezt: if she doesn't respond by the next week, I'll give her a call.
17:27:13 <aeperezt> sesivany, thanks
17:27:16 <tuanta> sesivany: so cool :)
17:27:29 <nb> rbergeron, is around, she is talking in #fedora-ambassadors
17:27:37 <nb> maybe pinging her will work to get her here now
17:28:08 <sesivany> nb: we mentioned her in the conversation several times.
17:28:57 <sesivany> nb: maybe she is already resistant to mentioning her name on IRC. I'd be, too, as a FPL :)
17:29:08 <nb> :)
17:29:22 <rbergeron> lol?
17:29:33 <sesivany> here she is :)
17:29:51 <rbergeron> okay, so here's the deal (and ... jsmith came and asked me about this last week and said he was relaying the info so ... apologies?)
17:29:52 <sesivany> rbergeron: we were just discussing fudcons
17:30:09 <rbergeron> (along with the fact that i'm still catching up with my life after laptop disappearance and no email for a week)
17:30:21 <rbergeron> so the deal is: I still have no idea what he budget looks like for next year.
17:31:24 <sesivany> rbergeron: does it affect only the superfudcon idea or fudcons latam and apac, too? Are they in budgeting question, too?
17:31:35 <rbergeron> At this point I am happy to say "go ahead" on latam and/or apac; WRT city, please don't hinge on me, I'm not sure why we aren't going through the normal "famsco makes a recommendation" type thing, unless famsco has already done that and they have two choices.
17:32:05 <rbergeron> sesivany: mostly the superfudcon idea. i was clear about not deleting latam and apac since they both bring in a zilloin people.
17:33:01 <aeperezt> sesivany, so what is famsco recommendation?
17:33:03 <rbergeron> and would prefer to see those go on, and in a place where we can continue to draw people / get best bang for the buck.
17:33:19 <sesivany> rbergeron: the problem with fudcon apac is that we don't have any bids :/
17:33:40 <sesivany> rbergeron: so I thought we could help them a bit, we have several large offices in APAC.
17:34:44 <tuanta> in fact, we have one from Indonesia team, but they have withdrawn just few weeks after their bid
17:35:09 <rbergeron> sesivany: indeed
17:36:05 <tuanta> +1 sesivany. So rbergeron: is there any opportunity to get helps from them to organize FUDCon?
17:36:07 <sesivany> rbergeron: Beijing was particularly in my mind. Their site manager will be in Brno in a few days. They places a bid last year.
17:36:52 <rbergeron> sesivany: yeah. beijing would be awesome, i think the major problem with it last time was that the organizer got stuck with other stuff in $life and ... we didn't really hear back on it
17:37:37 <rbergeron> tuanta: i'm not sure if they can - if the beijing person is there and can talk with sesivany, that's a good place to start
17:38:23 <sesivany> ok, tuanta, let's do our homeworks: you'll try to contact Gerard Braad (the community guy behind the last year's bid) and I'll talk to the site director when he gets here.
17:38:47 <tuanta> +1 sesivany
17:39:15 <tuanta> lets see
17:39:57 <sesivany> rbergeron: if it fails, we can also try to ask Pune guys. Another option could be Brisbane, but I think it's too expensive and too far away from the rest of the region.
17:40:59 <tuanta> sesivany: there is a RH office in Brisbane too?
17:41:27 <sesivany> tuanta: yes, quite large one
17:41:35 <rbergeron> tuanta: yes, but ... i think it's epensive to do things there in general, not to mention high cost to get people there
17:42:18 <tuanta> agree
17:42:28 <sesivany> ok, we can't do much about it right now, action items are done, let's move to FUDCon LATAM.
17:42:39 <aeperezt> ok
17:42:59 <sesivany> aeperezt: I slightly preferred Cusco, but I was AFAIK the only one who provided feedback.
17:43:00 <aeperezt> sesivany, so I will move to have a Famsco Recommend meeting about the location
17:43:51 <aeperezt> sesivany, if that is Famsco recomendation
17:44:03 <sesivany> aeperezt: do you want to hold a separate meeting?
17:44:22 <rbergeron> that's just what the process has been for several iterations now - and we usually like to invite the folks who have made the proposals to be there to answer questions
17:44:24 * cwickert has been sitting in front of the computer all day and needs to bail out
17:44:50 <aeperezt> sesivany, let invite them for next famsco meeting
17:44:58 <sesivany> aeperezt: ok
17:45:02 <aeperezt> ok
17:45:06 <tuanta> aeperezt: can you send a summary to FAmSCo mailing list first
17:45:28 <aeperezt> pk
17:45:32 <aeperezt> tuanta, ok
17:46:09 <sesivany> #action aeperezt to invite FUDCon LATAM bid teams to the next FAmSCo meeting
17:46:59 <sesivany> #action everyone to read the Cusco and Managua bids to make a recommendation at the next meeting
17:47:37 <aeperezt> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Cusco_2013
17:47:51 <aeperezt> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_Managua_2013
17:47:54 <herlo> ok
17:48:29 <sesivany> ok, anything else to this topic?
17:48:36 <aeperezt> not
17:48:44 <tuanta> nope
17:49:12 <sesivany> I've got one more topic...
17:49:30 <aeperezt> great
17:49:44 <sesivany> #topic Rewards for the best F18 release parties
17:50:16 <sesivany> we promised we'd give $80 to the organizing team of the best release party in each region.
17:50:41 * sesivany is checking the release party schedule...
17:51:24 <sesivany> there is no party registered in NA, so it's very easy for this region :)
17:51:41 <tuanta> :)
17:51:47 * tuanta will add this into the next APAC meeting agenda
17:51:48 <sesivany> aeperezt: all your parties are already over
17:51:57 <aeperezt> yes
17:52:29 <sesivany> so basically, if all registered parties have taken place, please make a vote for the best one.
17:53:11 <tuanta> ok
17:53:45 <sesivany> the last release party in EMEA is on March 5th. After that, we'll do it in EMEA, too.
17:54:29 <herlo> where do we vote?
17:55:01 <sesivany> IMHO release parties without event reports don't count. The rule should be "write about it or it didn't happen".
17:55:04 <aeperezt> ok
17:55:21 <tuanta> the last one in APAC is in Taiwan, it is happening tomorrow
17:55:29 <sesivany> herlo: in EMEA, we vote at regional meetings.
17:55:37 <herlo> ahh, cool
17:55:51 <herlo> I just didn't see any way to vote :)
17:56:12 <tuanta> yes, it's best to put it publicly in a regional meeting
17:56:15 <sesivany> herlo: but for NA, it's pretty simple since there has been no registered release event :)
17:56:37 <tuanta> :)
17:57:24 <herlo> aye
17:57:48 <herlo> sesivany: I just didn't know if we were all supposed to vote for them. Glad to hear it's a regional thing. :)
17:58:17 <sesivany> ok, that's all I wanted to discuss today. Do you have any other topics? If not, let's end the meeting. I'd personally appreciate earlier end today.
17:58:29 <aeperezt> thanks
17:58:37 <tuanta> it's in time today :)
17:58:52 * tuanta just enough today
17:59:08 <sesivany> #topic Openfloor
17:59:24 <sesivany> just for a few minutes if someone comes to your mind.
17:59:31 <sesivany> otherwise I'll end the meeting.
18:00:38 <sesivany> #endmeeting